Can someone debunk reincarnation for me

[Dune]

I want to be done with this shit but I can't shake the feeling that I'll just be born again as someone else and suffer through a brand new set of awful conditions. By reincarnation I mean two different things, either

A) I kill myself and then my mind is untethered and just floats around in the Astral creating/graviting towards whatever is playing out in my deep mind (like a bad psychedelic trip)

B) there's no mystical afterlife at all and I'm just born again as something else randomly. We're born once why wouldn't it happen again after an infinitely long period of time? And you can't experience nothingness so it would fly instantly until life happens again

These thoughts plague me and make me feel like I'm fucking stuck in experience forever with no escape. This is traumatizing me right now as I feel like I'm utterly trapped in this flesh grinder existence. I'd love if someone can break this logic for me so i can feel like I will be released soon

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm similar to you- I HATE the thought of reincarnation but can't entirely shake the fear of it. Still, I would say this:

If the worst is true and we do indeed get sent back- chances are you'll have no recollection of the life you lived before. (I don't remember past lives- do you?) In which case- you'll be experiencing it all again in a completely different body and scenario. Perhaps even a better one- unless you believe in being punished each time round... Maybe not much of a comfort but it's got to be better than being AWARE you've lived hundreds of lifetimes (and hated them all.)

What makes you think any part of you that is familiar to you- your senses, thinking and self awareness can survive without your body and your brain? Surely- if thoughts had energy, telekinesis would be real? I don't buy the reasoning that our energy has to be transfered into an afterlife when we die either- our energy IS transfered into the insects that eat us (in burial) or the flames we fuel (cremation.)

Maybe the PROCESS of thinking creates energy or electrical impulses or whatever- but- don't you need a functioning brain in order for them to be created and sustained?

How does reincarnation account for the changes in population? Especially population growth? Does that mean new souls are added now and again? When population decreases- are some souls being put 'on hold' or, do they go to other universes or become animals? In which case- does anyone claim to have been an alien in a former life?

Is there any reasoning behind reincarnating? (If it's real...) Is it so that we learn some great lesson and become 'better?' To what end though? Is there some reward? If animals can also reincarnate- what do you have to achieve to have been deemed an especially good worm for example?

Surely morals are human concepts- you can't call a lion 'bad' for eating something alive. Plus our morals or rules vary as to which religion you follow. Which one is right? Presumably one with reincarnation in- if it's real...

I suppose to be fair- I can't account for people who seem to remember past lives. I do find it odd that it's only a tiny fraction of people that do. Still- like I say- I'd be grateful of that... Chances are- the people that we hate living as today will die with our mortal bodies. If we do happen to be recycled- we'll likely not realise it. Maybe it will take us slightly longer next time to realise that we hate life.

Lastly, there likely will be an end to it sometime- either AI or nuclear war or a meteorite or simply that we kill off the planet entirely. I think humans may well become extinct someday- in which case- you could become an animal (with maybe less self awareness) or some higher being that has better prospects of living a good life.

Probably not much there intelligent to reassure you but wanted to leave you with this for a giggle: (Or maybe not- depends if you like Ricky Gervais)

 

[onceuponadec]

I'm sorry to say that I do believe in reincarnation. However, I believe it's a choice you can stay wherever drives we go next after death or you can choose to come back or you could even stay in that wonderful place for hundreds of years and decided to give earth another go. It's all about the choice, though, you can stay, or you can come back.

 

[Worndown]

We are not like an aluminum can, recycled after use and a new can gets created. We are a complicated living being. When we are done, we are done. I guess we get recycled too but in a biological way.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm sorry to say that I do believe in reincarnation. However, I believe it's a choice you can stay wherever drives we go next after death or you can choose to come back or you could even stay in that wonderful place for hundreds of years and decided to give earth another go. It's all about the choice, though, you can stay, or you can come back.

I've heard elsewhere that it's choice- that we chose to be born (my first wrong decision right there...)

Makes a kind of sense if this other waiting area is utterly boring- and you perceive the passage of time in a similar way... Maybe we come here just to make SOMETHING happen- good or bad...

Still- I'm curious. Do you think there is a goal to it then? Are we supposed to learn certain things by living these lives? To what end?

I don't mean to criticise your beliefs. I'm just curious... If we are supposed to be improving ourselves and learning things- why do most of us forget our past lives? Or- is it not about working up to living THE perfect life but a series of lessons in each lifetime?

 

[Unending]

I was fearful of this for a while but as of right now, I feel like I'm just going to conclude what I can with what I currently understand from a scientific angle. If consciousness exists within our brain, which functions like a sort of organic computer, and it goes away when our brain becomes inactive, then I imagine that death resembles something similar to sleep.

I keep telling myself that I want to study this more to put my mind at rest concerning fears of the afterlife and reincarnation but ultimately keep forgetting to research it. Overall, I think that with science not having some 100% proven answer to what happens after death, it makes sense to draw conclusions beyond reasonable doubt for now.

