A thorough story on Shawn Shatto

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@not-2-b-the-answer
The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves & The Rich Help Themselves The Most
The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves & I Will Help Myself To Nembutal

I like that!

 

[Rachel74]

There you go. So the post was removed...

I noticed that too.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Calling SS "website predators" is abhorrent. Couldn't be further from the truth. Is SS in danger of being shut down because of this?

I don't believe S.S. is in any danger of being shut down. Even if that could happen, there will be more. Also people can Google ways to CTB.

No, you're fine. It's not gonna be shut down
I just find it hilarious that all of us are 100% different then her daughter. Them calling us monsters and predators for being suicidal REALLY helps the mindset of the suicidal. "We just wanna help them but suck my fucking cock if you think it's me that wants to go near em" mindset

Logic

AWESOME POST !!!! They aren't helping ... I know they believe they are but they aren't. If someone's mind is made up to CTB they will most likely do it. Or at least attempt. Most people also don't really care about helping if it's an inconvenience to them ... especially over time.

@not-2-b-the-answer
The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves & The Rich Help Themselves The Most
The Lord Helps Those Who Help Themselves & I Will Help Myself To Nembutal

I like that!

Thanks I change it sometimes but I like this one. I may add to it, if I think of something else.

 

[Stan]

I think some press and news organisations have had a slight shift in their approach to reporting some stories lately regarding assisted euthanasia and suicides. Only this week in the UK press I have seen two stories that I thought were well balanced and one I could could possibly read as being quietly supportive of a change in legislation. However, thats not to say that tabloids will also scandalise something to make column inches or airtime as in the case of this story

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I think some press and news organisations have had a slight shift in their approach to reporting some stories lately regarding assisted euthanasia and suicides. Only this week in the UK press I have seen two stories that I thought were well balanced and one I could could possibly read as being quietly supportive of a change in legislation. However, thats not to say that tabloids will also scandalise something to make column inches or airtime as in the case of this story

At least there was an article that sort of supported legislation change. I don't know if there is any support like that in the U.S. I haven't seen anything anyway.

 

[Roger]

I think some press and news organisations have had a slight shift in their approach to reporting some stories lately regarding assisted euthanasia and suicides. Only this week in the UK press I have seen two stories that I thought were well balanced and one I could could possibly read as being quietly supportive of a change in legislation. However, thats not to say that tabloids will also scandalise something to make column inches or airtime as in the case of this story

The tabloids are very receptive to public opinion, and public opinion in UK is overwhelmingly in favour of euthanasia and assisted dying.
Even the Royal College of Physicians changed their stance earlier this year: not much, admittedly, just from opposition to neutrality, but it's a baby step in the right direction.

Edit at 0934 UTC to remove an irrelevant QUOTE

 

[Soul]

I can still see them. She didn't have many.

Ok, I stand corrected. Her "goodbye thread" was deleted, as "goodbye threads" normally are. She only posted 6 or 7 times, right?

 

[Ruffian]

I just love how every time sanctimonious pro-lifers try to shut this place down more people get to know about it and learn that living isn't the only choice. Hell, I'm saving a few word for them the moment i decide to CTB.

Love

 

[MeltingHeart]

Information about SN poisoning is available on many websites, including LAH, which links to this forum. If she didn't find the information here, she would've found it somewhere else.

I understand her mother being upset that her child is dead, but finger-pointing at people who weren't involved solves nothing. They said forum-users were supposed to call the police? As if we know where everyone lives, or even their countries.

what is LAH?

 

[Soul]

what is LAH?

Lost All Hope - a website with information about methods.

 

[color_me_gone]

a website with information about methods

but they tend to try to talk you out of suicide.
they portray many methods as too risky.
they don't speak of the premiere methods, N and SN, because they are too reliable.
As another member of SS said, "They try to get you to lose all hope of being able to successfully ctb."

 

[woxihuanni]

but they tend to try to talk you out of suicide.
they portray many methods as too risky.
they don't speak of the premiere methods, N and SN, because they are too reliable.
As another member of SS said, "They try to get you to lose all hope of being able to successfully ctb."

I said this before, but fuck them so much.

 

[Oblivion Lover]

It's depressing to see that this insane witch hunt against the SS community is still going on after all this time. You'd think that Shawn's mother would have already come to her senses by now and accepted that her daughter (may she rest in peace) would have killed herself even if she hadn't discovered this place. That is the truth for most people here, including I. The only thing more depressing than that is that Shawn's mother and my mother are so incredibly similar. My mother would likely have the same reaction if she knew I was a member of this site and used the information here to find a way to kill myself in a peaceful way.

