Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

[Dejected 55]

There is another thread on here about "what if the Purge was real" and we're about a hair away from that. If the argument is so easily that it is okay to shoot people because you disagree, even if they say horrible things as is their right (supposedly) to do... if you are fine settling everything with a bullet to the head rather than debate, elections, police, justice, etc.

Then, everyone should just go and get a gun and have it out tomorrow. Whichever side kills all the other side wins... then you'll all agree and be peaceful after that, right? No? Wait, you don't all agree on all the same things even though you were on the same side? Okay, keep going, divide into "teams" and do it over again.

Eventually there will be one person left and he will agree with himself, but he will be alone... and he will shoot himself in the head because what's the point.

If we aren't even going to pretend to have a civilization anymore, and we want to have chaos and kill or be killed... just do it. Abolish all the laws, then it's legal to kill whomever you want for whatever reason. Wait? What's that? You don't want people to shoot you, but it's okay for you to shoot them? See, that doesn't work... because once you decide it's okay to shoot people to "solve" problems... that's the rule... and it applies to everyone.

Good luck with all the hate!

 

[Pessimist]

watering down this whole situation as "people shouldn't die for their opinions!" is a joke. call it what it is. just say that you don't think people should die for advocating for murder and genocide. say that you don't think people should die because they're nazis. if you don't like the way that sounds, then maybe your belief is just stupid.

I've never heard Kirk advocating for murder, but even if he did it doesn't justify murdering him lol. Murdering people is worse than advocating for murder. Also, actual Nazis like Nick Fuentes and David Duke disliked Kirk because he was a pro-Israel guy. So you're using the wrong terms.

There is another thread on here about "what if the Purge was real" and we're about a hair away from that. If the argument is so easily that it is okay to shoot people because you disagree, even if they say horrible things as is their right (supposedly) to do... if you are fine settling everything with a bullet to the head rather than debate, elections, police, justice, etc.

Then, everyone should just go and get a gun and have it out tomorrow. Whichever side kills all the other side wins... then you'll all agree and be peaceful after that, right? No? Wait, you don't all agree on all the same things even though you were on the same side? Okay, keep going, divide into "teams" and do it over again.

Eventually there will be one person left and he will agree with himself, but he will be alone... and he will shoot himself in the head because what's the point.

If we aren't even going to pretend to have a civilization anymore, and we want to have chaos and kill or be killed... just do it. Abolish all the laws, then it's legal to kill whomever you want for whatever reason. Wait? What's that? You don't want people to shoot you, but it's okay for you to shoot them? See, that doesn't work... because once you decide it's okay to shoot people to "solve" problems... that's the rule... and it applies to everyone.

Good luck with all the hate!

Agreed. I'm honestly surprised by how idiotic and violent some leftists can be.

 

[The Hermit]

Did you read the rest of that reply, and notice that I was not specifically replying to you?
We appear to be on the same side of this, pal...

I know. My bad. I got defensive.

Had a rough night, and today I'm going to be anticipating a possibly extremely stressful weekend.

I didn't mean to have you catch a stray.

*flies away*

 

[Bad Karma]

i agree with this wholeheartedly. i just can't stand behind political violence, no matter who it's aimed at. even if the person was known for spreading hate. it doesn't bring real change and it definitely shouldn't be treated like something to celebrate. think about when luigi mangione assassinated that health care ceo last year, people called him a hero for fighting back against corporate greed. but in the end nothing changed. the healthcare system stayed the same and the act only caused more division. or when shinzo abe, japan's former prime minister, was killed in 2022 by someone angry over his ties to a controversial religious group. some people online saw it as justice, but it didn't actually take down the organization or reshape japan's politics. instead it just created more arguments and fear without solving the deeper problems.

that's why it feels so wrong to see other leftists celebrating charlie kirk's death. how far gone do you have to be to cheer for someone dying. he had a wife and two little kids who are now growing up without their dad. whether you liked him or not, that's heartbreaking. violence doesn't heal or fix anything, it just leaves more pain behind.

