ausboy96

ausboy96

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I know if not done correctly (ie no antienemics taken) it can be painful in the stomach and head and can cause vomiting, but do we have any idea how it feels if antienemics and antiacids are taken correctly prior to SN comsumption?

Just asking because it's my planned method and I'd like a rough idea.
 
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Smilla

Smilla

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Did you watch the PN Exit video about this?

Seems like headache is the most commonly cited side effect, at least as he discusses.

I don't think the pain will be unbearable since it's now considered a humane way to kill feral populations of wild animals.
 
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Shewaitsforme

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https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/eden2k-update-taken-sn.8577
 
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Virgo

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That's without antienemics and antiacids though, I know how that goes.
Yeah, if done properly you will go unconscious quicker.
 
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Shewaitsforme

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That's without antienemics and antiacids though, I know how that goes.

But antienemics or antiacids are not going to say stop the feelings of breathlessness or increased heart rate, headache that sort of thing.
 
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ausboy96

ausboy96

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I wonder if it's safe to take my SN at home while my family are asleep or if it's better I be away from home. If it truly is peaceful if done right there's no reason I can't do it at home, right?
 
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Virgo

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I wonder if it's safe to take my SN at home while my family are asleep or if it's better I be away from home. If it truly is peaceful if done right there's no reason I can't do it at home, right?
You could, but I wouldn't do it anywhere they could find you or hear you.
 
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Kingkelly

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But antienemics or antiacids are not going to say stop the feelings of breathlessness or increased heart rate, headache that sort of thing.
Thats why some suggest benzos... But if you don't have any I guess your going to feel the effects full force
 
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LostGirl

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Did you watch the PN Exit video about this?

Seems like headache is the most commonly cited side effect, at least as he discusses.

I don't think the pain will be unbearable since it's now considered a humane way to kill feral populations of wild animals.


I don't think humans can be compared to feral wild animals.

"Sodium nitrite, used as a salt to preserve meat, can keep red blood cells from grabbing oxygen in live animals. Unlike people and tested domestic animals, pigs make very low levels of an enzyme that counteracts the chemical. Swine that eat enough sodium nitrite at once show symptoms akin to carbon dioxide poisoning: They become uncoordinated, lose consciousness and die."


The common symptoms from what I have read, are nausea, stomach pain, headaches and vomiting. The problem is we don't know the duration and severity of the pain and with a readily available anitdote, if we can't bear the pain and call emergency services, there is every chance to be saved with or without lasting damages.

I really don't know whether I should use this method or try CO again.
 
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Smilla

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I don't think humans can be compared to feral wild animals.

"Sodium nitrite, used as a salt to preserve meat, can keep red blood cells from grabbing oxygen in live animals. Unlike people and tested domestic animals, pigs make very low levels of an enzyme that counteracts the chemical. Swine that eat enough sodium nitrite at once show symptoms akin to carbon dioxide poisoning: They become uncoordinated, lose consciousness and die."


The common symptoms from what I have read, are nausea, stomach pain, headaches and vomiting. The problem is we don't know the duration and severity of the pain and with a readily available anitdote, if we can't bear the pain and call emergency services, there is every chance to be saved with or without lasting damages.

I really don't know whether I should use this method or try CO again.


Good information to ponder and research more but if you watch the PN video about SN and SA he discusses the "discovery" of SN as a suitable method because it was first used to control wild animal populations of dingoes and swine in AU—and yes, he mentions that you will feel "drunk" before losing consciousness which isn't necessarily a bad feeling at least for some.

I did speak to final exit network here in the states and the kind lady I spoke to mentioned SN as a possible method so it seems more than one organization is recommending it if N or N2 (two of the "proven" peaceful methods) is not available or suitable.
 
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Kingkelly

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Good information to ponder and research more.

I did speak to final exit network here in the states and the kind lady I spoke to mentioned SN as a possible method so it seems more than one organization is recommending it if N or N2 (two of the "proven" peaceful methods is not available or suitable.
Really someone mentioned it in the states? Thats good news. What is n2?
 
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Smilla

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Really someone mentioned it in the states? Thats good news. What is n2?
Yes. Nitrogen gas, my method. Inert gas with the exit bag.
 
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LostGirl

LostGirl

My time has come
Dec 3, 2018
185
Good information to ponder and research more.

