Do we have much of an idea of how sn feels once taken?

[Arak]

@WayOut ,

'Hypoxia caused by lack of oxygen in the air is not the same as hypoxic death caused by ingestion of a substance that hijacks the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen. Why the fuck are you trying to tell vulnerable people on this forum that it is?'

Is there any clear evidence about the prinicple of hijacking the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen, as in consequences and subjective experiences ? I think Nitschke's ideas revolve around the principle of a quick loss of consciousness, and a quick death. I know what sources say about methemoglobinemia as such.

 

[WayOut]

@WayOut ,

'Hypoxia caused by lack of oxygen in the air is not the same as hypoxic death caused by ingestion of a substance that hijacks the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen. Why the fuck are you trying to tell vulnerable people on this forum that it is?'

Is there any clear evidence about the prinicple of hijacking the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen, as in consequences and subjective experiences ? I think Nitschke's ideas revolve around the principle of a quick loss of consciousness, and a quick death. I know what sources say about methemoglobinemia as such.

Unfortunately, PN has yet to submit a dissertation on that exact question, for a peer reviewed hypothesis that he has (we can only assume) rigorously tested. We assume he has tested it, of course, because he is selling the method in the PPeH, and this new "Pill of Drion" he "discovered" has netted him many millions in sales since he announced it.

Selling points of this method, according to PN: Cheap, easily accessible, legal, effective, and most importantly, peaceful.

In relation to your question, Arak, do your own research putting in the relevant keywords. A tip - put "scholarly articles" in the search parameters, and you will get the latest research.

 

[Arak]

@WayOut ,

There is no way of telling what you will really experience. A lot depends on how quickly you lose consciousness. @LostGirl's reports seemed positive, but she/he has been banned for a reason so no reliable source. One could even suggest Nitschke has been trying to 'sell' his method on this website ...

I think that Nitschke should try this method for himself ... have it recorded, when he loses consciousness someone can give him methylene blue and whatever else is needed to rescue him. That's the proper, old fashioned way: try it yourself before recommending it. Relatively safe for him, as long as it's done professionally. He may have to live with a tan ...

 

[Chinaski]

@WayOut ,

There is no way of telling what you will really experience. A lot depends on how quickly you lose consciousness. @LostGirl's reports seemed positive, but she/he has been banned for a reason so no reliable source. One could even suggest Nitschke has been trying to 'sell' his method on this website ...

I think that Nitschke should try this method for himself ... have it recorded, when he loses consciousness someone can give him methylene ble and whatever else is needed to rescue him. That's the proper, old fashioned way: try it yourself before recommending it. Relatively safe for him, as long as it's doen professionally. He may have to live with a tan ,,,

I doubt PN has gone quite that far; after all, he doesn't need to sell the PPH here, it's freely available. What has happened is that PN has pushed an alternative to N as the brand new, hot off the press method way too early in order to flog the book, with the "ongoing research" caveat to justify subscriptions to updates, then come out and asked for evidence of peaceful non-porcine deaths. This suggests that not all in the PPH is to be taken as accurate regarding this method as he's clearly pitched it with great confidence before doing the required research, and there is therefore enough of a margin for error to dissuade me, and many others, from using it.

I've no doubt it works, btw; that's not the issue at all. Every method technically 'works', but there's zero evidence that this is as peaceful as the PPH states, barring experiments with pigs.

 

[Arak]

Someone should respond to his tweet in which he calls for vids to try it himself ... have aid with methylene blue on standby. I'm not on Twitter.

That's the proper way for him to do research ! I think someone should call him out !

@Chinaski , there is no guarantee that 15 gr will always be lethal. Lots of variables, including the 'rescue' factor. Thing is, we all die in the end without help (food, water, medicine, disease, heat etc) from our fellow human beings.

 

[Johnnythefox]

@WayOut ,

There is no way of telling what you will really experience. A lot depends on how quickly you lose consciousness. @LostGirl's reports seemed positive, but she/he has been banned for a reason so no reliable source. One could even suggest Nitschke has been trying to 'sell' his method on this website ...

I think that Nitschke should try this method for himself ... have it recorded, when he loses consciousness someone can give him methylene blue and whatever else is needed to rescue him. That's the proper, old fashioned way: try it yourself before recommending it. Relatively safe for him, as long as it's done professionally. He may have to live with a tan ...

I don't think @LostGirl is the most reliable source, I would recommend @Eden2k she successfully CTB with the second attempt with SN and is verified.

 

[Arak]

@Johnnythefox ,

You're likely right about her, but we don't know what she experienced.

 

[Chinaski]

@Johnnythefox ,

You're likely right about her, but we don't know what she experienced.

