A thorough story on Shawn Shatto

[Roger]

If we are truly Pro Choice then it is sine qua non that we should be able to accommodate all different views, including those of Ms Shatto's mum.

We don't have to agree, but we can demur with dignity, and with the compassion and tolerance due to any bereaved mother.

 

[Vegrau]

If we are truly Pro Choice then it is sine qua non that we should be able to accommodate all different views, including those of Ms Shatto's mum.

We don't have to agree, but we can demur with dignity, and with the compassion and tolerance due to any bereaved mother.

Nuh nuh nuh. You missed the whole point of pro choice and free speech. This is just delicious. Mmm mmm mmm. You do know that we are free to disagree with each other right? You do know that we are allowed to criticize each other right? The shit mom present her view and we present ours. This is free speech and people are free to go with her view. No one is stopping anyone. We are criticizing it. We are ridiculing it. We are within our rights to do that. I disagree with her and I dont pity her. Thats my opinion. If people disagree with that. Well too bad then. I can have my own view. I dont need to care about what they think. She is an adult she have all the right to her own body. Her own life and death. She made that decision and we should respect her choice to die and people who disagree can just f themselves. I am not here to change anyone's view. I am here to voice mine. Like how the mother voice her.

Also we are pro choice. We dont limit others. We dont force other to follow our view either. We dont force other to live. We dont force other to die. We listen. We talk. We are discussing it. Just because it doesnt follow your boo hoo its not what I want "notion". Doesnt mean its not. Get your head out of yourself.

 

[Fadinglife]

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Thanks @Marquis for the reply...I dont blame anybody ...

It breaks my heart when ppl as young as 18 year olds are self-harming themselves and plan to CTB...How is somebody in process of actively harm themselves mentally capable?

Maybe you could just filter some cases and report them to the police?

Dont want to mention concrete cases but could send you PM...

Perhaps they are facing abuse badly and self harming is a way of control and emotional release. You want to report anyone without knowing them well to police. What they need is a trust. Make them feel safe, not judged, secure and accepted. These things so long way. It would make them open up then you can reach them to have any other conversation. Calling police on them would make them more volatile and in desperation they may commit ctb or harm themselves very badly. Is that better?

 

[262653]

Oh look, we're in the news! *waves the hand*
I have to admit it's quite refreshing to read what outsiders think of this forum. Also I realize that that news article doesn't necessary reflect the personal views of an author/publisher.
Have you also noticed that news don't talk about suicide cases without mentioning depression/anxiety/mental health? And a classy photo of a smiling person for contrast. "She was fine and dandy. See what depression made her do?"

"The disclaimer also urged anyone feeling suicidal to call a suicide hotline, but also warned that some people may be involuntarily committed to a mental health facility if they do so."

I love the subtleties of a language, especially here. How "but" instead of "and" gave the following message a negative connotation, because it is commonly assumed that giving suicidals a hotline is a good thing. And these tricks are everywhere, even in my message. I even used "even" to point that I'm one of the last who would attempt to use language to manipulate you.

 

[Rukia]

Perhaps they are facing abuse badly and self harming is a way of control and emotional release. You want to report anyone without knowing them well to police. What they need is a trust. Make them feel safe, not judged, secure and accepted. These things so long way. It would make them open up then you can reach them to have any other conversation. Calling police on them would make them more volatile and in desperation they may commit ctb or harm themselves very badly. Is that better?

It is just speculation it will make them more volatile...If they are facing bad abuse one more reason some external help should be called...Sometimes there is no time to wait for them to open up because they plan drastic action soon...

 

[jake3d]

If they are facing bad abuse one more reason some external help should be called...

For some people calling "external help" will only pave the road to even more abuse. There are some very disfunctional cultures on this planet. I myself had no idea of the amount of suffering that exists in the world before I got in such a bad place as to find this forum.

 

[Vegrau]

People here talk like others are incapable of making their own choice. They can and they will. So grow up and respect the choices of others. Stop acting like childrens where everything have to go your way. Life have no meaning neither are death. To live and die are but a whim. If people choose to die let them die. If people choose to live let them live. You dont get to decide it for them. You dont get to speculate about their private lives. Youre not part of their lives. Youre just a stranger. Know your place. Their lives are not for your amusement nor for you to speculate. Disgusting.

If you want someone to live on then stick to your words and help them. Do something about it. Do it. Because you want them to. Its what you want. Then take responsibility for your own words with actions to back it up. If not just shut up. Shut the f up. We dont need that half ass :

"oh I am so sorry for you. Things might get better for you. I am not sure. But dont die on me because I dont want that on my conscience. But at the same time I cant do anything for you. So good luck on your own. Bye"

If you do that to others then f you.

