Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[OnMyLast Legs]

Does closing my car well enough to prevent any leaks, and connecting my exhaust to the interior or even burning good amount charcoal inside of it, will have a good success rate if nobody find me in the next hours ?
I read somewhere it is something painless, and I would like to leave in peace, unconscious

Car exhaust hasn't worked for like 50 years. Catalytic converters. Charcoal in a car (after it's done smoking) works all the time.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Even if there is some amount of CO emissions, these types of heaters burn very efficient. It would be a slow accumulation of CO, and it might never reach lethal levels. It's just too slow. There are better ways of generating CO, imo.

 

[nethelynn]

How many and what kind if you don't mind me asking

2 bar-be-quick instant barbecues

 

[akafuka1999]

i read to use 3 grills with capacity 3kg each. why not use one big grill instead?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

would that be a good place? is not the height of the room a problem? because CO lighter than air. I must figure out how to lock the room because it can be unlocked from outside. any tips? good thing is nothing will burn.

You're continuously generating copious amounts of CO. Over that time the ENTIRE room volume, ceiling to floor, is going to fill with CO. It's NOT going to "hang out" only at the top of the room at the ceiling.

 

[deadmanwalking1990]

Does anybody know if i plug my cold exhaust with snow,then start my car,could the CO build up in the car?

 

[nethelynn]

Does anybody know if i plug my cold exhaust with snow,then start my car,could the CO build up in the car?

Absolutely won't work

 

[deadmanwalking1990]

Absolutely won't work

Could you explain why

 

[akafuka1999]

is there a suitable mask through which will CO not get in? (I have to get in the room and then homemadely lock doors, because they can be unlocked from outside.)

 

[Yaalya]

guys, a long time passed since i posted last time. i have a short question; my charcoal briqettes from weber are now 5 years old but i stored this in my room, dry. maybe the bag was exposed to the sun, few months.

can i use this bag to ctb or should i buy a new one?

sorry for my poor english, english is my third language and im too lazy to use a translator ;)

 

[akafuka1999]

damn i only found this detector that measure to 10 000 ppm on amazon. and it is not available anymore.

Amazon.com

in czech republic didnt find any.
any help?
and a warning do not buy CO2 detector.

A LOOOONNG list of side effects of carbon monoxide.

Monoxide.

* Headaches
* Dizziness
* Weakness
* Nausea
* Trouble thinking
* Shortness of breath
* Visual problems
* Loss of consciousness
* Increased temperature
* Milder hypertension
* Diarrhea
* Cherry-red skin (uncommon)
* Bullous lesions
* Sweat-gland necrosis
* Rhabdomyolysis
* Renal failure from myoglobinuria
* Pulmonary problems
* Reduced exercise tolerance for patients with chronic obstructive lung disease
* Low levels have deleterious effects on cell structure in terminal airways
* Decrease in mid- and end- expiratory flow rates
Noncardiogenic pulmonary edema
* Cardia performance affected
* Lack of compensatory coronary dilation in presence of CO
* Earlier onset of exercise-induced angina in coronary atherosclerosis
* Ischemic ST-segment depression
* Aggravation of angina pectoris
* Intermittent claudication occurs earlier
* Causes polycytermia
* Level of intraerythrocytic 2,3-diphophoglycerate decreases
* Impaired oxygen transport capability
* Cardiac arrhythmia (main cause of CO poisoning)
* Threshold for ventricular fibrillation is reduced
* Disability or death from effects on the central nervous system
* Lethal cerebral edema
* Cell death from hypoxia and interference with cellular respiration
Symmetric, destructive frontal and posterior parietal leukoencephalopathy
* Degenerative changes in the basal ganglia, especially the globus pallidus
* Parenacentral scotomas
* homonymous hemianopia
* Temporary of permanent blindness
* Flame-shaped superficial retinal hemorrhages
* Vestibular dysfunction
* Hearing loss
* Delayed central nervous systems disorders:
Affective incontinence, including:
Increased irritability
Impulsiveness
Mood changes
Moodiness
Violence
Verbal aggressiveness
Personality changes
Cognitive abnormalities
Neurological abnormalities
* Memory impairment
* 3-yr follow-up of coma found 11% still suffered neuropsychiatric disturbances
* Urinary or fecal incontinence, or both
* Gait disturbances
* Mutism
* Tremor
* Speech disturbances
* Epilepsy
* Abdominal cramps
* Mimics flu-like viral illness
* Paraesthesiae
* Parkinsonism
* Akinetic mutism
* Acidosis of cerebrospinal fluid
* Increase in left ventricular ejection time
* Symptoms are often vague
* Physical examination may be unremarkable
Measurement of carboxyhemoglobin may not correlate well with symptoms