Exactly. We don't know what any of them experienced, to list a roll call of folk who successfully ctb via SN is to miss the point.

And @Arak, if l was to reply to PN's tweet, it would probably not be to his liking.

 

[Arak]

@Chinaski , 'And @Arak, if l was to reply to PN's tweet, it would probably not be to his liking.' That wouldn't bother me in the least !

 

[Johnnythefox]

@Chinaski , 'And @Arak, if l was to reply to PN's tweet, it would probably not be to his liking.' That wouldn't bother me in the least !

Go on twitter and press him for an answer.

 

[Pulmonicis]

But there is more people, who claimed to CTB with this method. For instance Lunaemoth, rxrx1887 (whatever the numbers are) whilst giving us updates in chat. Of course, you can never know if they were genuine or not. And they "died" pretty quickly. Of course, it is not painless. Since you'r forced to experience headache, speedracing hearbeats, arrhythmia, tachycardia, drowsiness and possible convulsions ( from A-e mostly ). Does that sounds peacefull? Absolutely not. Painfull? Can't say. Never tried it.

You guys shed some darkness into my chosen method. But when it comes to make the decision, I can't think of a better one. Just have to commit 100% and be in a ready - steady mind state, because changing phase of your body internals can drive you crazy if you do not know what to expect. In the end, it all comes to the same thing; sacrifice for a better "tommorow".

 

[Chinaski]

But there is more people, who claimed to CTB with this method. For instance Lunaemoth, rxrx1887 (whatever the numbers are) whilst giving us updates in chat. Of course, you can never know if they were genuine or not. And they "died" pretty quickly. Of course, it is not painless. Since you'r forced to experience headache, speedracing hearbeats, arrhythmia, tachycardia, drowsiness and possible convulsions ( from A-e mostly ). Does that sounds peacefull? Absolutely not. Painfull? Can't say. Never tried it.

You guys shed some darkness into my chosen method. But when it comes to make the decision, I can't think of a better one. Just have to commit 100% and be in a ready - steady mind state, because changing phase of your body internals can drive you crazy if you do not know what to expect. In the end, it all comes to the same thing; sacrifice for a better "tommorow".

In fairness, the SN discussion is a lengthy one and the megathread is evidence of its divisiveness as a method, tbh l certainly only speak personally of my feelings about it as a method without wishing to dissuade anyone from it. There are lots of methods l wouldn't use for whatever reason, SN is one of them, that doesn't mean others shouldn't use them if they wish.

What is clear though is that the PPH is enthusing over its peacefulness without real evidence, and it appears PN is now seeking to address that now when perhaps he should have been a bit more careful with his PPH entry. I'm not saying it is not a peaceful method, I'm just saying there's no way of knowing this and the only word we have on it is from the PPH, which of late has been a sloppy, dog-eared piece of phoned in, typo-strewn homework. If you still find yourself okay with it, that's fair - some people find hanging too terrifying, others find themselves comfortable with it. Each to their own and l guess nobody will know for certain until they try, but l certainly will not be trying SN on the word of PN.

What l will also say is that ctbs as presented on this site should never be used as evidence of anything, imo. I could go in chat right now and announce that I'm about to lay a golden egg.

 

[SiArc]

It seems everyone's points have been made.

Some do not advise using it for their own personal reasons and opinions.
Don't go purely off the pph. Do your own research.
Don't rely on other's supposed usages and suicides.
We do not know if it is truly peaceful.
it is effective if done right.
Don't take 15 mg as the end all be all dose. Do your research.
Some people prefer it over another method and that is their right and choice.
People will just argue for arguements sake.
Do. your. own. research.

Seems like it all pretty much covered. Can we move on?

 

[Chinaski]

Seems like it all pretty much covered. Can we move on?

Not sure why you'd pop un a thread literally entitled "Do we have much of an idea how SN feels once taken" to suggest people, uh, "move on" from discussing how SN may feel once taken. I mean, you could always avoid the thread rather than leap in with weird backseat modding.

 

[SiArc]

Not sure why you'd pop un a thread literally entitled "Do we have much of an idea how SN feels once taken" to suggest people, uh, "move on" from discussing how SN may feel once taken. I mean, you could always avoid the thread rather than leap in with weird backseat modding.

If you noticed I didn't just randomly pop in. I posted in this thread before but you guys have moved from how it may feel to talking about the author of the pph and putting down people who want to use it. Kinda deviated from the intention of the post. That is the part you all need to move on from and get back to how it may feel. You all wanna complain about PN then create a new thread.