I did speak to final exit network here in the states and the kind lady I spoke to mentioned SN as a possible method so it seems more than one organization is recommending it if N or N2 (two of the "proven" peaceful methods is not available or suitable.

That's great info. Thanks. To be honest, I do not have complete faith in Nitschke. Does the Final Exit Network in the States cater for people suffering from mental pain?
 
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Smilla

Smilla

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That's great info. Thanks. To be honest, I do not have complete faith in Nitschke. Does the Final Exit Network in the States cater for people suffering from mental pain?

Final Exit Network does offer services (guides) for those who are suffering from a medical illness thats not necessarily terminal—such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's etc.

Sadly, "mental illness" like depression is ruled out for legal reasons (although they are already teetering on the brink of legality with the services they offer), so when I called they would not offer me a guide but the lady was kind and willing to at least talk to me and offer a few tips for my method and she mentioned SN if for some reason I fail with the exit bag.
 
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LostGirl

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Final Exit Network does offer services (guides) for those who are suffering from a medical illness thats not necessarily terminal—such as multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's etc.

Sadly, "mental illness" like depression is ruled out for legal reasons (although they are already teetering on the brink of legality with the services they offer), so when I called they would not offer me a guide but the lady was kind and willing to at least talk to me and offer a few tips for my method and she mentioned SN if for some reason I fail with the exit bag.

That's a shame but thanks for the info nonetheless. So they would offer advice over the phone even to non-members?
 
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Smilla

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That's a shame but thanks for the info nonetheless. So they would offer advice over the phone even to non-members?

They did for me, and I was grateful.
 
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Justanotherconsumer

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974
Of the live blogs with meto and acid reducer, feeling hot, increased heartbeat, drowsy, relaxed, all seemed to have lost consciousness within 10 minutes.
 
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Kingkelly

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Of the live blogs with meto and acid reducer, feeling hot, increased heartbeat, drowsy, relaxed, all seemed to have lost consciousness within 10 minutes.
So they ctb then? I'm assuming if they lost consciousness. What live blogs?
 
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Jul 9, 2018
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So they ctb then? I'm assuming if they lost consciousness. What live blogs?

In the shoutbox, @Wantingpeace @Geesuicide, and in threads @Lunar , yes they ctb. All used metocloprimide (meto) and tagamet or zantac (peacefully).

There are also a couple who bloged but without meto and acid reducer, and we're unsuccessful, were rescued ect.
 
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Kingkelly

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In the shoutbox, @Wantingpeace @Geesuicide, and in threads @Lunar , yes they ctb. All used metocloprimide (meto) and tagamet or zantac (peacefully).

There are also a couple who bloged but without meto and acid reducer, and we're unsuccessful, were rescued ect.
Rip to them all I hope they find peace. I am unfamiliar with shoutbox. But I dont have anti acids will it still work?
 
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Justanotherconsumer

Justanotherconsumer

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Jul 9, 2018
974
Rip to them all I hope they find peace. I am unfamiliar with shoutbox. But I dont have anti acids will it still work?

The antacids tagamet or zantac are like $4 at any drugstore. Why go without them? It's one of the most important aspects of the method, 800mg. Tagamet or 300mg zantac. 1 hour prior to taking sn.
 
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Justanotherconsumer

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974
Shoutbox is in the menu tab upper left hand side (chat) at the bottom..
 
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Johnnythefox

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Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
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I don't think humans can be compared to feral wild animals.

"Sodium nitrite, used as a salt to preserve meat, can keep red blood cells from grabbing oxygen in live animals. Unlike people and tested domestic animals, pigs make very low levels of an enzyme that counteracts the chemical. Swine that eat enough sodium nitrite at once show symptoms akin to carbon dioxide poisoning: They become uncoordinated, lose consciousness and die."


The common symptoms from what I have read, are nausea, stomach pain, headaches and vomiting. The problem is we don't know the duration and severity of the pain and with a readily available anitdote, if we can't bear the pain and call emergency services, there is every chance to be saved with or without lasting damages.

I really don't know whether I should use this method or try CO again.
I'm considering this method and said to someone about the risk of panic and seeking help, thanks for confirming.
 
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Arak

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Sep 21, 2018
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I don't think humans can be compared to feral wild animals.

"Sodium nitrite, used as a salt to preserve meat, can keep red blood cells from grabbing oxygen in live animals. Unlike people and tested domestic animals, pigs make very low levels of an enzyme that counteracts the chemical. Swine that eat enough sodium nitrite at once show symptoms akin to carbon dioxide poisoning: They become uncoordinated, lose consciousness and die."


