Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

[Mirelight]

he was a hateful asshole
but he didn't deserve to die
nobody deserves to die unless they themselves want to

 

[Hvergelmir]

Fucking educate yourself this is the information age for christ's sake; i'd never heard of the prick till yesterday but I already made you a summary holy shit

Does his propaganda really deserve my attention?
Not to question the veracity of your summary, but I simply can't get an accurate picture without dissecting arguments and cross checking sources. I think there are better ways to spend my time. The exact nature of his work is irrelevant to me, and that's also what I tried to communicate.

Your level of disrespect is unwarranted.

 

[555]

rest in piss

 

[Hellis]

People debated nazis all the time. They still did the holocaust.

Remember when we won WW2 with words and kindness LOL

Are you guys brave enough to post how hilarious this murder was from your personal x or ig accounts?

They're permanently archiving your kind for future generations.

Expose Charlie's Murderers

www.charliesmurderers.com

Not the intended message, but it's important to note that people are willing to threaten over these beliefs. Be careful who you confide in and be smart about it. Even if we are all suicide fools, you probably don't want to lose your life to Mr mcgregor the local football coach with an AR-15 because of Charlie fucking Kirk. Stay safe guys.

 

[Dejected 55]

I did not like Charlie Kirk. I never heard anything that I agreed with that he said or supported. I don't otherwise know very much about him.

But he didn't deserve being shot to death as he was. His family didn't deserve that.

I don't have to say anything nice about him. I don't have to mourn him. I can say anything I want, because we do have free speech. Ironically the same free speech he had that some people say he deserved to be shot for exercising. What I can do is speak out against killing others for what they say, simply because they said it. I can also otherwise be silent about him and his beliefs because I believe in civility and decency, things that seem to be rare these days.

When the people who tell you loudly how they are the good guys cheer a sniper shot of a guy who was just talking on a college campus... I doubt they are the good guys. The good guys do not kill indiscriminately, and they don't cheer when it happens, even to their purported enemy.

In war people kill and are killed. In war. Are we at war? Has a war been declared? Stop with the Hitler stuff... if all Hitler ever did was write a book and say horrible things, then he wouldn't have deserved random sniper fire either... but Hitler was elected to lead his country and he led it down a horrible path to try and take over the world and commit atrocities along the way. In the end, ironically for this forum, Hitler took his own life in his bunker when he saw how things were going to end for him as he was losing the war he started. There is no comparison to Hitler here that makes any sense.

You don't have to like Kirk, you don't have to mourn him, but cheering his murder is chilling. Anyone who does that doesn't want to be part of a civil society. The person who shot him doesn't want to be part of a civil society. No civil person should want that. Such paths lead to horror very quickly.

I can't even with this anymore. I don't like being put in the position to even seem like I'm defending the man's views... because I'm not. I just believe in the freedoms we are supposed to have in this country to voice our views, and especially to do so without being shot in the head in public just for saying words. But I've got my own shit to deal with and the public reaction to celebrate this man being shot like that does not at all make me want to be a part of this world even if I could overcome other things. This shit just makes me more than ever certain that the world is horrible, even the people who shroud themselves in "good" are at heart evil and want to kill just as much as the others do and declare themselves righteous for doing so.

I think I'm done with this conversation now, and hopefully close to done with the world.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Why would some people suddenly defend this person? He literally reaps what he sows with his own words, he is a person of influence , he is not just some random dude. His words have more power because the world isn't a fair place so someone else took it into their hands to make the world fair again. Good riddance.

Quoting Mr. Kirk."I can't stand the word empathy, actually, I think empathy is a made up new age term and it does a lot of damage". I will respect his wishes and have no empathy for him.

 

[ConfettiSpaghetti]

him and numerous other people across the globe have actively made my life worse. they have spread nothing but misinformation and fearmongering about trans people and have contributed to the very world I live in which was resulted in me here. I don't care that he had "different opinions". I care what his opinions were and the effects they had. He contributed to a world that actively causses various groups to suffer. While I am not American, American politics has seeped into where I live and across many places in the world, largely due to social media influences like him and various organisations. One less horrible person in the world spreading vile shit that built a world pushing some people here. I'm glad at least one person will face accountability of some form before I die. Even if violence wasn't the ideal method.

