Discussion Are we safe?

[Ivenocare]

This is unfortunate, I really hope this place stays... It is the only place we can talk about our true emotions without getting cliches...

 

[NoOneKnows]

I would probably just add that MOST of those visiting this sites have

Again, a perfectly acceptable grieving response, it's not personal, it's raw emotion

The grieving process did not even start, I believe it was the day she passed out her mother immediately started the blame game writing publicly msg about this site s "darkness " or whatever...
Sorry ,in first paragraph I wanted to write - I would add MOST of those visiting this site have undergone years of treatments ,often to little (temporary) or no avail

 

[Tally]

I would probably just add that MOST of those visiting this sites have

The grieving process did not even start, I believe it was the day she passed out her mother immediately started the blame game writing publicly msg about this site s "darkness " or whatever...
Sorry ,in first paragraph I wanted to write - I would add MOST of those visiting this site have undergone years of treatments ,often to little (temporary) or no avail

How can say she hadn't started grieving?

 

[Johnnythefox]

I would be inclined to agree with what is written on this, anyone who has experienced great loss would likely agree.

 

[Soul]

Kakabushi was dead when her mother found her blue and not breathing. I'm sure it was dreadfully distressing, probably compounded by the fact that Kakabushi had written about her mother sleeping just down the hall. On her fb page the mother refers to herself as a life coach helping others be healthy and happy. Kakabushi didn't fit that agenda and the mother must be having a huge struggle with her own self-image and remorse on top of her grief. No wonder she wants to blame someone else.

I wish the family greater understanding.

 

[NoOneKnows]

How can say she hadn't started grieving?

still in a state of shock
@LastFlowers has worded it perfectly in her post

 

[Tortured_empath]

I was thinking of creating a thread to give members the ability to tell how SS has helped them, to at least challenge the narrative that this is a sadistic/evil site for any visitors, and to make them able to see another perspective. Would it be relevant? I mean it there would definitely be some survivor's bias but still...

 

[omoidarui]

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read the first one as "DENTAL" instead of Denial for a minute .. was like 'dental grief, i've had tht o.o'

 

[Johnnythefox]

read the first one as "DENTAL" instead of Denial for a minute .. was like 'dental grief, i've had tht o.o'

 

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

I was thinking of creating a thread to give members the ability to tell how SS has helped them, to at least challenge the narrative that this is a sadistic/evil site for any visitors, and to make them able to see another perspective. Would it be relevant? I mean it there would definitely be some survivor's bias but still...

Well intended but likely useless. People often fixate their mind on their belief systems when it comes to issues such as this. Think of the amount of people trying to reverse Roe vs. Wade (basis of abortion laws) all these years later. Several states have recently been successful in banning abortion. They have no care about the amount of people that will be hurt. They only care about "winning" according to their point of view.

 

[GeorgeJL]

The legality surrounding the question of suicide is a question of. - Do people have the sovereign right to their own bodies and minds or do others and government have the right to coerce us against our own self determination?

The answer to that question is self evident.

Also by the news broadcast showing and reading the texts from this website someone suicidal could easily just put those words in quotes into google and find this website and commit suicide, all from just showing those texts.

 

[maka]

This just makes me want to ctb faster because without this site, my confusion and rage will ultimately push me to the edge if I don't have anyone to talk to about it.

 

[The Whale]

I'm not surprised. I was sure this kind of situation would have happened sooner or later. I can understand why the family thinks we're responsible for her death, but they're not attacking to the real problem. The real problem is the lost, lonely and suffering feeling their daughter has been through. Why did she talk to us instead of talking to them ? Because she could communicate it better with us. After all, we don't really know the family nor the user and that's why I won't speculate much. I don't think they can't do anything against us, since it's not a "solid evidence".

 

[Superfluous]

I'd just like to address the original question from the OP: Are we safe?

From the Rules & FAQ:

-Will the site ever close? Should I worry?
Our website is legal, it does not encourage suicide and all information provided is for educational purposes. Our servers are offshore, and we have taken precautions to avoid issues that could arise. Please don't create panic by making threads about this.

 

[WolfgangA]

Hear Ye Hear Ye ... I hereby decree this "Modern day witch hunt".

The Hunter: Coalition of pro-life, fear-mongers, god-mongers, anti-freedom & my personal add-on pro-slavery.
The Haunted: Freedom itself, pro-choice, right to choose.

 

[WinterIsComing]

Kakabushi was dead when her mother found her blue and not breathing. I'm sure it was dreadfully distressing, probably compounded by the fact that Kakabushi had written about her mother sleeping just down the hall. On her fb page the mother refers to herself as a life coach helping others be healthy and happy. Kakabushi didn't fit that agenda and the mother must be having a huge struggle with her own self-image and remorse on top of her grief. No wonder she wants to blame someone else.

I wish the family greater understanding.

It may be like damage control? People know her as coach so she is directing the fault to others as a way to mantain the credibility on her bussines and giving a good image by doing the "positive thing"...

Who knows

 

[Rachel]

I'd just like to address the original question from the OP: Are we safe?

From the Rules & FAQ:

Yeah pretty sure I got in trouble last summer due to asking something similar. I was just curious as to if something could happen since previous suicide forums had been shut down

 

[Mstrflshr]

It may be like damage control? People know her as coach so she is directing the fault to others as a way to mantain the credibility on her bussines and giving a good image by doing the "positive thing"...

