Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[hdead]

Lo entiendo, pero lo único a lo que tendría acceso es a una tienda de campaña; no tengo nada más.
¿Qué consejo me puedes dar?

I can't tell you anything else than I already did. Sorry. Wish you all the best.

 

[DeathfulEnd]

Anyone with the knowledge know If maybe a riding lawnmower in a shed with the doors closed would work. Not hermetically sealed but closed up.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I've been thinking on this method, especially the failures and the reasoning behind them. Also trying to figure out why people get an easy exit with CO by accident, and fail when trying to do it with the intent to CTB.

Before I write this; I am not trying to encourage anyone to go on with this method. I'm sharing my findings, my thoughts and my explorations thusfar for 'entertainment purposes'.

People have been going nuts, in this thread and others, about getting the highest possible CO concentration so they get to pass out and die quickly. I don't think this is the way to go.

When people die on accident by CO poisoning it's likely that the concentration isn't all that high and they slip away due to a prolonged period of time in an environment with moderate CO levels. There are many sources and charts that contradict, but it is likely that CO can become fatal from as low as 500ppm, when exposed for a few hours. The trick is to breathe in CO, no matter how much, for long enough. Once it binds, it's bound. The rest added on is compounded and it will build it in your system. In accidental cases I cannot imagine the amount of CO is very high, as onset of symptoms is usually described as slow, flu-like and drowziness. Not extreme enough for people to become alarmed, but enough to make them want to go to sleep. Our catch is; we do not want to be found in time.

You also have to take into account the mechanism of CO production and burning in general. CO is produced by incomplete combustion. But, for combustion to even occur (complete or incomplete) there has to be oxygen. If you push up the CO levels in a sealed room quickly, I think it's rather likely that oxygen becomes depleted rather fast causing the combustion to cease thus stopping the creation of any new CO.

For CO to work there is actually no need to get rid of any oxygen. CO does not change into CO2 by simply coming into contact with oxygen. It needs some spark, or thermodynamic catalyst for it to convert into CO2 when reacting with O2. Read up on catalytic converters, they are made for this purpose. At room temperature, or slightly above, the CO bond won't break and the gas will remain intact. The oxygen content within the burning coal is already low enough (dense coal, stack, etc), and that is where the CO is produced. CO binds a lot more effectively to hemoglobin than oxygen does, so if the two are mixed in an atmosphere there should be no problem. I think the failed attempts are most likely due to the source of CO becoming extinguished either due to oversealing or improper/irregular burning of coals. I'm not going into the acid mixing method; it seems far too dangerous, uncomfortable and complicated for me. I'd rather go about and finding a way to replicate the accidental CO poisoning.

I think it's not essential to drive up CO levels to an insane amount. It will cause shock, and it will likely cause SI to kick in, making it hard to go to sleep naturally. You'll be awake to experience the CO poisoning knowing your goals. Even if you try to simulate a more accidental environment, for example with a propane heater/bbq/improper fireplace setup inside; if you do it with the knowledge that you're intending to CTB I think it's going to be tough to go to sleep as if you'd normally do. Again. SI will likely kick in and make you anxious. That's why people will use alcohol or sleeping pills to help them fall asleep in such an environment, with the hopes of not waking up. However, there are a few case studies that show alcohol/ehtanol actually improve your chances of surviving CO poisoning. So, when I attempt this I will NOT be drinking alcohol.

If you were to use a sleeping aid you must take into account that it slows your breathing. Normally an adult will breathe about 12-20 breaths per minute, also during sleep. Anything lower than 10-12 is considered unhealthy and is associated with some form of apnea or other condition. With prescribed doses of benzos your anxiety will be dampened and breathing should not be affected. In higher doses, or combinations of benzos, your breathing potentially slows down to 4-5 breaths per minute. It doesn't take a wizard in maths to realize that you'd need 2 to 3 times the amount of time of exposure to CO to reach deadly levels. Therefore, overdosing on benzos while trying this method will likely help you fail it drastically.

I'm thinking that a combination of natural CNS (valerian, passionflower) combined with a healthy dose of sleep depravation and maybe 10-20mg of valium should do the trick if you want to CTB more or less reliably with this method. If you can create an environment that produces sufficient CO for long enough you don't need to have these crazy high PPM to CTB. You just need a long enough exposure for the CO to slowly build up and off you. This is probably why people die on accident with faulty geisers, fireplaces or bbq's inside the house.

I've ordered 20kg of marabu charcoal which has a carbon content of at least 75%. Sources differ when it comes to burn time, varying from 4-5hrs all the way up to 12-15hrs. I intend to test this before I even go for a serious attempt. Sufficient oxygen in the room is not going to be a problem. CO is produced within the coal stack itsself, that's where a lack of oxygen comes into play. With dense coal, this should not be a problem. The rest of the room isn't the issue. Sealing the room should also not be necessary. Considering you're close enough to the source of CO you're going to breathe it in. If it burns for long enough it will produce CO for a long enough time and you'll likely breathe in enough to CTB. It's all a bit of a gamble, of course. Sadly, there are no certainties. If there were, I would be taking it every single day. Anybody got a reliable source of barbiturates already?! ;)

