Do we have much of an idea of how sn feels once taken?

[throwaway_2620]

I agree with Johnnythefox. SN is how I'm going to ctb. I just hope getting fucked up on Diazepam and vodka helps make the death more peaceful because that's what I plan to do.

 

[Anima]

No-one should use this method. Seriously. PN first publicized it over 12 months ago, and it turned out to be nothing more than a way to create new interest in the PPeH. Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.

Again, he doesn't know that it is even slightly peaceful. Evidence suggests the opposite. He is in dreamland, imagining he has found the perfect "Pill of Drion" that is peaceful, cheap, effective and easy to get. It isn't that peaceful pill at all.


No, no air hunger. That is only triggered by a rise in CO2 when breathing, not a lack of oxygen carried by the blood.

A couple of other things.

PH incorrectly says that because the mechanism of death is interference of the blood's ability to carry oxygen, that the death is hypoxic. Hypoxia is euphoric - ask any pilot, it's part of their basic training. I have had this training. Hypoxia only comes from lack of oxygen in the air through the mechanism of breathing.

Interference of the haemoglobin's ability to carry oxygen (SN does this as it "hijacks" the red blood cells) does not result in hypoxia. LostGirl summed it up well in her post:



PN's evidence of peacefulness was originally the observation that the pigs "died quietly". He now has got a report from 1 or 2 human deaths, that the person "died quietly". This in no way means peacefulness, as he tries to suggest. It is possible, and even likely, that the pig and the person became incapacitated prior to death. The symptoms described in LostGirl's post are real.

The entire SN fallacy started in the Netherlands, with great controversy just over a year ago. PN jumped on the bandwagon, and has been flogging it ever since.

It is the most appalling thing that has happened in the entire history of the RTD movement. Please, people, don't use this method if a peaceful death is what you want. You only get one death. Why fuck it up with pain?

One more thought.


Your body will be cured. It will be brown. This is a fact, it's how the mechanism of death occurs. Are you ok with your family finding you like that?

Thank you so much for the explanation. I was considering using SN instead of the amitriptyline cocktail, but reading this now makes me reconsider.

 

[WayOut]

I'm going to disagree with you on this, I'm sure the majority of methods are as equally grim. Unless you are prepared to provide people with N at no cost to themselves, then people have a right to choose what they consider to be best for them.

I completely agree with you on this. I don't understand where you think I said people didn't have the right to choose their method. I simply posted to give people better information than they get from someone who has a profit motive. I also made the request (from a personal perspective, admittedly) that people who are hoping for a peaceful death don't pick this method. It does worry me that people take every utterance from PN as gospel on this subject. All I try to do it to give people another perspective to consider. There are a lot of young people on this forum. I care.

 

[Ntothed]

No-one should use this method. Seriously. PN first publicized it over 12 months ago, and it turned out to be nothing more than a way to create new interest in the PPeH. Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.

Again, he doesn't know that it is even slightly peaceful. Evidence suggests the opposite. He is in dreamland, imagining he has found the perfect "Pill of Drion" that is peaceful, cheap, effective and easy to get. It isn't that peaceful pill at all.


No, no air hunger. That is only triggered by a rise in CO2 when breathing, not a lack of oxygen carried by the blood.

A couple of other things.

PH incorrectly says that because the mechanism of death is interference of the blood's ability to carry oxygen, that the death is hypoxic. Hypoxia is euphoric - ask any pilot, it's part of their basic training. I have had this training. Hypoxia only comes from lack of oxygen in the air through the mechanism of breathing.

Interference of the haemoglobin's ability to carry oxygen (SN does this as it "hijacks" the red blood cells) does not result in hypoxia. LostGirl summed it up well in her post:



PN's evidence of peacefulness was originally the observation that the pigs "died quietly". He now has got a report from 1 or 2 human deaths, that the person "died quietly". This in no way means peacefulness, as he tries to suggest. It is possible, and even likely, that the pig and the person became incapacitated prior to death. The symptoms described in LostGirl's post are real.

The entire SN fallacy started in the Netherlands, with great controversy just over a year ago. PN jumped on the bandwagon, and has been flogging it ever since.

It is the most appalling thing that has happened in the entire history of the RTD movement. Please, people, don't use this method if a peaceful death is what you want. You only get one death. Why fuck it up with pain?

One more thought.


Your body will be cured. It will be brown. This is a fact, it's how the mechanism of death occurs. Are you ok with your family finding you like that?

Then according to you, what is the best way for a peaceful exit ? N?

 

[WayOut]

Then according to you, what is the best way for a peaceful exit ? N?

I can't say. Peaceful means different things to different people. All I can say is that if peaceful means gentle and pain free, then SN is not the way.