 

[PixelAngel]

I'm not celebrating murder (edit: nor his death). I'm celebrating hubris and irony. I already believed gun violence and murder are wrong, and Charlie believed they were a necessary expense for broad uncontrolled gun ownership. I'm terribly sorry his kids are fatherless. We tried to tell him this was a possibility. He didn't listen.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

i agree with this wholeheartedly. i just can't stand behind political violence, no matter who it's aimed at. even if the person was known for spreading hate. it doesn't bring real change and it definitely shouldn't be treated like something to celebrate. think about when luigi mangione assassinated that health care ceo last year, people called him a hero for fighting back against corporate greed. but in the end nothing changed. the healthcare system stayed the same and the act only caused more division. or when shinzo abe, japan's former prime minister, was killed in 2022 by someone angry over his ties to a controversial religious group. some people online saw it as justice, but it didn't actually take down the organization or reshape japan's politics. instead it just created more arguments and fear without solving the deeper problems.

that's why it feels so wrong to see other leftists celebrating charlie kirk's death. how far gone do you have to be to cheer for someone dying. he had a wife and two little kids who are now growing up without their dad. whether you liked him or not, that's heartbreaking. violence doesn't heal or fix anything, it just leaves more pain behind.

If a kind of activity doesn't bring real change then it wasn't done enough times. If people want it the other way, I was always available but got stepped on and spit on every time, should I still offer myself to people as a carpet over and over again and hope something gets done? No. The child self that wanted peace and utopia can't exist in this world the way it is, that child self will only get used up by everyone, in whatever sadistic way they wish.

Also, many people miss the fact that while this looks like it should, a public execution made with the executioner being an angry random person; you shouldn't discredit the fact that America has a massive problem by having a President who is involved with a certain Einstein that loved little math kits , that President just had a BIG LEAK regarding a letter to his friend, Einstein. Sacrificial pawn from chess doesn't sound that far fetched of a fate for this Kirk guy.

Yes I know it sounds like a conspiracy but who knows. It's not something that never has happened and it all circles back to my original comment, if we had no power, if we were weak, we'd be easy to manipulate, easy to beat, considering that a good theory is that Kirk was intentionally killed to mask more of the Epstein files, if that is true then that's good, they fear us, they should.

 

[The Hermit]

I'm honestly surprised by how idiotic and violent some leftists can be.

Meanwhile, it turns out that the shooter was a Nick Fuentes-loving Groyper from a conservative, gun-toting, Trump-loving family.

 

[quietwoods]

The gaslighting in this thread is crazy.

You're like abusers who get mad when their victims fight back.

I've already expressed that I'm pretty ambivalent to his death and felt the guy was a human dumpster who made a fortune sowing hate and division.

I think a lot of people in this thread are virtue signaling and just want to pat themselves on the back for saying violence is a bad thing.

I also think that executing someone for exercising their right to express opinions is a dangerous precedent and the descent into political violence is going to be a road paved with hundreds, thousands, or millions of dead bodies.

I'd rather have people like Charlie Kirk be able to express hateful ideas than civil war. Seen enough of those in a lifetime to know there's nothing glorious or righteous about violence.

Just a bunch of people dying in the dirt because someone somewhere couldn't get along.

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

Bruh the fact that the bullet casings had fucking memes written on them has made this siutation so much funnier than it was at the start. I guess fascism really comes second to "Notices bulge OwO wats dis?"

 

[Pessimist]

Meanwhile, it turns out that the shooter was a Nick Fuentes-loving Groyper from a conservative, gun-toting, Trump-loving family.

He wasn't a Groyper...

 

[The Hermit]

I've already expressed that I'm pretty ambivalent to his death and felt the guy was a human dumpster who made a fortune sowing hate and division.

I think a lot of people in this thread are virtue signaling and just want to pat themselves on the back for saying violence is a bad thing.

I also think that executing someone for exercising their right to express opinions is a dangerous precedent and the descent into political violence is going to be a road paved with hundreds, thousands, or millions of dead bodies.

I'd rather have people like Charlie Kirk be able to express hateful ideas than civil war. Seen enough of those in a lifetime to know there's nothing glorious or righteous about violence.

Just a bunch of people dying in the dirt because someone somewhere couldn't get along.

I think far more people are simply going, "He reaped what he sowed" than actively saying, "Yeah, he deserved to be killed for his beliefs".

Most people are reacting to his death the same way someone would if he had simply died in a car accident or from a heart attack.

The only reason people are pushing this "political violence" angle is because it was immediately assumed that the killer must have been a liberal who shot CK for his political opinions. Yet the shooter was revealed to be a Rightie himself, so we don't know his motivations. For all we know, he may have just wanted to watch the world burn.