 

[UKscotty]

Reincarnation and such is impossible. Religion was made up nonsense in the dark ages .

 

[SamTam33]

If you believe in reincarnation and the afterlife, then it's going to happen whenever you die, right?

So if you don't ctb, then you're not avoiding it - you're just delaying it.

Secondly, people who espouse such occurrences should have to produce the studies that make it true.

In science, there's a process to transfer a thought (hypothesis) into a relative fact (theory). There are steps. Experiments you have to conduct and document before you can claim something as true.

Don't just claim that the moon affects the tides. Prove it.

But with religious and spiritual concepts, the burden of proof is removed.

And you have to ask yourself why.

 

[deadliftEnjoyer]

Calm down, IF reincarnation is real, your next body may have a healthier brain and you won't hate existence like you do now

 

[SeenMoreThanEnough]

I want to be done with this shit but I can't shake the feeling that I'll just be born again as someone else and suffer through a brand new set of awful conditions. By reincarnation I mean two different things, either

A) I kill myself and then my mind is untethered and just floats around in the Astral creating/graviting towards whatever is playing out in my deep mind (like a bad psychedelic trip)

B) there's no mystical afterlife at all and I'm just born again as something else randomly. We're born once why wouldn't it happen again after an infinitely long period of time? And you can't experience nothingness so it would fly instantly until life happens again

These thoughts plague me and make me feel like I'm fucking stuck in experience forever with no escape. This is traumatizing me right now as I feel like I'm utterly trapped in this flesh grinder existence. I'd love if someone can break this logic for me so i can feel like I will be released soon

No one can debunk the unknowable, and you will never receive an affirming, satisfactory answer via this forum, or any forum. You are asking way, WAY too much, but I will do my best to answer.

Everyone and everything is disposable and recyclable. We aren't special simply because we have the 'gift' of consciousness and intelligence. You will decay, just as the millions of generations did before you. You aren't special, you aren't unique -- WE aren't special, WE aren't unique -- we just are.

When I was a child, my father asked me to fetch a box under the house. When I did, I discovered the box - but in said box were thousands of dead, dried out yellow jackets whom had died in the previous winter. They weren't special -- the just were. Millions of years of evolution, one generation after the next, had brought them there.

We are no different.

We are born. We reproduce. We experience life. We suffer. Some of us die earlier than we should for reasons we can be blamed for, or for no reason at all.. Some of us do great things. Most do not.

Nothing is waiting for you on the other side. Tired of this realm? Do it. Posting here for affirmation is not the answer.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

It does not seem to be any evidence for reincarnation

 

[makethepainstop]

I hope to god reincarnation is so. I wanna come back big blond blue eyed, into a well monied family that loves me and a Dad that loves me,(but will whup my butt when I get out of line). And trust me there has never been a more rebellious, uppity, cockey, teenage boy than me.

 

[henikova]

You definitely can't remember anything of the 13.7 billion years before your birth... Billions of living creatures were here before you, millions of animals and humans experienced similar conditions like the one you are experiencing now... Yet, you can't recall anything from those experiences. In a short time we all will join the company of those long forgotten beings. And everything you think, dream, experience now will be permanently erased.
Will there be other beings after you that will experience their own environment? Sure. Will any of those beings care about you? Nope.
The idea of reincarnation in its religious form... i.e. souls flying from bodies to bodies... or waiting in heaven to be reborn like patients sitting in the waiting room of a dentist... That's a silly idea.
Consciousness as a product of evolution and a result of heavy neural computation will pop up over and over again where the physical conditions and biological needs will be given. But none of those will be you.

 

[Red-Eyed-and-Blue]

I know my words may not mean much, but I am fairly certain that reincarnation, or anything after-life related, is not real. It's literally something made up by humans. Why do populations rise and fall? As the human population has grown over the past few thousand years, where have those souls come from? Where could they have been reincarnated from? It's all clearly bullshit, IMO

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

Everything that we are, boils down to a series of electrical signals firing around your brain. Those signals are unique to each individual. When the body dies, those signals die too. There's no magic to bring that back.
My only belief is this. When you die, your body doesn't go to waste. It feeds the earth, insects etc. which then go on to feed flowers or animals etc. and on and on it goes. In that respect, life continues, but for the person in question, it's very much over.

 

[henikova]

Everything that we are, boils down to a series of electrical signals firing around your brain. Those signals are unique to each individual. When the body dies, those signals die too. There's no magic to bring that back.
My only belief is this. When you die, your body doesn't go to waste. It feeds the earth, insects etc. which then go on to feed flowers or animals etc. and on and on it goes. In that respect, life continues, but for the person in question, it's very much over.

What's more... At the moment you are built up from atoms that were parts of unimaginable number of living things. Many of them met in other bodies over the millions of years. Many of them met in you for the first time ever. The continuous flow of these materials and the ever evolving genetical code are wonderful and miraculous enough even without silly concepts like souls and reincarnation.

 

[Himalayan]

Why does it even matter?