The discussion of free will is really mostly for monotheists. I believe we have a mind and that our mind is the agent of our actions. The vast majority of people have a choice in whether they commit suicide or not. Just because we have a choice doesnt mean that it is a good choice.
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The discussion of free will is really mostly for monotheists. I believe we have a mind and that our mind is the agent of our actions. The vast majority of people have a choice in whether they commit suicide or not. Just because we have a choice doesnt mean that it is a good choice.
Support should be given to those who really, with strong conviction want to die (for any reason), with delay. It is not the reason that is important, but the certainty that a person really does not want to live.
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Tortured_empath
Arcanist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 477
When this many depressed individuals gather, there tends to be a self-reinforcing energy. Also I don't believe it is as black and white as you put it. If you come to me distressed, hopeless, suicidal, and I tell you where to get a gun, but that it is "your choice" is that more pro-choice than if you come to me suicidal and hopless, I show you where to get a gun, but also showed you where to get possible help, medications, philosophy etc.? The latter seems more pro-choice to me.
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Therefore, euthanasia is necessary. In this case, specialists, doctors will conduct examinations, tests, and see. If they understand that a person needs medical help, they will provide it for him/her and save his/her life if possible. Also there is a delay.
Tortured_empath
Arcanist
- Apr 7, 2019
- 477
I agree that euthanasia should be legalized. But until then, we're in a forum with many stickied threads about suicide methods, but none on different treatment options. Many threads on dying, but few on living. Plus a strong anti-therapy/medication culture. Hell, we don't even have a thread briefly explaining the seriousness of suicide to any distressed newcomers. I'm not to say whether someones situation is permanent or temporary, justified or not, but I think there really are some issues with how nuanced this forum is, just like there are positive aspects.
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Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
I see your point but it's not that simple.
A mind is the product of genetics and childhood impressions, mostly, plus some more.
We're by definition fully programmed and then we must adapt. We have no choice to what. All of our definitions are simplifications.
But, yeah...
We might agree that Free Will, the way we defined it, is a societal construct we agree to agree upon for practical and legal purposes.
It's cool to be dead, there's voices out here who call for "suicide against Climate Change" - that's extreme, but young people are rarely geniuses.
The personal thingies in this story I do not care to discuss, as I won't be able to get much reliable information about them.
The "death cult" argument is exaggerated but not invalid - it's not that this website resembles one, but rather that our society is in a downward spiral, and social animals like us need impetus and a reason to live inside and for a society, a culture...
The reason why some people have the impression that life is "not worth living," which seems to be a logical nonsense in our time of opulence, are manifold and complex, and in my opinion, mostly peer-group societal level, as in "no future."
To blame the mother is ridiculous - was she better off than the daughter ? Unlikely, pretty much the same genes - no need to attack her, she is distressed.
Her life is in ruins, guys probably fail to understand that... we're social animals, and we live in interesting times.
I would go into a long-winded Darwinian construe now but I have a splitting aural migraine and I can hardly see my keyboard,
Sorry about that.
I just wanted to clear these things up, they are being confused on a regular basis.
And would y'all please google "Mouse Utopia."
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The best and most reasonable thing to do in this area is to fight for the right to euthanasia (for everyone). But almost no one in the world is interested in it, often the society protests against it.
If Shawn came to that euthanasia clinic/firm (and she would probably go as she looking for a peaceful method, like the overwhelming majority) , they would examine her there carefully (they should at least, according to the law) and if they saw that she had some mental problems, depression that can be cured they would give her treatment and maybe then she would be alive.
If Shawn came to that euthanasia clinic/firm (and she would probably go as she looking for a peaceful method, like the overwhelming majority) , they would examine her there carefully (they should at least, according to the law) and if they saw that she had some mental problems, depression that can be cured they would give her treatment and maybe then she would be alive.
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Soul
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
- Apr 12, 2019
- 4,704
I don't blame the mother for being irrational. She called herself a "life coach" whose goal was to help people be happy and fulfilled and socially adjusted, and yet her daughter had been suffering several years of intractable depression, agoraphobia and a third psychiatric condition. She had dropped out of college and hid out at her parental home, but also held a job she HATED, and no wonder, since it was in an amazon.com warehouse. (Isn't amazon known for an unusually high rate of suicide among their employees?) I posit that insisting that the young woman hold a job was the family's (mom's?) idea - one of those tough-love things?
Shawn felt bad that her mother was asleep down the hall - that was one of the last things she posted. That must have been very hard on the mother as well. She was right down the hall. Of course she wails and rages that an international internet forum who didn't know Shawn's name or what continent she was on didn't call 911. She herself was right down the hall and didn't call 911. Or convince her that life was worthwhile. Or even notice she was suicidal? Unclear.
