
SmokingCivet
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- Mar 30, 2025
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Ok everyone,
This is going to be a longer read, but it is obviously important when it comes to OPSEC/Personal Security.
There are 4 Headings for this… Scroll to Skip if needed
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE DMC WELLNESS CHECKS:
-There have been 5 reports of police coming to the doors of SaSu members who have supposedly ordered from DMC
-if you want to look up their threads, members are: Spenshart, ignorableaurochs, askmeifimatree, sendmeawayalien, and avidreader49.
- These 5 members all seem to have newer accounts (Oldest acct is Jan 25, 2025)
These 5 members all have a similar story:
Also, I believe it was the BBC who literally confronted DMC on the news, plus anyone that has been through the ordering process knows his/her name wasn't too hard to find.
With all of the attention from pro-life going to SaSu lately, any outsider (including LawEnforcement[LE]) can log on and could honestly see 2-10 threads about DMC on the front page. We'd be lying to ourselves if we didnt think it'd be cause for concern for a bored LE agency to find DMC. Annnd…. DMC isn't hard to find. This is my second account on here, and when I first signed up, I found DMC in under 2 hours of searching… that was nearly 2 years ago. Anyone with a single digit IQ could have found the old DMC site.
So, Despite the red flags of newer accounts, 2 accounts having similar "formatting" to their usernames, and one very vague post about it, I'm going to veer on the side of caution and assume DMC's website was compromised. This is my opinion, however DMC seems to have tons of integrity and a good track record with the OG DMC site. It getting taken down and the wellness checks are probably correlated if it's true
WHO WAS COMPROMISED? WHO IS INVESTIGATING?
Going off of my assumption that someone or somewhere, data was compromised, there is no true way to tell who was compromised until we see media releases or official comms from Interpol/Europol/etc. I have been keeping close updates, including using translated news sites - nothing yet. DMC is still up, just under a different website.
User askmeifimatree says that the police said they got information from Interpol. Interpol works behind the scenes, and usually coordinates with national police services in regards to investigations. They'll share intelligence and share red-notices (aka BOLO/Be on the look out) in regards to suspects.
What we do know is that Interpol was closely working with NPS in the takedown of Ken Law in Canada, and this is starting to show a few similarities (started in the UK, IC being taken down before the checks started, etc). After the IC takedown, global-wide wellness checks followed. Just because they don't have "the guy/girl", doesn't mean that they don't have the site and data.
There has been suspicion that the website host that DMC was using finally gave up the info. This is entirely possible. DMC likely wasn't directly breached, however I cannot confirm if any of the orders from the new DMC site have been shipped or cleared customs… Maybe someone will reply to this letting us know.
To answer who is investigating, it sounds like UK Police are onto it, but if Interpol is connected, anyone who has ordered from DMC shouldn't be surprised if they get a police check. This includes other countries including, USA, Canada, and some countries in Europe & South America.
WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE CHECKED ON (AND BEFORE).
Beforehand: DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT SELF HARM. If you do, you risk police entering your residence with NO SEARCH WARRANT.
Unless you hire a wicked lawyer, the prosecutor/police will almost always have a leg to stand on if you mention self harm, suicide, or even suicidal ideation.
IF YOU DO have a history of mental health you can even say it didn't arrive (if it wasn't sign upon delivery, which mine wasn't)
Prepping for your wellness check:
Well, it's time to pick up a new hobby!
I'm not going to spend much time on this as @gothbird has a phenomenal thread on this.
If meat curing or photography isn't your gig, look into a couple of the following:
Making Dyes: It is a reagent for conversion of amines into diazo compounds, which are key precursors to many dyes, such as diazo dyes
Etching Steel or Copper Plates: Sodium nitrite can be used as part of a mordant or acid mix to etch metals for printmaking or engraving.
Pyrotechnics: Color Agent or Oxidizer: Though not common, it has been used in some older or specific compositions to affect burn rate or coloration. Be careful - you don't want to be under investigation for explosives.
WHEN YOU ARE CHECKED ON:
You do not have to speak without a lawyer.
But, if you decide to talk…
If asked why you bought sodium nitrite, explain your use clearly. For example:
"I bought it for curing meats at home. I know it's a controlled substance in high doses, and I've researched how to use it safely."
If you're into hobbies like photography, metal etching, or chemistry, explain that too.