The fact that a bunch of liberals are taking the opportunity to gloat is irrelevant and has nothing to do with people being murdered for their free speech. None of them had anything to do with CK's death.

 

[Pessimist]

Bruh the fact that the bullet casings had fucking memes written on them has made this siutation so much funnier than it was at the start. I guess fascism really comes second to "Notices bulge OwO wats dis?"

Murder isn't funny.

The only reason people are pushing this "political violence" angle is because it was immediately assumed that the killer must have been a liberal who shot CK for his political opinions. Yet the shooter was revealed to be a Rightie himself, so we don't know his motivations. For all we know, he may have just wanted to watch the world burn.

He was a leftist from a right-wing family.

Charlie Kirk assassination suspect was far-left ‘on everything’, high school friend says

The friend added, “the rest of his family was very hard Republican.”

thepostmillennial.com

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

Murder isn't funny.

Let me laugh harder! AHAHAHAAAAA

He was a leftist from a right-wing family.

Charlie Kirk assassination suspect was far-left ‘on everything’, high school friend says

The friend added, “the rest of his family was very hard Republican.”

thepostmillennial.com

LMAO the post millennial is a dogshite source. We heard from "a friend".

 

[PixelAngel]

Murder isn't the part that's funny. Irony is.

 

[R. A.]

Murder isn't the part that's funny. Irony is.

Irony is lost on the ignorant.
I'm having a fun time reading this thread now that I've ignored the wilfully ignorant =D

 

[Pluto]

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

yup, guns are the best way to go hands-down. But I don't think oligarchy and corporations had anything to do with it. I think it was some nutjob with a gun who wanted to be infamous. If this really was a political assassination orchestrated by some organized party, I would be very surprised. Who do you think specifically are responsible? Who specifically? High level non-elected officials of the DOD or something? I'm genuinely curious

mossad. The guy started criticizing Israel

 

[rainatthetraintrack]

y'all are sick in the head
nobody deserves to die because of their political beliefs

mossad. The guy started criticizing Israel

heard something like that too
about him criticizing the liberal jew lobby

 

[rainatthebusstop]

y'all are sick in the head
nobody deserves to die because of their political beliefs

It's not his political beliefs. Charlie Kirk kept going on and on about how shootings are worth it to keep the second amendment around to the point he actively mocked shooting victims. If anything he died for what he believed in: peoples rights for getting shot.

If anything, people are laughing because that's irony so heavy handed that if an author wrote it in a book, their editor would tell them it was "too heavy handed".

 

[rainatthetraintrack]

It's not his political beliefs. Charlie Kirk kept going on and on about how shootings are worth it to keep the second amendment around to the point he actively mocked shooting victims. If anything he died for what he believed in: peoples rights for getting shot.

If anything, people are laughing because that's irony so heavy handed that if an author wrote it in a book, their editor would tell them it was "too heavy handed".

you are taking a single quote out of context
it's not okay to use tragedies as an excuse for trying to take other ppls rights away

 

[PixelAngel]

"I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational." -Charlie Kirk

I fail to see how context changes this. No amount of self righteous scolding will elicit tears for this racist homophobic piece of human garbage and it takes half a second of looking up his views to know he would have laughed and praised the deaths of multiple friends of mine if it scored him brownie points with his audience. Won't get a tear from me. And nobody should feel bad laughing at the irony of a man who thought others' kids' deaths were acceptable, dying in a way he said was acceptable for them.

 

[sinfonia]

"I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational." -Charlie Kirk

I fail to see how context changes this. No amount of self righteous scolding will elicit tears for this racist homophobic piece of human garbage and it takes half a second of looking up his views to know he would have laughed and praised the deaths of multiple friends of mine if it scored him brownie points with his audience. Won't get a tear from me. And nobody should feel bad laughing at the irony of a man who thought others' kids' deaths were acceptable, dying in a way he said was acceptable for them.

Saying 'protecting the right to bear arms is more important than preventing gun deaths' is not the same as endorsing murder. Do you not get it or do you not want to get it?

Laughing at a man who got murdered in cold blood is a shameful and dishonorable thing to do regardless of what his political views were. Noone's saying you have to care or be brought to tears by what happened, but could you at least keep your malice to yourself in order to uphold the standards of human decency? That'd be great, thank you.