 

[sheeplit]

With this and Iryna Zarutska just recently before, it could very well become an inflection point for the Right and the US as a whole. There's nothing good about this. The conversation overall seems to be shifting hard. People best be careful how they talk about this subject.

 

[ham and potatoes]

Just think, all of this could have been avoided had he not been a turd sandwich of a person.
Oh well, you preach hate long enough, it's bound to catch up with you

 

[Grog]

Spoiler: Video

 

[Skallagrim]

Watching twitter over the past day has been fascinating.

A whole cohort of people are gloating, generally on the left. People who generally argue very strongly against the death penalty for multiple murderers, decry hate speech, have "Be Kind" plastered all over their bio, and talk about the need to stop "verbal violence" are celebrating this fatal result of actual violence like it's 1999.

A whole cohort of people are threatening, generally on the right. People who yell about freedom of speech, people who demand the right to have their opinions aired, and say that nothing offensive is out of bounds, are threatening violence, finding the gloaters, finding their employers, trying to get them fired, and demanding that people who are saying nasty things be silenced.

It's... it's almost like... virtually everyone is a massive hypocrite who abandons their principles at the precise moment they become inconvenient!

It seems as if... as if... being a complete and utter asshole, without any self-awareness or ability to reflect on one's own behaviour, is baked into the human animal.

It looks like... people just drop their values willy-nilly, and make excuses for why their dearly held belief is completely opposite from what it was ten minutes ago.

Interesting creature, the human. Technologically advanced, yet nowhere near as intelligent as it seems to think it is.

 

[noname223]

@DarkRange55 is surprisingly silent about this incident. Maybe he knows something we don't know?

 

[Aiyuxiao]

I don't agree with things he said. But, no one deserves to be shot at in front of their wife and children. Gun violence like that has to stop :/

 

[wine is fine but]

typical leftards
they preach love and understanding; unless you do not agree with them then they are happy for you to be killed

as for gun laws, the us do not want them
half need guns for protections
the other half want guns to shoot up everyone

many here think people are disgusting, yet they have proven just how disgusting they are with their comments about someone being murdered

 

[PixelAngel]

He got what he asked for, there's far more important shit to deal with than him. Condolences to his loved ones. Congrats to his enemies. Moving on.

 

[Dot]

typical leftards
they preach love and understanding; unless you do not agree with them then they are happy for you to be killed

as for gun laws, the us do not want them
half need guns for protections
the other half want guns to shoot up everyone

many here think people are disgusting, yet they have proven just how disgusting they are with their comments about someone being murdered

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[ConfettiSpaghetti]

typical leftards
they preach love and understanding; unless you do not agree with them then they are happy for you to be killed

as for gun laws, the us do not want them
half need guns for protections
the other half want guns to shoot up everyone

many here think people are disgusting, yet they have proven just how disgusting they are with their comments about someone being murdered

"Don't agree with them" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Charlie Kirk spread fearmongering and misinformation that worsened the lives of many people. Even if you reduce it to "just a different opinion," opinions don't exist in a vacuum and they have real impacts, even if indirectly. If he was targeted because of his politics, it's likely a result of the world he helped shape.

While violence is never ideal, there is a limit to how much harm certain groups can endure before some people feel pushed to extremes. I would prefer a world where issues weren't addressed with violence, but Kirk actively promoted policies and rhetoric that made life worse for others. Unfortunately for him, some people aren't willing to silently accept the injustice he helped create and so many here are celebrating. Some celebrate for better reasons, such as the death of his rhetoric as it can no longer be spread by him and others for worse, by celebrating the death of the person.

Regardless of how people feel about him, Kirk helped create a world where people suffered because of his fearmongering and misinformation. He supported opinions and policies at the expense of others, contributing to a society where violence and hate are more common. People only now seem upset because that hate and violence is no longer directed solely at others they could ignore.

It's unlikely things will get more peaceful anytime soon. People are angry everywhere in the world, and scapegoating has become routine. The number of people negatively affected by not just Kirk but others spreading misinformation and fear is only growing. Hopefully, one day the world will be better, and we can look back at today and prevent society from reaching this point again. But until those who profit from and are responsible for misinformation and misery stop, and until we actively seek solutions and truth rather than rhetoric and comforting narratives, this cycle will continue.