This phrase is the most important: "I AM NOT IN DANGER OF HARMING MYSELF IN ANY WAY. I UNDERSTAND IF I AM IN DANGER, I CAN REACH OUT TO ([UK: NHS 111 or Samaritans 116 123] [US/Canada: 911 or 988]) OR I WILL GO TO THE HOSPITAL"
Legal Info:
ORDERING GOING FORWARD.
There are many other places that offer sodium nitrite, however they are VERY hard to find (as they should be to be honest, kids and teens shouldn't be able to find a suicide powder in under an hour)
There are no confirmed landings from the new DMC site, however as most know it is usually a 3-16 week wait time for shipping… I'm assuming DMC literally treated the site going down in mid-late march as a hiccup before moving to a new site and continuing as normal.
If anyone has anything to add or correct, please do so here :)
This is going to be a longer read, but it is obviously important when it comes to OPSEC/Personal Security.
There are 4 Headings for this… Scroll to Skip if needed
- WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE WELLNESS CHECKS
- WHO WAS COMPROMISED? WHO IS INVESTIGATING?
- WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE CHECKED ON (AND BEFORE).
- ORDERING GOING FORWARD
WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE DMC WELLNESS CHECKS:
-There have been 5 reports of police coming to the doors of SaSu members who have supposedly ordered from DMC
-if you want to look up their threads, members are: Spenshart, ignorableaurochs, askmeifimatree, sendmeawayalien, and avidreader49.
- These 5 members all seem to have newer accounts (Oldest acct is Jan 25, 2025)
These 5 members all have a similar story:
- ordered from DMC a few months ago, it even arrived
- Wellness checks likely started Thursday, April 3, and have only been reported in the UK.
- Two of the reports said that 3 to 6 police officers came to users door, two reports said there were 2 officers doing the wellness checks.
- Most noticed that the police asked neighbours and family/friends if the user had any suspicious behaviour, mental health issues, etc.
- Some users let the police search their home without a warrant. (We will go into probable cause/PC later)
Also, I believe it was the BBC who literally confronted DMC on the news, plus anyone that has been through the ordering process knows his/her name wasn't too hard to find.
With all of the attention from pro-life going to SaSu lately, any outsider (including LawEnforcement[LE]) can log on and could honestly see 2-10 threads about DMC on the front page. We'd be lying to ourselves if we didnt think it'd be cause for concern for a bored LE agency to find DMC. Annnd…. DMC isn't hard to find. This is my second account on here, and when I first signed up, I found DMC in under 2 hours of searching… that was nearly 2 years ago. Anyone with a single digit IQ could have found the old DMC site.
So, Despite the red flags of newer accounts, 2 accounts having similar "formatting" to their usernames, and one very vague post about it, I'm going to veer on the side of caution and assume DMC's website was compromised. This is my opinion, however DMC seems to have tons of integrity and a good track record with the OG DMC site. It getting taken down and the wellness checks are probably correlated if it's true
WHO WAS COMPROMISED? WHO IS INVESTIGATING?
Going off of my assumption that someone or somewhere, data was compromised, there is no true way to tell who was compromised until we see media releases or official comms from Interpol/Europol/etc. I have been keeping close updates, including using translated news sites - nothing yet. DMC is still up, just under a different website.
User askmeifimatree says that the police said they got information from Interpol. Interpol works behind the scenes, and usually coordinates with national police services in regards to investigations. They'll share intelligence and share red-notices (aka BOLO/Be on the look out) in regards to suspects.
What we do know is that Interpol was closely working with NPS in the takedown of Ken Law in Canada, and this is starting to show a few similarities (started in the UK, IC being taken down before the checks started, etc). After the IC takedown, global-wide wellness checks followed. Just because they don't have "the guy/girl", doesn't mean that they don't have the site and data.
There has been suspicion that the website host that DMC was using finally gave up the info. This is entirely possible. DMC likely wasn't directly breached, however I cannot confirm if any of the orders from the new DMC site have been shipped or cleared customs… Maybe someone will reply to this letting us know.
To answer who is investigating, it sounds like UK Police are onto it, but if Interpol is connected, anyone who has ordered from DMC shouldn't be surprised if they get a police check. This includes other countries including, USA, Canada, and some countries in Europe & South America.
WHAT TO DO IF YOU ARE CHECKED ON (AND BEFORE).
Beforehand: DO NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT SELF HARM. If you do, you risk police entering your residence with NO SEARCH WARRANT.
Unless you hire a wicked lawyer, the prosecutor/police will almost always have a leg to stand on if you mention self harm, suicide, or even suicidal ideation.
