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All these celebrities managed to do it....
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After somebody on this board proposed the use of a chainsaw I simply had to Google chainsaw suicides to see if it had ever been done before. I was surprised to find that it had. Suicide by pen has also been done -- both pen to heart & pen to brain (via eye socket).
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Who do you want to believe? There's a truth but perhaps one that we'll ever know. Amy took that with her. Me, I think it was as damned near suicide as makes no difference - she wanted a release, an out, and was looking for it.
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They probably struggled with this for many years aswell. Robin Williams had been struggling with depression and addiction for many years. Add dementia to the picture and I can well imagine his sense of urgency must have been enormous.
An alternative explanation is that in order to become succesful in competitive fields one must possess a strong will. This greatly helps in CTB too: in fact it's vital in order to succeed.
I think it's well established that it's not the technical aspect of CTB that's the problem for most people: it's the will. Either one has a natural knack for this or one grows so desperate the will to live is eroded enough to give way to self-destruction.
When these celeb suicides are reported, you don't know just how messy and/or painful those suicides were. News reports are usually vague on such things, sometimes not even reporting the method. You sometimes read "no suspicious circumstances" or "no futher investigations" and assume it's suicide.
People on this forum are generally eager to avoid pain and mess (in a sense, that's WHY we're here) and consequently we may spend more time researching methods. I won't say it's easy to reach for a gun and blow your brains out but if you have a gun and you're doped/boozed up then it might be more of an impulse thing than anything considered. A news report generally won't indicate things like that - you just read of the end result 'x is dead'.
Access to resources is a big factor I'd guess, and money facilitates easier access. But also consider people with access to, for instance, pharmaceutical grade drugs (people like doctors, vets, paramedics, nurses, etc etc) - I'd guess they number highly in the list of suicides... just because it's 'easier' for them to get the stuff to do it. Perhaps ditto for people with acess to guns (police, military, etc)...
People like me (and maybe you), we can't lay our hands on the resources readily. We don't have the direct access to them, or know someone - or can pay someone - that does. So we have to read up, find the methods which both work and feasible for us.
Imo, there's millions who live on the streets or who turn into monsters and end up in prison because of suicidal depression who really just want to die but can't get the job done.
Tabloids, exploit those who fall from grace, depression isn't something people want to advertise, so perhaps entertainers get tired of always wearing the mask.
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I love it when people who have more money than god do it. If I had enough money to just get plastic surgery, new identity and just go live a lonely life someplace, I would.
I think whenever no body is found, someone faked and got a new life.
Celebrity is such a strange life, I can't imagine some don't long to escape it. I bet Britney goes next.
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I'm convinced Michael Jackson is still alive - he had practiced "hiding in plain sight" before, and certainly had the resources and the reasons for a do-over.
That little list of famous people who succeeded at partial suspension is puzzling, though. They could've used their connections to get any easy-exit drug they wanted, and instead used a method that people here find difficult to get right. It is indeed puzzling. The only explanation I can think of is that the people who post here about having trouble with it are a very small proportion of the people who try it - that most people *are* successful, and just don't post about it.
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I need a method that will work for me. Aside from the fear re hanging, I know it's unlikely that I would get the knots right etc. Kate Spade as a designer probably made a neat knot. I read men are often more successful than woman, as they go for more effective methods. Women often opt for pills. I'm seeking the effective pill method!
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I need a method that will work for me. Aside from the fear re hanging, I know it's unlikely that I would get the knots right etc. Kate Spade as a designer probably made a neat knot. I read men are often more successful than woman, as they go for more effective methods. Women often opt for pills. I'm seeking the effective pill method!
I just can't understand one thing: All these celebrities had successfully CTB. Anthony Bourdain, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, L'Wren Scott.......
Here we are, twisting our brains into pretzels, trying to figure out how to do it successfully.....We spent hours and hours researching it, contributing to forums, giving tips and support etc. They just go and do it. So what do they know that we don't know?! What to they know that we don't know?! Scratching my head.....
With celebrities and high profile people officials do sometimes seem to cover up the true cause of death and make it sound like an accident. Like with Heath Ledger they claimed he accidentally overdosed on sleeping pills. How can you accidentally overdose? He even left a note. And Corey Haim, he officially died from an infection due to drug overdose. He was severly depressed, talked of being lonely all the time, regretted by Hollywood, had only like 1K to his name when he died. And Brad Renfro who died of a Heroine overdose but who was also suffering from years of depression and addition, they basically shoot up until they die.
I'm convinced Whitney Huston committed suicide by getting drunk and doing drugs before taking a bath but her death was not ruled a suicide. Whitney was such a great artist, so missed. Her daughter likely committed suicide but that too was ruled as "undermined".
Another celebrity recently drowned herself in the swimming pool but that was an obvious suicide with the weights and all. They couldn't cover that up.
On another note:
I just read a story where a police lieutenant Joseph Gliniewicz but went to the extent of reporting a fake suspect pursuit was fake suspects and creating a fake homide crime scene. CSI figured it out eventually but I can only assume he did that to either protect his family from shame, protect his reputation, fear of incarceration, or for some insurance reasons.