Also those who support others who choose to end their lives must also bear the weight that someone died because of you.

So ffs. Leave people alone to their own choices. We are capable of making our own decisions. We dont need people like you to tell us what we should and should not do. You dont know anything about our lives. You dont have the right to speculate about it.

 

[Fadinglife]

It is just speculation it will make them more volatile...If they are facing bad abuse one more reason some external help should be called...Sometimes there is no time to wait for them to open up because they plan drastic action soon...

You have no idea what you are talking about. I am speaking from experience and this is not a speculation. People facing abuse first need to feel safe.
Since you know nothing, further texts don't warrant a response.

 

[Shamana]

People here talk like others are incapable of making their own choice. They can and they will. So grow up and respect the choices of others. Stop acting like childrens where everything have to go your way. Life have no meaning neither are death. To live and die are but a whim. If people choose to die let them die. If people choose to live let them live. You dont get to decide it for them. You dont get to speculate about their private lives. Youre not part of their lives. Youre just a stranger. Know your place. Their lives are not for your amusement nor for you to speculate. Disgusting.

If you want someone to live on then stick to your words and help them. Do something about it. Do it. Because you want them to. Its what you want. Then take responsibility for your own words with actions to back it up. If not just shut up. Shut the f up. We dont need that half ass :

"oh I am so sorry for you. Things might get better for you. I am not sure. But dont die on me because I dont want that on my conscience. But at the same time I cant do anything for you. So good luck on your own. Bye"

If you do that to others then f you.

Also those who support others who choose to end their lives must also bear the weight that someone died because of you.

So ffs. Leave people alone to their own choices. We are capable of making our own decisions. We dont need people like you to tell us what we should and should not do. You dont know anything about our lives. You dont have the right to speculate about it.

You seem pretty entitled to spreading your opinion when you tell people to shut the fuck up. There is immense hypocrisy in that. I don't share your view of life being inherently meaningless and I'm perfectly entitled to share my opinon on that.

 

[Vegrau]

You seem pretty entitled to spreading your opinion when you tell people to shut the fuck up. There is immense hypocrisy in that. I don't share your view of life being inherently meaningless and I'm perfectly entitled to share my opinon on that.

Hahahaha omg I never realize youre that kind of person. Did it offend you? Did my words hit a nerve? I guess you must be the kind I am referring to then. I didnt drop any name or said anything about anyone. I dont remember referring to you out of all people. I am just saying hypocritical people should shut up and stop speculating in things they dont know. Those who can only talk and talk but never live up to their words. Those kind of people should shut up and leave others to their choice and right. But here youre offended by it. It speaks alot about what kind of person you are. You just admit to everyone who you really are. Also stop taking my words out of context. Like an uneducated thing. Its beneath you. I had such high hope for you. If youre cherry picking things that hard your fingers must be tired. You should get some rest.

 

[Shamana]

Hahahaha omg I never realize youre that kind of person. Did it offend you? Did my words hit a nerve? I guess you must be the kind I am referring to then. I didnt drop any name or said anything about anyone. I dont remember referring to you out of all people. I am just saying hypocritical people should shut up and stop speculating in things they dont know. Those who can only talk and talk but never live up to their words. Those kind of people should shut up and leave others to their choice and right. But here youre offended by it. It speaks alot about what kind of person you are. Disgusting filth. Talking to you is beneath me. You just admit to everyone who you really are.

And what am I then?

 

[Fadinglife]

You seem pretty entitled to spreading your opinion when you tell people to shut the fuck up. There is immense hypocrisy in that. I don't share your view of life being inherently meaningless and I'm perfectly entitled to share my opinon on that.

Ironic. Isn't it? He is entitled to his opinion as well and he isn't responding to you. You jumped on bandwagon and took a personal jab on him/her about preaching his/her views when infact you are one the doing the very same thing here quite often.

 

[Vegrau]

And what am I then?

Awww I am sure you can read what I wrote. Youre an educated person right? Or is it that you dont know how to read? I already said it in my two previous comments. So go look it up. I am sure its stilllllll there. Also you have been taking my words out of context. Those cherry picking might had tire you out if you missed something that obvious. Also I am not even talking to you or referring to you in anyway. Why the offense? Why jump forward and admit it yourself? Hahahaha

 

[Shamana]

Ironic. Isn't it? He is entitled his opinion as well and he isn't responding to you. You jumped on bandwagon and took a personal jab on him/her about preaching his/her views when infact you are one the doing the very same thing here quite often.

I do find it pretty hypocritical to go around telling people to shut the fuck up while spreading his own opinions. I debate other people's opinions without telling them to shut up.