IF YOU DO have a history of mental health you can even say it didn't arrive (if it wasn't sign upon delivery, which mine wasn't)
Prepping for your wellness check:
Well, it's time to pick up a new hobby!
I'm not going to spend much time on this as @gothbird has a phenomenal thread on this.
As per @opheliaoveragain's encouragement, here are the two main "excuses" I keep ready for why I have SN, in case I ever need to explain it. They're both pretty believable and rooted in real, legal uses of the chemical.
Meat Curing
SN is a legit, common ingredient in curing meats—think bacon, ham, pancetta, sausages, etc. It's used to stop botulism, and it gives that nice pink/red cured color that meat loses when it's cooked or sits too long. It also gives that signature cured-meat flavor you get with bacon or hot dogs.
Usually, people don't use pure SN—they mix it with regular salt to make "curing salt" or "pink salt." A really common version is Prague Powder #1, which is about 6.25% SN and the rest is just salt. It's used for stuff that cures over a short time, like homemade sausages or bacon.
So if anyone ever asked, I'd just say:
To back that up, I keep a few things around like:
- A PDF copy of Charcuterie by Michael Ruhlman
- A printed curing salt recipe or a Prague Powder guide
Photography
This one's more niche, but if you're into film or darkroom work it makes sense. SN has been used in bw photography, especially older or experimental methods. It's part of something called a "reducer solution," which lets you lighten areas of an overexposed photo or bring back detail in high contrast prints. Sometimes it's used in toning or altering image tone too.
While most people don't use SN for photography anymore, some analogue and alternative process photographers still do, especially in historical methods like cyanotypes or Van Dyke prints.
If asked, I'd say:
To help explain that, it'd be useful to have:
- A film camera
- A download of The Book of Alternative Photographic Processes
- A screenshot of a developer formula with SN in it
Some general things
Hope this helps if you ever need to justify having it around. Both excuses are totally legit. Happy to do some research into other reasons if others need that.
- Don't leave SN lying around in a sketchy bag or bottle. Label it clearly with something like "For curing salt use only" or "Photographic chemicals".
- If someone questions it, show them a printed recipe or page that lists SN as an ingredient.
- SN is totally legal in many countries for curing meat and hobbyist chemistry. Just say it's for food or photo hobby stuff—no need to overexplain.
- Keep it smallscale. Nobody's going to question one bottle if it looks like it's for a hobby.
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If meat curing or photography isn't your gig, look into a couple of the following:
Making Dyes: It is a reagent for conversion of amines into diazo compounds, which are key precursors to many dyes, such as diazo dyes
Etching Steel or Copper Plates: Sodium nitrite can be used as part of a mordant or acid mix to etch metals for printmaking or engraving.
Pyrotechnics: Color Agent or Oxidizer: Though not common, it has been used in some older or specific compositions to affect burn rate or coloration. Be careful - you don't want to be under investigation for explosives.
WHEN YOU ARE CHECKED ON:
You do not have to speak without a lawyer.
But, if you decide to talk…
If asked why you bought sodium nitrite, explain your use clearly. For example:
"I bought it for curing meats at home. I know it's a controlled substance in high doses, and I've researched how to use it safely."
If you're into hobbies like photography, metal etching, or chemistry, explain that too.
This phrase is the most important: "I AM NOT IN DANGER OF HARMING MYSELF IN ANY WAY. I UNDERSTAND IF I AM IN DANGER, I CAN REACH OUT TO ([UK: NHS 111 or Samaritans 116 123] [US/Canada: 911 or 988]) OR I WILL GO TO THE HOSPITAL"
Legal Info:
- UK: Mental Health Act (1983) allows police to enter with a warrant to assess someone they believe is mentally unwell.
- Read Section 135&136 of MHA 1986
- US: Exigent circumstances or the community caretaking doctrine can allow entry without a warrant if there's a risk to life.
Read Fourth Amendment
[FONT=Arial]Canada: Wellness checks are done under the [B]Criminal Code[/B] and [B]Mental Health Acts[/B], similar to the USA.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Read Charter of Rights section 8[/FONT]
ORDERING GOING FORWARD.
There are many other places that offer sodium nitrite, however they are VERY hard to find (as they should be to be honest, kids and teens shouldn't be able to find a suicide powder in under an hour)
There are no confirmed landings from the new DMC site, however as most know it is usually a 3-16 week wait time for shipping… I'm assuming DMC literally treated the site going down in mid-late march as a hiccup before moving to a new site and continuing as normal.
If anyone has anything to add or correct, please do so here :)