Thank you so much for the explanation. I was considering using SN instead of the amitriptyline cocktail, but reading this now makes me reconsider.

You're very welcome, Anima.

 

[\Quail\]

All I can say is that if peaceful means gentle and pain free, then SN is not the way.

It is pain free if you take the recommended dose of anti-emetics before you do it. I'll also be swallowing a handful of Valium pills to knock me out just in case. However, killing yourself where your family can find you is grim due to the discoloration of your body and I recommend against it.

 

[littlelady774]

Thanks for your input @WayOut , I really appreciate it and love to hear other perspectives. I'm a little skeptical of Philip Nitschke sometimes.. He seems to just be guessing without knowing for sure.
I was planning to use SN and was reading testimonies of people who have actually had Methemoglobinemia and what they felt.

I was thinking it would be similar to carbon monoxide poisoning, yes? I mean CO poisoning isn't the most pleasant- you get headaches and bad nausea- then in high concentrations you might convulse. But all in all, it is pretty manageable.
What do you think? Or would it be much different?

 

[Arak]

@LostGirl

'Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.' Do you have a source for that ? I mean, did he ask on the Exit forums ?

[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/[/URL]

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia[/URL]

'Symptoms and signs of early hypercapnia include flushed skin, full [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse'][U]pulse[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachypnea'][U]tachypnea[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyspnea'][U]dyspnea[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premature_ventricular_contraction'][U]extrasystoles[/U][/URL], muscle twitches, hand flaps ([URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterixis'][U]asterixis[/U][/URL]), reduced neural activity, and possibly raised [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_pressure'][U]blood pressure[/U][/URL]. According to other sources, symptoms of mild hypercapnia might include headache, confusion and lethargy. Hypercapnia can induce increased cardiac output, an elevation in arterial blood pressure, and a propensity toward [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhythmias'][U]arrhythmias[/U][/URL].[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#cite_note-Stapczynski-4'][U][4][/U][/URL][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#cite_note-Morgan_et_al-5'][U][5][/U][/URL] Hypercapnia may increase pulmonary capillary resistance.[[I][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed'][U]citation needed[/U][/URL][/I]] In severe hypercapnia (generally PaCO2 greater than 10 [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_(unit)'][U]kPa[/U][/URL] or 75 [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_of_mercury'][U]mmHg[/U][/URL]), symptomatology progresses to disorientation, [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic'][U]panic[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperventilation'][U]hyperventilation[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convulsions'][U]convulsions[/U][/URL], [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciousness'][U]unconsciousness[/U][/URL], and eventually [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death'][U]death[/U][/URL].[URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#cite_note-Lambertson_1971-6'][U][6][/U][/URL][URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#cite_note-Glatte_et_al_1967-7'][U][7][/U]'[/URL]

Any chance of gasping for air ?

Per [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/[/URL]
'
[SIZE=3][B]CO2 toxicity in humans [/B][/SIZE]
Carbon dioxide at low concentration has little, if any, toxicological effects. At higher concentrations (>5%), it causes the development of hypercapnia and respiratory acidosis. Severe acidosis increases the effects of parasympathetic nervous activity, possibly by interfering the hydrolysis of acetylcholine by acetylcholinesterase, resulting in a depression of the respiration and the circulation [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR6'][U]6[/U][/URL]]. Concentrations of more than 10% carbon dioxide may cause convulsions, coma, and death [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR1'][U]1[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR15'][U]15[/U][/URL]]. CO2 levels of more than 30% act rapidly leading to loss of consciousness in seconds. This would explain why victims of accidental intoxications often do not act to resolve the situation (open a door, etc.) [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR7'][U]7[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR10'][U]10[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR16'][U]16[/U][/URL]].'

'Studies have shown a wide variability of CO2 tolerance. Blood concentrations ranged between at least 0.055 and 0.085 atm. (41.8–64.6 mmHg) among subjects with symptoms, suggesting that a safe CO2 exposure level cannot be characterized by a single value [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR10'][U]10[/U][/URL]]. Concentrations of fatal cases of carbon dioxide vary between 14.1 and 26% CO2 and an accompanying O2 level between 4.2 and 25% [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR1'][U]1[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR8'][U]8[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR11'][U]11[/U][/URL]]. It was also determined that CO2 tolerance decreases with age ([I]p[/I] < 0.0001) and suggested that smokers might have more tolerance due to habituation of higher CO2 levels in cigarette smoke [[URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR10'][U]10[/U][/URL], [URL='https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5380556/#CR16'][U]16[/U][/URL]].'

Feedback ?