 

[Vegrau]

Ironic. Isn't it? He is entitled his opinion as well and he isn't responding to you. You jumped on bandwagon and took a personal jab on him/her about preaching his/her views when infact you are one the doing the very same thing here quite often.

Reminded me of a proverb. People can see an ant across the river but cannot see the elephant in front of their nose.

 

[Shamana]

Awww I am sure you can read what I wrote. Youre an educated person right? Or is it that you dont know how to read? I already said it in my two previous comments. So go look it up. I am sure its stilllllll there. Also you have been taking my words out of context. Those cherry picking might had tire you out if you missed something that obvious. Also I am not even talking to you or referring to you in anyway. Why the offense? Why jump forward and admit it yourself? Hahahaha

I'm obviously too uneducated to see that comment. I would say that i'm a suicidal buddhist and I would hazard a guess that you are a suicidal atheistic nihilist. Let's debate without telling people to shut the fuck up shouldn't we?

 

[Vegrau]

I do find it pretty hypocritical to go around telling people to shut the fuck up while spreading his own opinions. I debate other people's opinions without telling them to shut up.

Oh really did you even get the context? I really wonder if you can even read at all at this point. I am very concern about your mental health and your eyesight right now if you even manage to take my words out of context like that or missed it. Maybe you should get a doctor to look at your eyes or maybe rest earlier today.

 

[Throwaway9787]

Be civil pls

 

[Vegrau]

I'm obviously too uneducated to see that comment. I would say that i'm a suicidal buddhist and I would hazard a guess that you are a suicidal atheistic nihilist. Let's debate without telling people to shut the fuck up shouldn't we?

Aww dont worry I wont hold it against you then. If Ai speak liek zhes whill zit mnake zit eazier fhor zyou to uandearstand me? Maybe you should get back to school. Though I wont wait for you.

P.s I dont care what kind of person you are. Since its none of my business. Just respect other people's right. Dont lie. Dont be hypocritical.

 

[Fadinglife]

I do find it pretty hypocritical to go around telling people to shut the fuck up while spreading his own opinions. I debate other people's opinions without telling them to shut up.

I don't see you as any more righteous. You appear patronizing, judgemental and sometimes dismissive. He doesn't sound like a preacher, he appears as someone who has had enough from people with their empty platitudes and have no more strength to bear the non sense, positive pep talks or just world fallacy. After seeing his posts as his as well yours, you are the one preaching. It is annoying.

 

[Shamana]

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I don't see you as any more righteous. You appear patronizing, judgemental and sometimes dismissive. He doesn't sound like a preacher, he appears as someone who has had enough from people from their empty platitudes and have no more strength to bear the non sense, positive pep talks or just world fallacy. After seeing his posts as his as well yours, you are the one preaching. It is annoying.

I am opinionated and fallible for sure. Personally think a lot of people on this forum are preaching. Not just those monsters who drift towards being pro-life. TBH when a member wrote me that he had decided not to commit suicide and pursue alternative treatment, I got a sick sadistic satisfaction that a young adult decided to give life another chance. It's quite obvious that I should be banned.

 

[Fadinglife]

I am opinionated and fallible for sure. Personally think a lot of people on this forum are preaching. Not just those monsters who drift towards being pro-life. TBH when a member wrote me that he had decided not to commit suicide and pursue alternative treatment, I got a sick sadistic satisfaction that a young adult decided to give life another chance. It's quite obvious that I should be banned.

May be they are preaching, i have noticed most are not. I just noticed you. Also, i have read later responses now. I do think that person wrote because of what he has faced but the later conversation between you two has also made me understand that you could be getting ticked off because the tone. Content is getting lost in the background.
I am of the preventive belief and it so sad that people reach such stages where they aren't left with any choice except ctb. I care about making it better for them and improving the quality of life that they never reach it but if they do, i think only they can know what is within their tolerance limit and if they could still have some quality in life or not. Humans are very much variable and not equal in terms tolerance of pain or capabilities. So the solutions for everyone differ as well whether we agree with it or like it or not.

 

[Vegrau]

May be they are preaching, i have noticed most are not. I just noticed you. Also, i have read later responses now. I do think that person wrote because of what he has faced but the later conversation between you two has also made me understand that you could be getting ticked off because the tone. Content is getting lost in the background.
I am of the preventive belief and it so sad that people reach such stages where they aren't left with any choice except ctb. I care about making it better for them and improving the quality of life that they never reach it but if they do, i think only they can know what is within their tolerance limit and if they could still have some quality in life or not. Humans are very much variable and not equal in terms tolerance of pain or capabilities. So the solutions for everyone differ as well whether we agree with it or like it or not.