 

[Pulmonicis]

I'm just saying there's no way of knowing this and the only word we have on it is from the PPH, which of late has been a sloppy, dog-eared piece of phoned in, typo-strewn homework.

I do agree with this statement about PN and his latest work and yes, we do only have information about the "feeling" only from other users. And there is a dilemma we all encounter - is it true? Hard to say. Maybe your are really laying down that golden egg right now , aren't you? ^^

To the point; symptoms seems to match on every person I read about. Studies says, that reliable number of n should be atleast 30. We have like 5 reasonably detailed cases in this forum that looks, from optimistic perspective, legit. Soo, we can't clarify anything right now, at this presence. Truth still be told. I will be with you guys when my time comes as informative as I can be.

 

[Thewhowithin69]

There is plenty of research material out there for what happens (in people), medical journals, research papers, etc. (these don't tend to be free for the public, I was able to use them because of a research grant on another topic). That is why you have to do the research yourself. The information here is a good jumping off point. Don't let one person sway you one way or the other. For every method look into why it works and how it works. There is NO method that is painless. Be it psychological or physical. Don't jump on the bandwagon and go with the flow. People here are far too eager to go with something or tout against it when a person speaks loud enough or just go with word of mouth without looking things up themselves. Look at the number of the exact same threads that exist when a little search in the search bar could answer their question.

It looks like people have been using SN/SA method prior to the PPH, hell SA/SN are off shoots of sodium cyanide which was used for mass killings (bloody f'ers who forced that on people) and on themselves so they wouldn't get captured. You can use the research on similar compounds as well to see what will happen with others. It won't be exactly the same but it can give you an idea. Yes you will be discolored but there is no body that will not be discolored once you die (blood settling, time spent alone, temp where you are, pets or vermin in area, etc). By the way the blood turns brown, your body turns a light bluish grey.

Yes we don't know what happened once they stopped talking in chat, that is why the research is so important. Once you go unconscious what does it matter? Prep, plan, take precautions. Do what you can.

Your exit is up to you. It is your choice and responsibility. Don't let someone else change it for you. If you fail to prep responsibly from your own research (not just asking people questions because you are too lazy to go look it up yourself) to execution of method then that is on you.

edit:probably won't respond to many if any response to my post. I have 6 days left. Don't need to spend it debating.

No need to respond just wanted to say thanks for your real talk here. I totally agree....I hope the rest of your time is as easy as possible. Good luck and Peaceful journey to you....

 

[SiArc]

No need to respond just wanted to say thanks for your real talk here. I totally agree....I hope the rest of your time is as easy as possible. Good luck and Peaceful journey to you....

This I will definitely respond to. You are most welcome. So far so good on it going easy, I have everything in place, now I just need to follow through and let go which won't be a problem. Thank you so much for the well wishes. :)

 

[Chinaski]

If you noticed I didn't just randomly pop in. I posted in this thread before but you guys have moved from how it may feel to talking about the author of the pph and putting down people who want to use it. Kinda deviated from the intention of the post. That is the part you all need to move on from and get back to how it may feel. You all wanna complain about PN then create a new thread.

At what point have l put down anybody who wants to use it? Wtf are you on about?

Any discussion on SN will involve PN. He is the sole reason it is now a mainstream method and his info on its effects remain the standard people work from, despite there being many contradictory opinions as outlined earlier in this thread.

You are not the arbiter of how SN can be discussed and can not lay down terms of a discussion, for example "discuss SN without referring to PN, despite his influence on this method being absolutely significant to its perception as peaceful", nor can you instruct other users on here to change or cease their contributions ("move on" ffs) or output simply because you disagree with the content of their opinion. Wind your neck in.

 

[OfficerK]

The PPH would probably be rather short if an extensive clinical study on the effectiveness and peacefulness of a method was required for it to be included in the book. Considering the topic at hand, I think it unfortunately is necessary to pursue methods without having a completely satisfactory body of literature to support your writings. Of course, this is not the same as saying that anything goes - there has to be some knowledge that you're basing your conclusions on, which I think is the case with SN.

The alternative would probably be a book that only discusses nembutal, and maybe a handful of other mostly unobtainable methods (although there are uncertainties pertaining to even those methods, such as cyanide). On one hand, I can sympathize with the stance that it is better to just refrain from publishing anything if you're able to reach an acceptable degree of certainty. At the same time, I also believe that this would make it really difficult to provide people with the information that ought to be available to them.

I agree that Nitschke's post wasn't worded that well. While I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong with politely and respectfully asking people to help the cause by letting them observe their death, there are definitely more eloquent ways of putting it, and also better mediums than twitter.