Read the story of the rich Rebecca Zahau who committed suide by taping her feet together, hands behind her back and then hanging herself naked from her balcony. The jury said she must have been murdered but the police crime scene analysts are certain she actually did this herself and proved how she did it as a way to go after her ex boyfriend. The whole story is bizare and complicated.
I think celebrities and high profile people just have an easier time because they have better access to the resources to do it particularly prescription and illicit drugs
The thing that separates a person to follow through and commit suicide is the ability to let go. That's what so many people lack in their own ways. Either they are too scared for the pain or what's to come after death. I know I could just use my rope and tie to a tree and fully hang and that would be the end of me if I wanted it that bad. Instead I'm trying partial and realize I'm not going in 100% and holding back cause it's so hard to just let go.
If you want inspiration (or just to feel inferior) you could look at the ways children have CTB. Like a 6-year-old girl who hung herself, being the youngest suicide that I could find. Or the 15-year-old Russian boy who cut off his head with a chainsaw. Or there was a 12-year-old girl who ordered an Uber before her parents got up and took it to a parking garage where she jumped to her death.
With celebrities and high profile people officials do sometimes seem to cover up the true cause of death and make it sound like an accident. Like with Heath Ledger they claimed he accidentally overdosed on sleeping pills. How can you accidentally overdose? He even left a note. And Corey Haim, he officially died from an infection due to drug overdose. He was severly depressed, talked of being lonely all the time, regretted by Hollywood, had only like 1K to his name when he died. And Brad Renfro who died of a Heroine overdose but who was also suffering from years of depression and addition, they basically shoot up until they die.
I'm convinced Whitney Huston committed suicide by getting drunk and doing drugs before taking a bath but her death was not ruled a suicide. Whitney was such a great artist, so missed. Her daughter likely committed suicide but that too was ruled as "undermined".
Another celebrity recently drowned herself in the swimming pool but that was an obvious suicide with the weights and all. They couldn't cover that up.
On another note:
I just read a story where a police lieutenant Joseph Gliniewicz but went to the extent of reporting a fake suspect pursuit was fake suspects and creating a fake homide crime scene. CSI figured it out eventually but I can only assume he did that to either protect his family from shame, protect his reputation, fear of incarceration, or for some insurance reasons.
Read the story of the rich Rebecca Zahau who committed suide by taping her feet together, hands behind her back and then hanging herself naked from her balcony. The jury said she must have been murdered but the police crime scene analysts are certain she actually did this herself and proved how she did it as a way to go after her ex boyfriend. The whole story is bizare and complicated.
I think celebrities and high profile people just have an easier time because they have better access to the resources to do it particularly prescription and illicit drugs
My life has always sucked too, but for the first 30 years I never considered suicide. Seems I was delusional for decades and always thought that the future would be better. Also guess that when life sucks you get so used to it sucking that you fail to even realize just how much it sucks. Sucking becomes your idea of normal.
My life has always sucked too, but for the first 30 years I never considered suicide. Seems I was delusional for decades and always thought that the future would be better. Also guess that when life sucks you get so used to it sucking that you fail to even realize just how much it sucks. Sucking becomes your idea of normal.
Wendy whatsherface once asked Whitney if she would ever contemplate suicide (subsequent to the infamous Diane Sawyer interview) and her answer was an angry, "hell naw!".
Also with the circumstances I recall surrounding her death I'm extremely doubtful it was deliberate... the autopsy said she stepped into a bathtub full of scalding hot water, happened to faint (due to some combination of factors including drugs, underlying medical history, delayed response to pain after immersion into boiling water?), hit her head on the way down as she collapsed and drowned. By this forum's standards of unreliability, on a scale of 1 to apple seeds this method would've had to be up there.
As I understand it she had completely ruined her health with narcotics (crack among other things). Alcohol poisoning alone will likely not be effective for most people.
It's clear her lifestyle predestined her for an early death but I wonder if she consciously wanted to die that day.
Also guess that when life sucks you get so used to it sucking that you fail to even realize just how much it sucks. Sucking becomes your idea of normal.
Very true. It's one of the key reasons why most people are born optimists: no matter how bad life gets they adjust to it mentally and it becomes as you said the new normal. Which is why poor people usually won't die by suicide while the rich who suddenly become poor have a far greater chance of dying that way.
Imo it's also the reason why concentration camp inmates overwhelmingly did not even attempt suicide even though their situation was clearly and objectively hopeless. Kudos to them of course and I understand not wanting to let the scum win at all costs but it doesn't seem very reasonable to continue living when life has become so incredibly grim, painful and hopeless and you're surrounded on all sides by death, hatred and violence. A quick death vs. months to years of unbearable suffering with the near certainty of dying anyway. I think I'd prefer to do it myself instead of at the vile hands of a swine in human form. Of course that's easy to say and am thankful such a monstrosity did not occur in my lifetime, yet anyway.
Another reason is that people adopt the standard of those around them: if everybody in the neighbourhood is poor that's much easier to bear than if you're the only one, especially if it happened suddenly.
MUMBAI: Actor Kushal Punjabi, 37, who appeared in films such as ‘Kaal’ and ‘Lakshya’ as well as the television reality show ‘Fear Factor’, was found dead in his flat in Bandra (west) late on Thursday.
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