You can't really try this stuff out - but if you look at the succesful cases it's unusual to see people taking in a lot of charcoal. It's usually a few bricks, one bbq, one heater, or something like that (talking accidental cases and intentional CTB cases). If you were to seal off a confined space hermetically, the oxygen would be depleted faster and more effectively, thus stopping combustion all together. To stop combustion is to stop the production of CO and minimizing the amount of time exposed to this fine gas. I reason that the ultimate trick to this method working is to create an environment that is not well ventilated, neither hermetically sealed and to make sure any CO produced passes you before it dissipates. Put the source close to yourself and make sure it can keep burning for hours on end. This would likely help you to succeed. I think nobody would feel comfortable waking up in a miserable state - which is totally a possibility. Because of that I can imagine why people romanticize the idea of pushing the CO limits to a level of 10000+PPM, but it's just not proving to be either easily achieved and certainly not easily maintained.

In short; get yourself a nice cold house with small rooms and convince yourself it's a good idea to bring a BBQ with smokeless coal inside to heat yourself up. Get cosy, don't drink alcohol. Favor chamomille/valerian tea with a single or double benzo. Doze off and hope for the best.

Taking benzos is a risk. I take them myself on a daily basis and in the beginning I did stuff I couldn't remember, even though I went to bed straight after taking them. My mother took a benzo once, but didn't go to bed right after. She acted like she was high and couldn't remember anything the next day.

With a high enough ppm (12.800 = 1,28% CO) you'll be out immediately, avoiding the splitting headache that can come with CO poisoning, and dead within 1 to 3 minutes. Instead of 'hoping for the best' I'd invest in a decent CO analyser (up to 10.000) and be (almost) sure.

 

[hdead]

Taking benzos is a risk. I take them myself on a daily basis and in the beginning I did stuff I couldn't remember, even though I went to bed straight after taking them. My mother took a benzo once, but didn't go to bed right after. She acted like she was high and couldn't remember anything the next day.

With a high enough ppm (12.800 = 1,28% CO) you'll be out immediately, avoiding the splitting headache that can come with CO poisoning, and dead within 1 to 3 minutes. Instead of 'hoping for the best' I'd invest in a decent CO analyser (up to 10.000) and be (almost) sure.

You won't be ablo to go from 0% in to 1.28% CO without going into complete shock, however. I understand why this method would seem alluring, I just don't think it's all that valid.

I am taking benzos right now and even though I am starting to have some minor memory loss I'm not finding myself doing dumb shit. The only thing I worry about is that I'd know that I'll be going to bed with the intent of not waking up. My subconscious might take over while asleep. We'll see when we get there..

 

[kurgan]

You won't be ablo to go from 0% in to 1.28% CO without going into complete shock, however. I understand why this method would seem alluring, I just don't think it's all that valid.

I am taking benzos right now and even though I am starting to have some minor memory loss I'm not finding myself doing dumb shit. The only thing I worry about is that I'd know that I'll be going to bed with the intent of not waking up. My subconscious might take over while asleep. We'll see when we get there..

Shock, so what? Your brain loses the capacity to register it pretty quickly, around a minute.

 

[hdead]

Shock, so what? Your brain loses the capacity to register it pretty quickly, around a minute.

A minute is a long time in those circumstances. Don't underestimate your SI.

For example; hanging is pretty peaceful. You just kind of black out if you do it right. It takes 10-15 seconds. But, if your SI is strong enough those seconds are more than long enough for you reptile brain to interfere.

Don't underestimate the conditions. Writing and talking about it, fantasizing, is one thing. Actually visualizing yourself in the situation, or putting yourself there (I've been there) is a whole different ballgame. All of a sudden your terrible life seems like a better option than ending it all. I for one am clearly doomed to take it day by day until I really break or can't take it no more. I thought I was sure I wanted to end it, but I am not. Yet.

 

[kurgan]

Don't underestimate your SI.

Of course SI can stuff things up no matter what method you choose.

 

[hdead]

Of course SI can stuff things up no matter what method you choose.

Surely. I just think if you go the lengthy route, you'll become nice, cozy and sleepy and just pass in your sleep - like so many seem to do on accident. It's the getting to sleep part with the knowledge that's the issue. Maybe music, drink and some anxyiolitics in that case. Not too much though. :)

 

[kurgan]

Surely. I just think if you go the lengthy route, you'll become nice, cozy and sleepy and just pass in your sleep - like so many seem to do on accident. It's the getting to sleep part with the knowledge that's the issue. Maybe music, drink and some anxyiolitics in that case. Not too much though. :)

A prolonged journey over many hours doesn't sit well with me. More chance of being discovered, battling si will be longer, the massive concentration leeway wont be there, possibly only being high enough to cause brain damage, whereas fading out in a 10,000-plus environment, you will have peace of mind death willl be inside 5 minutes.

 

[BPDvic]

What kills me (no pun intended) are the stories of people dying from carbon poisoning as a result of forgetting a small amount of coal inside a poorly made tent. And we are here endlessly planning.

 

[hdead]

What kills me (no pun intended) are the stories of people dying from carbon poisoning as a result of forgetting a small amount of coal inside a poorly made tent. And we are here endlessly planning.

Yeah, it's almost funny isn't it.