 

[MeltingHeart]

but they tend to try to talk you out of suicide.
they portray many methods as too risky.
they don't speak of the premiere methods, N and SN, because they are too reliable.
As another member of SS said, "They try to get you to lose all hope of being able to successfully ctb."

what is N and SN? are these some kind of gases? to be used in exit bag menthod ive heard of-sorry just trying to get up to speed here. thanks

 

[Lethe]

what is N and SN? are these some kind of gases? to be used in exit bag menthod ive heard of-sorry just trying to get up to speed here. thanks

Nembutal and Sodium Nitrite, respectively. They're solids to be ingested. The acronyms used on this site are a bit corny and threw me off at first too, lol. People talk about getting N from A, and SN from B and I'm just rolling my eyes usually.

 

[color_me_gone]

just trying to get up to speed here

N = Nembutal, aka Pentobarbital, a strong barbiturate, sedates you, but too much puts you to sleep forever.
SN = Sodium Nitrite, a salt used as a food preservative, easy to get, inexpensive, excessive amount kills you.

There is a thread for newbies, which explains the rules of this forum, and also explains some of the most commonly used acronyms. Here is a link:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/rules-and-faq.4/

 

[MeltingHeart]

Nembutal and Sodium Nitrite, respectively. They're solids to be ingested. The acronyms used on this site are a bit corny and threw me off at first too, lol. People talk about getting N from A, and SN from B and I'm just rolling my eyes usually.

thks

N = Nembutal, aka Pentobarbital, a strong barbiturate, sedates you, but too much puts you to sleep forever.
SN = Sodium Nitrite, a salt used as a food preservative, easy to get, inexpensive, excessive amount kills you.

There is a thread for newbies, which explains the rules of this forum, and also explains some of the most commonly used acronyms. Here is a link:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/rules-and-faq.4/

thnks

 

[a.h]

I agree that euthanasia should be legalized. But until then, we're in a forum with many stickied threads about suicide methods, but none on different treatment options. Many threads on dying, but few on living. Plus a strong anti-therapy/medication culture. Hell, we don't even have a thread briefly explaining the seriousness of suicide to any distressed newcomers. I'm not to say whether someones situation is permanent or temporary, justified or not, but I think there really are some issues with how nuanced this forum is, just like there are positive aspects.

I think it's because there are many depressed people here who have tried first every medication and therapy without any help. Physically ill have tried everything also to get better or even manage living without overpowering pain. They see ctb as their last resort. I think that those who are against medication are those who got no provement from them but felt worse and same from therapy. Otherwise they wouldn't have an opinion about it. I believe that forced hospitalisation for depression would cause anyone to have permanent PTSD.

You need to look at both sides of the coin. For one, if I wouldn't have found this site, I would be dead. Someone on here gave me a helping hand with medication that alleviated my issues to the point that I can continue with work and life to some extent. God knows how long my doc would've taken to get me to try it as it's an older med. The price I have to pay is going thru losing people that I befriend here, this is a suicide forum after all.

Also, negative publicity is still publicity. If Shawn's mom had not made all this media buzz trying to get this place shut down, other people would be alive.

That is so true. What Shatto's mom did with the help of media only increased new people coming to this site. At first media had the pictures of this site and extra info which they took off after few weeks maybe realising that.
After the media attention people didn't just find this place after searching the information about the ways to ctb but they were given it.

There are also many studies of how news of suicides increases suicides. Especially if media speaks nicely of the deceased one (not much of the real reasons for suicide) and then only say that he/she did suicide. I think that media did that with Shatto too. Every "negative" thing was changed to sound better and to make it look like she was great (which is true) and was doing great and the only reason she died was because someone gave her an idea of it. And that is clearly false since nobody said she should do it or that death is good option.

For example Shattos mom said she had studied in University. Shatto said she had dropped down from University due to depression. Shatto's mom says this site was the reason she did suicide. Shatto said she is going to do suicide because she hates working in Amazon and don't see any point in living to work. Shatto's mom said she was asking help to live. Shatto asked advice how to die with least suffering.
Those are not mentioned in the media. Reporters should also see both sides of the story if possible and they had that change for long time to check her messages from here.

 

[a.h]

but they tend to try to talk you out of suicide.
they portray many methods as too risky.
they don't speak of the premiere methods, N and SN, because they are too reliable.
As another member of SS said, "They try to get you to lose all hope of being able to successfully ctb."