https://www.abe.iastate.edu/extension-and-outreach/two-conditions-for-a-carbon-monoxide-hazard/

with a lot of benzos one should be dead in 3 minutes anyway

 

[locked*n*loaded]

damn i only found this detector that measure to 10 000 ppm on amazon. and it is not available anymore.
Amazon.com

10,000 is perfectly fine. A level of 10,000 ppm is unconsciousness in only a few breaths. TPI makes an analyzer that measures up to 10,000 ppm.

 

[akafuka1999]

is there something i should know how to choose correct grill?

would you recommend this grill?

Weber Master-Touch GBS E-5750 14701004 Äerný od 7 199 KÄ - Heureka.cz

Klasický gril na dÅevÄné uhlÃ, který potÄÅ¡Ã krásným designem i praktickými funkcemi.

grily.heureka.cz

or

https://grily.heureka.cz/weber-master-touch-gbs-premium-se-e-5775-17401004-cerna/#prehled/

or some different one?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

is there something i should know how to choose correct grill?

would you recommend this grill?

Weber Master-Touch GBS E-5750 14701004 Äerný od 7 199 KÄ - Heureka.cz

Klasický gril na dÅevÄné uhlÃ, který potÄÅ¡Ã krásným designem i praktickými funkcemi.

grily.heureka.cz

or

https://grily.heureka.cz/weber-master-touch-gbs-premium-se-e-5775-17401004-cerna/#prehled/

or some different one?

In a tent, no that wouldn't work. Too tall. In a small room it would probably be fine. Don't really need grill after starting charcoal in chimney starters. Just put them in small metal pails and set pails on bricks.

 

[Hefinator]

In a tent, no that wouldn't work. Too tall. In a small room it would probably be fine. Don't really need grill after starting charcoal in chimney starters. Just put them in small metal pails and set pails on bricks.

Is there any thread on Gas Inverters as CO method?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Is there any thread on Gas Inverters as CO method?

What's a gas inverter? Is that the chemical way of producing CO? Never heard it called that before.

 

[auto138491]

An Unusual Case of Carbon Monoxide Poisoning from Formic and Sulfuric Acid Mixture - PMC

Formic acid, when combined with sulfuric acid, gets dehydrated to form carbon monoxide (CO). A 27-year-old female was found unconscious inside a car, next to a container with a mixture of sulfuric acid and formic acid. Concentrations of up to 400 ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Has anyone thought about using sulfuric acid and formic acid instead of charcoal? Seems to me it could be simpler and take less time than waiting for charcoal to burn and possibly attracting attention. I don't know much about it yet but would be curious about everyone else's opinions

 

[locked*n*loaded]

An Unusual Case of Carbon Monoxide Poisoning from Formic and Sulfuric Acid Mixture - PMC

Formic acid, when combined with sulfuric acid, gets dehydrated to form carbon monoxide (CO). A 27-year-old female was found unconscious inside a car, next to a container with a mixture of sulfuric acid and formic acid. Concentrations of up to 400 ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If that's more appealing to you, you can do it that way.