 

[PixelAngel]

Saying 'protecting the right to bear arms is more important than preventing gun deaths' is not the same as endorsing murder. Do you not get it or do you not want to get it?

Laughing at a man who got murdered in cold blood is a shameful and dishonorable thing to do regardless of what his political views were. Noone's saying you have to care or be brought to tears by what happened, but could you at least keep your malice to yourself in order to uphold the standards of human decency? That'd be great, thank you.

Continue scolding, it's only going to increase my entertainment. Over him? Ha. Go back in time and tell him to keep his malice to himself. Go back and tell him to walk back all the harm he did.

How is endorsing the necessity of the preventable deaths of innocent people, dominantly children, not akin to endorsing murder as long as it keeps guns in your hands? See, I DO get it, that school children being murdered doesn't actually help the second amendment at all. The hilarious part is he thought that was an acceptable cost, school shootings, he just didn't think he'd be paying it.

 

[sinfonia]

Continue scolding, it's only going to increase my entertainment.

I'll continue scolding as long as you continue to behave like a child.

Noone will benefit from this. Do you think, If political violence becomes more acceptable, vulnerable groups will not be the first to suffer the consequences of that?

Funny that these 'eye for an eye' arguments are coming from people who would normally be the most vehemt opponents of the death penalty (even for rapists and murderers).

 

[PixelAngel]

I'll continue scolding as long as you continue to behave like a child.

Noone will benefit from this. Do you think, If political violence becomes more acceptable, vulnerable groups will not be the first to suffer the consequences of that?

Funny that these 'eye for an eye' arguments are coming from people who would notmally be the most vehemt opponents of the death penalty.

Political violence has been happening against me in this country my whole life, pick another empty argument. They've been happily trying to destroy anyone they don't like as long as I've been alive. (Edit: let's not forget Kirk was cool with political violence, or have we not looked him up enough to recall that he told his audience they should bail out Nancy Pelosi's husband's attacker before using that point to talk down to others?)

Moreover, Charlie advocated this exact scenario (which y'all keep dodging, curious), what, you want me to cry for him? The funniest joke, him getting what he wanted in a way he didn't think would happen, was just told. And you want to tell me not to laugh at it? HA.

I'm not an eye-for-an-eye type. I think murder is wrong and I detest obsessive defenses of the second amendment as some holy bulwark against oppression. Charlie is the one who disagreed. And now he's a historically relevant example of the fault in his own views. If we were talking about someone who didn't explicitly ask for this scenario to be acceptable, I would totally be silent about the whole thing.

His views made life hell for people I love. His exact words. I've lost family and friends to his rhetoric. Should he have been murdered? No. But I didn't do it, and he got what he wanted. Thank goodness he went out humorously. The world is one ass hole short.

 

[555]

mossad. The guy started criticizing Israel

 

[rainatthebusstop]

you are taking a single quote out of context
it's not okay to use tragedies as an excuse for trying to take other ppls rights away

I am not saying that. I am saying that it is ironic that a man who spend a good chunk of his life being pro gun violence got killed by a person doing a gun violence. You are taking my words out of context. I never said anything about gun ownership or the second ammendment because frankly, I have no leg in that race either way

Plus it's really funny to say "it's not okay to use tragedies as an excuse for trying to take other ppls rights away" like buddy.... remember 9/11? Or is it just infringing on other peoples rights good actually if they are brown and/or pray on in the direction of Mecca?

 

[ilovecats]

I very much disagreed with him on many issues, including gun violence. I very much disliked him. But, if you try to justify his death just because you disagreed with him, then you are a bad person. Everyone is allowed to have opinions, whether you like it or not. You can't be pro democracy and then cheer over someone's death just because you disagreed with them. You can't be against gun violence, then cheer over someone getting shot and killed.

 

[PixelAngel]

I oppose lax safety standards when producing children's toys. If someone disagrees and then dies because an unsafe toy killed them, laughing about it does not detract from my ability to continue opposing bad standards.

 

[Hvergelmir]

If someone disagrees and then dies because an unsafe toy killed them, laughing about it does not detract from my ability to continue opposing bad standards.

Do you sincerely support making laughing stock of a dead child, because of disagreements about toy regulations?
And if so; why? To what end?

There's always a compromise in between safety and freedom, but we all ultimately want both. It shouldn't come as a surprise that some people lean more towards freedom, and others more towards safety.