Yours truly, Philip Nitschke

 

[SiArc]

At what point have l put down anybody who wants to use it? Wtf are you on about?

Any discussion on SN will involve PN. He is the sole reason it is now a mainstream method and his info on its effects remain the standard people work from, despite there being many contradictory opinions as outlined earlier in this thread.

You are not the arbiter of how SN can be discussed and can not lay down terms of a discussion, for example "discuss SN without referring to PN, despite his influence on this method being absolutely significant to its perception as peaceful", nor can you instruct other users on here to change or cease their contributions ("move on" ffs) or output simply because you disagree with the content of their opinion. Wind your neck in.

Example of someone who argues for arguements sake.

I never named names so if you think it is about you...

How about you learn to speak without insulting someone unless that is the only way you know how to talk and then I feel sympathy for you. YOU are putting out opinions about me I never said. Have a nice night.

 

[angie]

its the same with nembutal ,there is not any feed back about how people really are taking it , the info we read is all based on the dignitas results they only take 50mls , thats what videos you see on u tube are from dignitas .
but no genuine info on what its like to take the 200ml nembutal or videos of that amount . only pn advice unsure what evidencevhe basis it on that its peacefull .

 

[angie]

its the same with nembutal ,there is not any feed back about how people really are taking it , the info we read is all based on the dignitas results they only take 50mls , thats what videos you see on u tube are from dignitas .
but no genuine info on what its like to take the 200ml nembutal or videos of that amount . only pn advice unsure what evidencev he basis it on that its peacefull .

it will be a lot harder to drink 200mls than 50mls 200 is a daunting thought to try and drink especially if its as bad tasting as people say.50mls i could do in a swif gulp and deal with the awfull taste but 200ml is not just a couple of gulps ..scared i cant finish it once i start due to the amount and taste .
sooner they bring out 1 capsule lfor it the better .

 

[WayOut]

It seems everyone's points have been made.

Some do not advise using it for their own personal reasons and opinions.
Don't go purely off the pph. Do your own research.
Don't rely on other's supposed usages and suicides.
We do not know if it is truly peaceful.
it is effective if done right.
Don't take 15 mg as the end all be all dose. Do your research.
Some people prefer it over another method and that is their right and choice.
People will just argue for arguements sake.
Do. your. own. research.

Seems like it all pretty much covered. Can we move on?

Brilliant. No no, really. Very wise. I think this post should be inserted at the start of any discussion of methods on this forum. That way, 90% of the chat here will evaporate. Pfft. A decluttering miracle, in fact, the like of which has rarely been seen on any forum anywhere. Ever. Eventually this forum itself will ctb, freeing up some much needed cyberspace for more worthy chats about macrame and geraniums.

Hang on. I just remembered. This very thing happened on the Exit forum. Schoolmarms of this type shut down discussions. RIP Exit forum. Closed now.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Exactly. Classic PN observation, on which he has based his entire claim that SN is peaceful: "The pig died quietly." Considering that he did have a medical degree, these "proofs" of peacefulness are simply astonishing and unconscionable, given that he's trying to sell his new "peaceful deaths" to people, via the PPeH.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Who are you trying to convince? Yourself? Or others on this forum? And your PhD degree in biochemistry and/or medicine is from which university?

Hypoxia caused by lack of oxygen in the air is not the same as hypoxic death caused by ingestion of a substance that hijacks the red blood cell's ability to transport oxygen. Why the fuck are you trying to tell vulnerable people on this forum that it is?

You do not understand the different bio-mechanisms of hypoxia. You have no idea, not even a reasonable layman's understanding of the chemistry and biology.

Why have you appeared out of no-where, and come straight here to defend PN and his SN death for sale? You don't need to convince yourself. You're a gullible PN true believer and cult worshiper. Good for you. But you're here, on some sort of mission to convince other people. Not good. Not good at all.

Fuck off. Seriously. Fuck off. I happen to like many of the people here, and I'm getting annoyed PN has started to send his usual flag bearers to defend the indefensible. PN himself is perfectly free to register for this forum and speak for himself. I look forward to hearing from him.

What method do you recommend?

@WayOut ,

There is no way of telling what you will really experience. A lot depends on how quickly you lose consciousness. @LostGirl's reports seemed positive, but she/he has been banned for a reason so no reliable source. One could even suggest Nitschke has been trying to 'sell' his method on this website ...

I think that Nitschke should try this method for himself ... have it recorded, when he loses consciousness someone can give him methylene blue and whatever else is needed to rescue him. That's the proper, old fashioned way: try it yourself before recommending it. Relatively safe for him, as long as it's done professionally. He may have to live with a tan ...

Is the discoloration permanent?