 

[akafuka1999]

I still dont understand what grill to choose? and WHY?
Can i leave coals in chimney starters?
will this do?

https://allegro.cz/produkt/prenosny-zahradni-gril-na-drevene-uhli-skladaci-turisticky-v-kybliku-b2bc02aa-eb0f-4594-a413-8515cc37d69b?offerId=15699604446&utm_feed=712e6653-4749-4512-b084-b6e297fc9e0b&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=CZ%3EHome%3EGarden-Leisure%3E3P%3EPLA&ev_adgr=Ad%20group%201&ev_campaign_id=22951283244&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22951283244&gbraid=0AAAAApZ4Y9RXGPOlN3LIeruty_w4xfhbl&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqr3Sv92KkQMVqPV5BB3BgSL7EAQYAiABEgL0U_D_BwE

Metal buckets have no air vent.
Am i complicating it or it doesnt matter where i put the coals?

and my room volume is 3.7m³. If I need only 0.135kg prec cubic meter does that mean that minimum to use is only 0,5kg charcoal? So i can put in the small room only one grill with 3kg charcoal to reach 10 000 ppm?

 

[weezing]

Can someone help me? My bathroom is 4m². Approximately how many kilograms of charcoal would I need to make it lethal? I would also like to know how long I should wait until it reaches good CO levels.

 

[ineed2gosoon]

Sorry for double-posting. I meant to post here originally but posted to the main forum instead.

I'm very much leaning toward using the co method to ctb soon.

I will be utilizing my mid-size suv, which is 150 cubic ft, or about 4 cubic meters.

I plan to purchase 2-17" portable grills, and I am hoping each grill will hold roughly 3-4 lbs of charcoal (1.3-1.8 kg each). I may have to settle for 2-14" ones if I cannot find the 17" ones, which would still hopefully hold 2-3 lbs of charcoal (around 1kg each)I will also purchase 2 chimey starters, fire starting cubes and bring along some newspaper in case it is needed.

I've never used charcoal before, so forgive me if i am over explaining the process. I will place each chimney starter on the lower grill (with as much charcoal as will fit in the grill afterwards), then light using the fire starting cubes. After about half an hour, or when there is no more flame, I will dump both chimneys into their respective grills and carefully place in the back of my car. I will place each grill in a metal tray with water. Then, i will get into my car having already sealed vents with duct tape. It's a relatively new car so i am not as concerned about doors and windows (maybe i should be?).

my first concern is that when i watched videos on how to use a chimney starter, most are dumping when there is still flame and sparks going everywhere. Is this because they're using the charcoal for grilling, rather than for CTB? or should I expect there to be sparks when dumping my charcoal?

If I'm only able to aquire the 14" grills, I should still have the ability to us at least 4 lbs (1.8 kg) charcoal, if not more. Will this be enough?

Lastly, should I worry about the heat damaging the roof of the car? I could theoretically place the grills on the floor in the back seat (there should be enough room, as I can move the captains seats back), which would increase the distance from the roof of the car.

Please let me know if there is anything I've forgotten about or missed.

 

[Chairbed3]

Sorry for double-posting. I meant to post here originally but posted to the main forum instead.

I'm very much leaning toward using the co method to ctb soon.

I will be utilizing my mid-size suv, which is 150 cubic ft, or about 4 cubic meters.

I plan to purchase 2-17" portable grills, and I am hoping each grill will hold roughly 3-4 lbs of charcoal (1.3-1.8 kg each). I may have to settle for 2-14" ones if I cannot find the 17" ones, which would still hopefully hold 2-3 lbs of charcoal (around 1kg each)I will also purchase 2 chimey starters, fire starting cubes and bring along some newspaper in case it is needed.