If harm occurs, I and many others believe it is far better that someone like Kirk, who contributed to creating this dangerous environment, bears the consequences than a random person on the street.

 

[Dot]

Exclusive | Trump says Charlie Kirk assassination suspect ‘turned in’ by his father — with sources IDing him as 22-year-old Utah man Tyler Robinson: ‘We have him’

President Trump announced early Friday that a suspect for Charlie Kirk’s assassination was turned in by his father — with law enforcement sources telling The Post it is a 22-year-old Utah local

nypost.com

 

[Winterreise]

They find another mouth piece.

 

[noname223]

If what's being said here is true, I think the trans community is going to start to have a really bad time and it all sounds very suspicious.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/ch...fascist-ideology-sources-pdymd1sXXMSlVRhpvR4b

From the evidence thus far correct me if I am wrong. but "Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology" is highly misleading. The last part is true but...

Since when is "If you read this, you are gay. LMAO" a pro-trans statement?

Media took part in the misinformation campaign led by the Trump administration claiming it was a crazy leftwinger.

 

[batmanreal]

reminder that this man built his career and got a fat check for justifying the deaths of small children. he justified the deaths of victims of gun violence. this is what he fought for, so yes, he got what was coming to him.
he didn't want us to care when second graders were getting shot and killed, so why should i feel any type of way when he gets shot and killed? eye for an eye.

even aside from justifying gun violence, he also supported genocide and slavery. he literally called the civil rights act a mistake.
he called george floyd a scumbag.
he doesn't support abortion, even in cases where the mother will die. that freak said that his daughter will deliver a baby even if she's raped.
he actively fought against the rights of lgbt people while the lgbt, specifically trans people, are getting brutally murdered and committing suicide at terrifying rates.

you should expect what you put out into this world. when innocent people were murdered, he didn't show compassion. he either ignored/justified their deaths, outright supported their deaths, or used them as political tools. so, please, explain why i should give a single fuck about him getting shot.

some of y'all need to tighten the fuck up and stop being so damn soft, it's not doing what you think it's doing. it's just a slap in the face to the communities of people who were actually affected by his bullshit. people are dead because of Charlie Kirk and people like him.
watering down this whole situation as "people shouldn't die for their opinions!" is a joke. call it what it is. just say that you don't think people should die for advocating for murder and genocide. say that you don't think people should die because they're nazis. if you don't like the way that sounds, then maybe your belief is just stupid.

the only people i feel sorry for in this situation are the innocent witnesses.

 

[Winterreise]

Instability is exactly what Trump wants, but it's also a never ending meat grinder.

 

[The Hermit]

I just can't stand the pearl-clutching and the obligatory disclaimers of "I don't agree with him, but he didn't deserve die".

People are allowed to feel however they want to feel about this.

Why are the folks who were the victims of his rhetoric obligated to feel sad over it, or keep quiet about their sentiments?

The man preached hate and he reaped what he sowed.

Hell, political violence happens everyday - cutting DEI, SNAP and Medicaid/Medicare was an act of political violence.

Trying to federally ban abortion is political violence.

Homelessness, the housing crisis, and the lack of mental institutions is a mix of political and corporate violence.

Him getting shot was just more immediate, visceral, jarring - not something drawn out over months or years, killing someone slowly, like it is for everyone else.

 

[R. A.]

This is still going, huh? sigh

Kirk: "guns are great, civil rights are bad, muslims are evil, there are TWO genders and gayness is against god's will, rape victims should be forced to birth their babies, etc. etc."

one group's response:

. . .​

*Kirk dies* second group: "i'm glad he's dead, he said a lotta fucked up harmful shit"

group 1's response to 2's reaction:

​

 

[quietwoods]

I just can't stand the pearl-clutching and the obligatory disclaimers of "I don't agree with him, but he didn't deserve die".

Your primary issue seems to be very easily explained by your second paragraph:

People are allowed to feel however they want to feel about this.

It's a thread about a violent political event, it's going to draw a wide diversity of opinion. Not sure why you are annoyed at people expressing their opinion while simultaneously expressing your opinion.

 

[shampoo sniffer]

Horrible. Imo, he didn't deserve death. He had kids who are now probably missing their dad.