Note: @LostGirl 's experience seemed positive, except for the discovery.

 

[littlelady774]

https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

Nitschke encouraging people who use inorganic salts to record their death.

 

[WayOut]

Do you have a source for that ? I mean, did he ask on the Exit forums ?

Yes, he asked on his videos, which were posted on the Exit forums and on his FB page. I don't make a habit of misquoting people.

Edit:

https://mobile.twitter.com/philipnitschke/status/1076449028819300352

Nitschke encouraging people using inorganic salts to record their death.

Thanks for that!

 

[Arak]

@WayOut ,

What a creep !

 

[meowcat]

No-one should use this method. Seriously. PN first publicized it over 12 months ago, and it turned out to be nothing more than a way to create new interest in the PPeH. Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.

Again, he doesn't know that it is even slightly peaceful. Evidence suggests the opposite. He is in dreamland, imagining he has found the perfect "Pill of Drion" that is peaceful, cheap, effective and easy to get. It isn't that peaceful pill at all.


No, no air hunger. That is only triggered by a rise in CO2 when breathing, not a lack of oxygen carried by the blood.

A couple of other things.

PH incorrectly says that because the mechanism of death is interference of the blood's ability to carry oxygen, that the death is hypoxic. Hypoxia is euphoric - ask any pilot, it's part of their basic training. I have had this training. Hypoxia only comes from lack of oxygen in the air through the mechanism of breathing.

Interference of the haemoglobin's ability to carry oxygen (SN does this as it "hijacks" the red blood cells) does not result in hypoxia. LostGirl summed it up well in her post:



PN's evidence of peacefulness was originally the observation that the pigs "died quietly". He now has got a report from 1 or 2 human deaths, that the person "died quietly". This in no way means peacefulness, as he tries to suggest. It is possible, and even likely, that the pig and the person became incapacitated prior to death. The symptoms described in LostGirl's post are real.

The entire SN fallacy started in the Netherlands, with great controversy just over a year ago. PN jumped on the bandwagon, and has been flogging it ever since.

It is the most appalling thing that has happened in the entire history of the RTD movement. Please, people, don't use this method if a peaceful death is what you want. You only get one death. Why fuck it up with pain?

One more thought.


Your body will be cured. It will be brown. This is a fact, it's how the mechanism of death occurs. Are you ok with your family finding you like that?

I don't trust PN fully either.Too many inconsistencies,probably motivated for profit.
Thank you for enlightening us.
I was considering this method but now will not try it.

 

[littlelady774]

In all seriousness though, wouldn't the symptoms of this method be akin carbon monoxide poisoning?

 

[WayOut]

In all seriousness though, wouldn't the symptoms of this method be akin carbon monoxide poisoning?

No.

 

[About_to_Go]

I'm not sure what to make of the SN method. It seems that some users have gone out peacefully with the proper anti-emetics/acid reducers such as Geesuicide, Wantingpeace, and Lunaemoth. On the other hand, some users are rightfully skeptical of the method.

Personally, I have 1,4 Butanediol on hand but I don't feel confident in that either, especially when the user who brought it to our attention decided to ctb with a different method (no disrespect intended, rip 311).

 

[21Neberg]

I'm not sure what to make of the SN method. It seems that some users have gone out peacefully with the proper anti-emetics/acid reducers such as Geesuicide, Wantingpeace, and Lunaemoth. On the other hand, some users are rightfully skeptical of the method.

Personally, I have 1,4 Butanediol on hand but I don't feel confident in that either, especially when the user who brought it to our attention decided to ctb with a different method (no disrespect intended, rip 311).

I understand your concern, but to me SN really is the best way to go out and I wish I had I had it right now. It really doesn't get much simpler than taking antiematics, then the SN and then just watch netflix until you pass out.

 

[WayOut]

It seems that some users have gone out peacefully with the proper anti-emetics/acid reducers

And you know this for sure how exactly?

 

[About_to_Go]

And you know this for sure how exactly?

They all live-blogged it in chat. I wasn't personally in the chat for Geesuicide and Wantingpeace's passings but they were confirmed later. I was in the chat when Lunaemoth attempted. Obviously, we don't know how peaceful it was after they stopped messaging. However, @LostGirl seemed to have a peaceful attempt until it was interrupted.

 

[Chinaski]

And you know this for sure how exactly?

In fairness there have been a couple of confirmed (externally, not just gossip) ctbs via SN on this site. At least one, anyway. The problem l have is the info on how it works, how peaceful it is, is not clear and is open completely to interpretation. As a method of ctb I'm certain it works if done correctly, but that applies to literally every method tbh.