I've never used charcoal before, so forgive me if i am over explaining the process. I will place each chimney starter on the lower grill (with as much charcoal as will fit in the grill afterwards), then light using the fire starting cubes. After about half an hour, or when there is no more flame, I will dump both chimneys into their respective grills and carefully place in the back of my car. I will place each grill in a metal tray with water. Then, i will get into my car having already sealed vents with duct tape. It's a relatively new car so i am not as concerned about doors and windows (maybe i should be?).

my first concern is that when i watched videos on how to use a chimney starter, most are dumping when there is still flame and sparks going everywhere. Is this because they're using the charcoal for grilling, rather than for CTB? or should I expect there to be sparks when dumping my charcoal?

If I'm only able to aquire the 14" grills, I should still have the ability to us at least 4 lbs (1.8 kg) charcoal, if not more. Will this be enough?

Lastly, should I worry about the heat damaging the roof of the car? I could theoretically place the grills on the floor in the back seat (there should be enough room, as I can move the captains seats back), which would increase the distance from the roof of the car.

Please let me know if there is anything I've forgotten about or missed.

So you are using two grills holding about 2 kgs of charcoal totalling 4 kgs? I think that would be enough. I didn't attempt it yet but I plan to go by this method. As for sparks while dumping them, I think some sparks are unavoidable but there must be no smoke. I never thought about the roof of the car though. I assumed it would not get affected because there would hardly be any smoke. I'm only worried about contact with the floor as well as the seats when I place it in the trunk.

 

[agarthacel]

What about gas heaters keep it on for the night in your room which shouldnt be ventilated will send you to heaven it causes fatalities every year like this

 

[olliproton]

I will be leaving this place soon and would like to show you my carbon monoxide setup, which I will be using in combination with hanging.

It comes from the Peaceful Pill manual. It consists of:
two 1-liter HDPE containers for transporting the acids, a 1-liter HDPE container filled with the two acids, and a 5-liter HDPE container with 4 liters of distilled water.
The tubing is made of silicone. I used hot glue to connect everything.
The gas is routed through a tube into a CPAP mask. I will be using 300 ml of 98% sulfuric acid and 100 ml of 85% formic acid. I would be interested in your opinion on the following question: Is there a better alternative to distilled water for filtering the acid fumes?

 

[Intoxicated]

Is there a better alternative to distilled water for filtering the acid fumes?

Distilled water is unnecessary, you could use tap water as well. Dissolving NaOH or KOH in it can help to neutralize acidic fumes.

 

[EmpressDean]

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Hard to guess how much. Lots and lots is the rough answer.
I've seen a test where 1kg hit 7,900ppm but every car and brand of charcoal will vary a bit.

I used a small bucket style bbq, £9, here it is during testing (I left the grill top off). Sat in a steel tray with 2 inches of water to absorb any downward heat.
Pic taken through rear boot window.
Plus cheapo detector shown maxed out next to temp gauge to see how hot it got in there. Not too bad seeing as it was 24℃ before the test even started.

And very importantly you need a chimney starter to get them well lit and grey before dumping them into the inner steel bucket of the bbq. See youtube.

n you explain the second pic please? I see a brown bowl with charcoal in a green bowl?

 

[Chairbed3]

Can anyone tell me if I can use lump charcoal instead of BBQ briquettes? I read online and it shows that lump charcoal produces less CO. Is this true?

 

[EmpressDean]

Hello, how do I dispose of charcoal after it's done burning and turns grey? I want to do a test run. Also for the disposable bbq ones too

 

[ThatGuyFromThere]

Would a butane or propane canister work? Like one of those small 500g portable ones that people use in tailgating parties? If so how many of them and how long to burn so they sufficient CO is released for, say, a small bathroom?

 

[EmpressDean]

Thank you for coming back

This is where I am so far

But gutted when people say about not doing it if your house is attached, my neighbours have a kid and id hate to cause them any issues.

But I do have two cars at the moment, one of them is rubbish so I might use that so my brother have my beamer.

Thanks again

Hi can you explain your set up with the buckets? Will you light the charcoal in the starter and then when it's greyish you'll put it in the bucket? Will you put the bucket on cement blocks?