I am pissed because that person took my words out of context to paint me as what a bad guy? A hypocrite? I dont need to respect someone who doesnt respect others. This a pro choice forum. If that person cannot respect choices of other. Then I dont really need to respect them. Moreover that person jump on me from out of nowhere. I just take it that he/she had prepared to argue. I also hate it when they made it as if theyre the victim. When if fact they are the one who started the whole thing. The whole thing just oozes with thick gooey hypocrisy. When we disagree with someone either we ignore them or we confront them. No confrontation ends well. Yet. He/she choose to confront me. Even though I never mention anyone in my comment. It speaks alot about them.

 

[Fadinglife]

I am pissed because that person took my words out of context to paint me as what a bad guy? A hypocrite? I dont need to respect someone who doesnt respect others. This a pro choice forum. If that person cannot respect choices of other. Then I dont really need to respect them. Moreover that person jump on me from out of nowhere. I just take it that he/she had prepared to argue. I also hate it when they made it as if theyre the victim. When if fact they are the one who started the whole thing. When we disagree with someone either we ignore them or we confront them. No confrontation ends well. Yey. He/she choose to confront me. Even though I nevr mention anyone in my comment. It speaks alot about them.

You are right to be pissed. That is precisely the reason i wrote him as i reached the same conclusion.
In my last response i am talking about later exchange of messages. I don't see him as a victim. He started it, you went along and i understood why you responded that way, "like aww, educated person etc which may have ticked him off too (however it is more leaning towards the message you conveyed)" because he did call you a hypocrite and you fought back. I am also of the personal opinion that i don't have to pretend to like someone or owe people respect just because it is the norm specially if they are dismissive, condescending, judgemental, outright rude and disrespectful themselves.

 

[Vegrau]

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You are right to be pissed. That is precisely the reason i wrote him as i reached the same conclusion.
In my last response i am talking about later exchange of messages. I don't see him as a victim. He started it, you went along and i understood why you responded that way, "like aww, educated person etc which may have ticked him off too (however it is more leaning towards the message you conveyed)" because he did call you a hypocrite and you fought back. I am also of the personal opinion that i don't have to pretend to like someone or owe people respect just because it is the norm specially if they are dismissive, condescending, judgemental, outright rude and disrespectful themselves.

Succinctly said. Life too short to live just to please people. Moreover its nothing but lies. I hate lies. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

That hateful woman should stop taking screenshots from here and posting that on Facebook. That's a little pathetic. I understand she is hurt and in pain but this is not the way to deal with it. People here understand each other and support each other. If we would call the police to get someone sent to a psych-ward we would all be big ass hypocrites. She spins stories that go a lot differently. She needs to look further than her nose is long (don't know if that applies in English, it's a thing in Dutch) her daughter wanted to die and we didn't sent her away. They make a big deal about People saying goodbye and save travels but what are we supposed to say otherwise, "I'll hope you burn in hell"?

 

[Shamana]

May be they are preaching, i have noticed most are not. I just noticed you. Also, i have read later responses now. I do think that person wrote because of what he has faced but the later conversation between you two has also made me understand that you could be getting ticked off because the tone. Content is getting lost in the background.
I am of the preventive belief and it so sad that people reach such stages where they aren't left with any choice except ctb. I care about making it better for them and improving the quality of life that they never reach it but if they do, i think only they can know what is within their tolerance limit and if they could still have some quality in life or not. Humans are very much variable and not equal in terms tolerance of pain or capabilities. So the solutions for everyone differ as well whether we agree with it or like it or not.

I think the reason why I stick out is that I have different beliefs and opionions than the typical SS member. Atheistic nihillism is preached in here all the time, but it's not considered preaching because it's the accepted viewpoint of most members in here. Some views are downright odd though. Yesterday I was accused of being a racist antisemite for accepting the historical viewpoint that Christopher Colombus oppressed and enslaved native americans.

 

[AnnihilatedAnna]

I think the reason why I stick out is that I have different beliefs and opionions than the typical SS member. Atheistic nihillism is preached in here all the time, but it's not considered preaching because it's the accepted viewpoint of most members in here. Some views are downright odd though. Yesterday I was accused of being a racist antisemite for accepting the historical viewpoint that Christopher Colombus oppressed and enslaved native americans.

Mate, isn't enslaving people just plain wrong?

 

[Shamana]

Mate, isn't enslaving people just plain wrong?

It certainly is. What I meant is that I consider it a historical fact. The other poster considered it a lie without providing any sources.

 

[malummo]

Transferring guilt to someone else to justify the shame of a daughter's suicide is so low. Community is a tricky environment. They would have judged her if she hadn't made this diversion move. Face yourself, woman.