I think it's because there are many depressed people here who have tried first every medication and therapy without any help. Physically ill have tried everything also to get better or even manage living without overpowering pain. They see ctb as their last resort. I think that those who are against medication are those who got no provement from them but felt worse and same from therapy. Otherwise they wouldn't have an opinion about it. I believe that forced hospitalisation for depression would cause anyone to have permanent PTSD.


That is so true. What Shatto's mom did with the help of media only increased new people coming to this site. At first media had the pictures of this site and extra info which they took off after few weeks maybe realising that.
After the media attention people didn't just find this place after searching the information about the ways to ctb but they were given it.

There are also many studies of how news of suicides increases suicides. Especially if media speaks nicely of the deceased one (not much of the real reasons for suicide) and then only say that he/she did suicide. I think that media did that with Shatto too. Every "negative" thing was changed to sound better and to make it look like she was great (which is true) and was doing great and the only reason she died was because someone gave her an idea of it. And that is clearly false since nobody said she should do it or that death is good option.

For example Shattos mom said she had studied in University. Shatto said she had dropped down from University due to depression. Shatto's mom says this site was the reason she did suicide. Shatto said she is going to do suicide because she hates working in Amazon and don't see any point in living to work. Shatto's mom said she was asking help to live. Shatto asked advice how to die with least suffering.
Those are not mentioned in the media. Reporters should also see both sides of the story if possible and they had that change for long time to check her messages from here.

Prolifers have started also many websites of suicide methods to point out every failed attempt to make people scared to do it.
Also they explain how much people suffer with every method. People who have accidentally died with the same way (meaning being without pulse and breathing and revived by medics) say that there was no pain. Also in news of accidents it reads that "died peacefully" when they talk about certain suicides and accidental deaths. For example lack of air creates euphoria not pain (drowning causes panic and pain for short time though) and people are knocked out and then die.

 

[Zal]

For the pro-lifers, more often than not, they only care about suicidal in one point. That they are not dead. Then it will become out of sight, out of mind. The quality of life is completely ignored. Arguments which leads to the conclusion of anything out of norm like wanting to die will be labeled as mentally ill. And then, they will not notice that they are using circular reasoning:
You are mentally ill because you are suicidal. You are suicidal because you are mentally ill.
Unfortunately, we mustn't forget that especially for a taboo topic like suicide, it is in the minority and the majority will do everything to suppress it until the minority will get accepted. Of course the minority I talk about is something that goes against the norm, and not something like skin color or some other superficial stuff like that.

 

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@a.h
in the 9 months i have been here, i don't recall anyone ever encouraging another to ctb.
in fact, if anything, they recommend that the person be absolutely sure if that is what they want.
because nobody want to see another person die, including people who want to die themselves.

also, another person mentioned that SS does not recommend alternatives to ctb.
well, nearly all websites on suicide already do that.
people who come here are not looking for more of the same.
instead, SS uniquely provides community members who are understanding and compassionate.
that alone, is worth all the words to give someone hope.

 

[a.h]

@a.h
in the 9 months i have been here, i don't recall anyone ever encouraging another to ctb.
in fact, if anything, they recommend that the person be absolutely sure if that is what they want.
because nobody want to see another person die, including people who want to die themselves.

also, another person mentioned that SS does not recommend alternatives to ctb.
well, nearly all websites on suicide already do that.
people who come here are not looking for more of the same.
instead, SS uniquely provides community members who are understanding and compassionate.
that alone, is worth all the words to give someone hope.

Its same that if someone asks from euthanasia site the most peacefull ways to die and then do it. Nobody would ever blame them for not convincing people not to die. People have their personal reasons which they don't have to share if they don't want to. Those who share it with doubts would be told to try everything for better life first.

Anyways at the end of it I think that people who haven't suffered cannot fathom it and understand. Everyone will change their minds of the euthanasia some day. At least when they are old, sick and suffer themselves.

I think that the whole thing is as toxic as other similar outlets in media that spread lies, hate and fear. Better to not read them. Terminally ill shouldn't waste their mind with worst in life and those who can and choose life shouldn't let that kind of people and any toxic, mean and hatefull media and people to influence their lives. Of course we should correct the lies though.
A big part of media is really bad. Everything is based on talking bad about other people and many things are lies. Not about bad people but even if some known, very good people had some sellulite they are not just talked bad about it but shamed to the whole world companied with nearly nude pictures of them. And if people don't have extra strict browsing then no matter what words you write you will get tons of sick porn pages and ads. That and much of media makes me hate the most of the humanity.