The common symptoms from what I have read, are nausea, stomach pain, headaches and vomiting. The problem is we don't know the duration and severity of the pain and with a readily available anitdote, if we can't bear the pain and call emergency services, there is every chance to be saved with or without lasting damages.

I really don't know whether I should use this method or try CO again.

A good post. I was looking around a bit, and will look a bit more. A book I could only access as ´google books´ and since i´m not going to give you my URL I´ll do it this way: book ´Principles of Animal Extrapolation´ (1991) table 7-4 spontaneous methemoglobin reductase pigs 0.09 compared to humans (1) Some animals like cats and sheep have a higher number than humans. Nitschke is a pig ?

But compared on reports my guess is that at a dose of 15 gr when correctly executed and without seeking for help the odds of dying are higher than 50 %.
 
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littlelady774

littlelady774

running on empty
Dec 20, 2018
708
Does anyone know if there is a feeling of air hunger with this method?
I think I read somewhere that methemoglobin is unable to carry oxygen...
But I also read it's unable to carry carbon dioxide as well. (So maybe the carbon dioxide would be unable to reach the lungs for exhalation?)
Correct me if I'm wrong
 
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WayOut

WayOut

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Oct 26, 2018
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No-one should use this method. Seriously. PN first publicized it over 12 months ago, and it turned out to be nothing more than a way to create new interest in the PPeH. Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.

Again, he doesn't know that it is even slightly peaceful. Evidence suggests the opposite. He is in dreamland, imagining he has found the perfect "Pill of Drion" that is peaceful, cheap, effective and easy to get. It isn't that peaceful pill at all.

Does anyone know if there is a feeling of air hunger with this method?
I think I read somewhere that methemoglobin is unable to carry oxygen...
But I also read it's unable to carry carbon dioxide as well. (So maybe the carbon dioxide would be unable to reach the lungs for exhalation?)
Correct me if I'm wrong
No, no air hunger. That is only triggered by a rise in CO2 when breathing, not a lack of oxygen carried by the blood.

A couple of other things.

PH incorrectly says that because the mechanism of death is interference of the blood's ability to carry oxygen, that the death is hypoxic. Hypoxia is euphoric - ask any pilot, it's part of their basic training. I have had this training. Hypoxia only comes from lack of oxygen in the air through the mechanism of breathing.

Interference of the haemoglobin's ability to carry oxygen (SN does this as it "hijacks" the red blood cells) does not result in hypoxia. LostGirl summed it up well in her post:

I don't think humans can be compared to feral wild animals.

"Sodium nitrite, used as a salt to preserve meat, can keep red blood cells from grabbing oxygen in live animals. Unlike people and tested domestic animals, pigs make very low levels of an enzyme that counteracts the chemical. Swine that eat enough sodium nitrite at once show symptoms akin to carbon dioxide poisoning: They become uncoordinated, lose consciousness and die."


The common symptoms from what I have read, are nausea, stomach pain, headaches and vomiting. The problem is we don't know the duration and severity of the pain and with a readily available anitdote, if we can't bear the pain and call emergency services, there is every chance to be saved with or without lasting damages.

I really don't know whether I should use this method or try CO again.

PN's evidence of peacefulness was originally the observation that the pigs "died quietly". He now has got a report from 1 or 2 human deaths, that the person "died quietly". This in no way means peacefulness, as he tries to suggest. It is possible, and even likely, that the pig and the person became incapacitated prior to death. The symptoms described in LostGirl's post are real.

The entire SN fallacy started in the Netherlands, with great controversy just over a year ago. PN jumped on the bandwagon, and has been flogging it ever since.

It is the most appalling thing that has happened in the entire history of the RTD movement. Please, people, don't use this method if a peaceful death is what you want. You only get one death. Why fuck it up with pain?

One more thought.

I wonder if it's safe to take my SN at home while my family are asleep or if it's better I be away from home. If it truly is peaceful if done right there's no reason I can't do it at home, right?
Your body will be cured. It will be brown. This is a fact, it's how the mechanism of death occurs. Are you ok with your family finding you like that?
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
No-one should use this method.
I'm going to disagree with you on this, I'm sure the majority of methods are as equally grim. Unless you are prepared to provide people with N at no cost to themselves, then people have a right to choose what they consider to be best for them.
 
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