 

[WayOut]

They all live-blogged it in chat. I wasn't personally in the chat for Geesuicide and Wantingpeace's passings but they were confirmed later. I was in the chat when Lunaemoth attempted. Obviously, we don't know how peaceful it was after they stopped messaging. However, @LostGirl seemed to have a peaceful attempt until it was interrupted.

Seriously? This is your evidence?

As a method of ctb I'm certain it works if done correctly, but that applies to literally every method tbh.

Yes, it works. Cures you like bacon in the process. However, that's not what the question is here.

There is no reliable way of using any alleged attempts through someone posting that they feel fine. They would likely become incapacitated and cognitively impaired prior to death.

 

[Chinaski]

Obviously, we don't know how peaceful it was after they stopped messaging.

This is the crucial point here, and it appears that PN is similarly curious and uncertain about this, which is a good enough reason to swerve it as a method imo.

 

[About_to_Go]

Seriously? This is your evidence?

Evidence? I haven't made a claim, nor am I shilling a method. I'm discussing what has happened on the forum.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I'm not sure what to make of the SN method. It seems that some users have gone out peacefully with the proper anti-emetics/acid reducers such as Geesuicide, Wantingpeace, and Lunaemoth. On the other hand, some users are rightfully skeptical of the method.

Personally, I have 1,4 Butanediol on hand but I don't feel confident in that either, especially when the user who brought it to our attention decided to ctb with a different method (no disrespect intended, rip 311).

You can also add @Eden2k to that list.

 

[WayOut]

Evidence? I haven't made a claim, nor am I shilling a method. I'm discussing what has happened on the forum.

You don't know anything about what's really happening just because someone posts. Or, do you really believe that every post is genuine? If so, sadly, you are completely gullible and have lost all connection with reality.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Promoting anything without good data and results seems to be the norm today. Thats why the drug route is out for me. Too many variables involved. That's why I still come back to a shotgun, a rope, and CO.

 

[About_to_Go]

You don't know anything about what's really happening just because someone posts. Or, do you really believe that every post is genuine? If so, sadly, you are completely gullible and have lost all connection with reality.

That's a good point. We should always be aware that not everyone on here has good intentions.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

It seems really unreliable, drawn out and probably painful unfortunately.

 

[Chinaski]

You can also add @Eden2k to that list.

Again though, this only proves the method works, but doesn't give info as to how. I really do hope it was as peaceful as possible for those who've used it.

 

[Johnnythefox]

When all is said and done, the reality for the majority of people is either what they can afford or what they are most comfortable with. I suppose you could argue against many methods as I'm sure each has its own drawbacks. Personally I would buy N, but there is no guarantee of receiving it.
[URL="https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/an-article-on-sn.9653/#post-170270"]An Article on SN[/URL]

 

[creationisdeath]

No-one should use this method. Seriously. PN first publicized it over 12 months ago, and it turned out to be nothing more than a way to create new interest in the PPeH. Even now, he is asking people to videotape their death by SN and send it to Exit. These people are guinea pigs for Exit. Nothing more.

Again, he doesn't know that it is even slightly peaceful. Evidence suggests the opposite. He is in dreamland, imagining he has found the perfect "Pill of Drion" that is peaceful, cheap, effective and easy to get. It isn't that peaceful pill at all.


No, no air hunger. That is only triggered by a rise in CO2 when breathing, not a lack of oxygen carried by the blood.

A couple of other things.

PH incorrectly says that because the mechanism of death is interference of the blood's ability to carry oxygen, that the death is hypoxic. Hypoxia is euphoric - ask any pilot, it's part of their basic training. I have had this training. Hypoxia only comes from lack of oxygen in the air through the mechanism of breathing.

Interference of the haemoglobin's ability to carry oxygen (SN does this as it "hijacks" the red blood cells) does not result in hypoxia. LostGirl summed it up well in her post:



PN's evidence of peacefulness was originally the observation that the pigs "died quietly". He now has got a report from 1 or 2 human deaths, that the person "died quietly". This in no way means peacefulness, as he tries to suggest. It is possible, and even likely, that the pig and the person became incapacitated prior to death. The symptoms described in LostGirl's post are real.

The entire SN fallacy started in the Netherlands, with great controversy just over a year ago. PN jumped on the bandwagon, and has been flogging it ever since.

It is the most appalling thing that has happened in the entire history of the RTD movement. Please, people, don't use this method if a peaceful death is what you want. You only get one death. Why fuck it up with pain?

One more thought.


Your body will be cured. It will be brown. This is a fact, it's how the mechanism of death occurs. Are you ok with your family finding you like that?

I HATE reading this.. but thank you. God damn it I thought this was legit.........