Who knows

Turns out you are on to something! She edited her page and removed the "happy coach" thingy. She clearly reads stuff here. Ignores the responses about the good and keeps pushing that ss is "evil".

 

[Kaladin]

I feel like this whole matter should be forgotten. We already gave it too much attention.

 

[Johnnythefox]

I think others have pretty much covered everything, however I understand that kakabushi's main source of unhappiness was her workplace. A quick search on Google gives an insight into what it's like to work for Amazon, this one here is particularly eye opening.

Newsweek WORKING AT AMAZON: 189 SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, MENTAL HEALTH EPISODES REPORTEDLY TOOK PLACE OVER FIVE YEARS

I think the report speaks for itself.

 

[Alchemist]

I feel like this whole matter should be forgotten. We already gave it too much attention.

It would be nice to forget about it, but these nasty people are spewing their awful narrative non-stop unchallenged. They love playing the victims when they were more like victimaries and since we are on a small corner, their twisted version gets all the spotlight with not a single person even spreading our side of the story, so the public opinion is as one-sided as it can get.

 

[Roger]

I think others have pretty much covered everything, however I understand that kakabushi's main source of unhappiness was her workplace. A quick search on Google gives an insight into what it's like to work for Amazon, this one here is particularly eye opening.

Newsweek WORKING AT AMAZON: 189 SUICIDE ATTEMPTS, MENTAL HEALTH EPISODES REPORTEDLY TOOK PLACE OVER FIVE YEARS

I think the report speaks for itself.

The report doesn't differentiate between completed attempts, failed attempts, nor other sort of "episode." Nor does it tell us the size of the group. And it is over a five year period (so on average less than 40 per annum). And it is a fact that suicides are more prevalent in the lower socioeconomic orders.
So the report doesn't really tell us much.

 

[Johnnythefox]

The report doesn't differentiate between completed attempts, failed attempts, nor other sort of "episode." Nor does it tell us the size of the group. And it is over a five year period (so on average less than 40 per annum). And it is a fact that suicides are more prevalent in the lower socioeconomic orders.
So the report doesn't really tell us much.

I only used it as an example of Amazon's record regarding working conditions, there are plenty more out there.

 

[Roger]

I only used it as an example of Amazon's record regarding working conditions, there are plenty more out there.

Fair enough. I tend to look critically at any statistics.

 

[Soul]

It would be nice to forget about it, but these nasty people are spewing their awful narrative non-stop unchallenged. They love playing the victims when they were more like victimaries and since we are on a small corner, their twisted version gets all the spotlight with not a single person even spreading our side of the story, so the public opinion is as one-sided as it can get.

Are you on FB? Someone might do well to contact the tv journalist to point out that there's another point of view. @LastFlowers wrote a very eloquent post; maybe she'd agree to share it with that journalist.

 

[Alchemist]

Fair enough. I tend to look critically at any statistics.

Sadly I don't, but I'm aware of what they say. A shame most of us have ditched social media since they can just give their version and I really doubt the person who wrote the article will even listen tocthe other version of the events.

We are as voice as in the real real world, that's why this bullies want to end our only safe space. They are just sadists who enjoy watching us suffer in the name of their pro-life narrative. They're no better than torturers.

 

[Alan James]

She wrote that: "The main reason I want to kill myself is because of work".

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/fuck-work.14859/

 

[ImpendingExit45]

It would be nice to forget about it, but these nasty people are spewing their awful narrative non-stop unchallenged. They love playing the victims when they were more like victimaries and since we are on a small corner, their twisted version gets all the spotlight with not a single person even spreading our side of the story, so the public opinion is as one-sided as it can get.

They lost their loved one. There is nothing to "challenge". We aren't in some PR battle looking for public favor. We are here for support - it's definitely crossing the line when you are personally attacking loved ones of one of our members who committed suicide.

This is being way blown out of proportion. I don't understand what is so wrong with continuing on as normal - I don't understand the need to go after family members that are looking for any potential answer for her decision. Suicide isn't easy for anyone - us members should understand that more than anyone, and it's really frustrating to see the callousness in how some are talking about the family.

They are trying to find a way to cope. One ABC news article is not going to shut this forum down - perpetuating this issue by continuing to go after her family will do far more harm. And at the end of the day, while I don't want to speak for Kakabushi or pretend to know her circumstances, I would guess that she probably wouldn't want members of this forum attacking her loved ones as "nasty people".

Just chill out. No one here encouraged or aided in her decision, and that is well-established. We have nothing to worry about, so please quit adding to the fire.

 

[spanishguy22]

She wrote that: "The main reason I want to kill myself is because of work".

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/fuck-work.14859/

Honestly I doubt that's the actual reason. She must have had prior mental issues already that led her there. But it probably was the icing in the cake. Her mom, the happy coach, and the one who was supposed to raise her daughter the right way, probably pressured her to work there against her will, as she was living with her. Her poor baby ego can't take the blame of the loss of her daughter, so she rather pass it on to strangers who literally did nothing to cause her to kill herself.

 

[ImpendingExit45]

Yea, this is enough for me. I've found a lot of good in this forum, and it's been very helpful, but this situation has shown many on this forum to be no more understanding of tragedy and pain than anyone else in the world. The callousness in how many of you have attacked the family is appalling to me, and proof that I need to bow out from the forum much sooner than my bus ride.

I hope you all find peace. This forum has been of great help and support to me, and I thank you all for that.