From the interviews the mother's given it's plain that it wasn't until fairly late in the morning or early afternoon that the mother noticed that she "hadn't seen Shawn in a few hours" and entered her room. So add that to the guilt that the mother experienced on top of her grief.
The mother announced on her FB page that there would be bouncers at Shawn's funeral to eject any more people who said that Shawn's death "was no surprise" or that they had "seen it coming". Actual bouncers, to personify her denial that her child had been intractably depressed for years, and that she had decided for herself that she wanted to die, and that at the end she chose to stay on line with a group of strangers who showed her nonjudgemental understanding.
Of course the whole family is in grievous shock and pain, no doubt the happy together life-coach mother in particular. I'm not surprised she's irrationally seeking to blame ANYone rather than look at what actually happened.
The journalists amplifying the story and goading the mother into more and more public irrationality are the ones I can't find sympathy for. It's cruel to do that just to have something sensationalistic to write. They should have left her to grieve in peace.
Shawn felt bad that her mother was asleep down the hall - that was one of the last things she posted. That must have been very hard on the mother as well. She was right down the hall. Of course she wails and rages that an international internet forum who didn't know Shawn's name or what continent she was on didn't call 911. She herself was right down the hall and didn't call 911. Or convince her that life was worthwhile. Or even notice she was suicidal? Unclear.
From the interviews the mother's given it's plain that it wasn't until fairly late in the morning or early afternoon that the mother noticed that she "hadn't seen Shawn in a few hours" and entered her room. So add that to the guilt that the mother experienced on top of her grief.
The mother announced on her FB page that there would be bouncers at Shawn's funeral to eject any more people who said that Shawn's death "was no surprise" or that they had "seen it coming". Actual bouncers, to personify her denial that her child had been intractably depressed for years, and that she had decided for herself that she wanted to die, and that at the end she chose to stay on line with a group of strangers who showed her nonjudgemental understanding.
Of course the whole family is in grievous shock and pain, no doubt the happy together life-coach mother in particular. I'm not surprised she's irrationally seeking to blame ANYone rather than look at what actually happened.
The journalists amplifying the story and goading the mother into more and more public irrationality are the ones I can't find sympathy for. It's cruel to do that just to have something sensationalistic to write. They should have left her to grieve in peace.
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Fadinglife
Student
- Apr 16, 2019
- 109
Yes, i can blame her. She failed to do self reflection. She failed to understand her child's depression. Her life coach mother is targeting the people outside not just out of grief but also because it's a great failure for her on professional front that she couldn't change her own daughter's point of view on life by her delusional, positive pep talks. It does speak how much lonely the daughter must have felt that her own mother failed to actually support her in the darkest period of her life which swallowed her in the end. That level of acceptance, compassion, understanding, trust, non judgemental behaviour was missing on her mother's part. She failed to provide her daughter's safe place to talk. No therapist in the world can fix that. Besides, when people we rely on (it could be parents, friends, partners) the most aren't there us when we need them the most or even worse are dismissive, invalidating, neglectful, indifferent, ouright rude and condescending in our very suffering we feel unloved, rejected, unaccepted, hurt, lonely, not cared for, we suffer terribly and crash down in fighting the uphill battle for our life in such a vulnerable condition, it's painful and tormenting enough and to see such people standing against us with their behaviour or actions when they should be with us further worsens our condition, there is so much we can do by ourselves in such a state, someday we give up because it's exhausting and in some cases there is no hope even practically apart from impact of mental illness, so there isn't much the current medical system or strangers can do when major support system is lacking. We ought to take a holistic view on helping people with mental illness, a good support network (close people her mother could have been a major stakeholder here i.e. family or friends not just in name but in real sense which means they should try to give above mentioned elements fostering emotional intimacy apart from long term rational solutions to such person's problems coupled with the help of medical, social system and government) , then comes mental health system which needs a major revamp and social services which would actually helps people like that in finding work or purpose in life, helping them getting back on their feets, along with the help in finding work, network etc and also making long lasting and meaningful connections in life because they are real anchors to life. Humans vary a lot, so what works for someone may not work for others and there should a dynamic approach along with some skeletal framework. Also people must understand the difference in being alone and being lonely to really help someone with actual solutions that work. Her mother does share the large part of the blame because she was there but failed to be close enough to her own daughter. Then comes the mental health system and society at large. For every suicide that happens just look at the people closest to them or who are around them. It's their lack of empathy and understanding that they loose the people to suicide. I am not sorry for her mother for the person who she is and what she stands for and specially when she is spreading her flawed idealogy which further stifles any productive discussion and helpful solutions, as she contributing to counterproductive measures by playing offensive and blame game hence feeding the very same cycle of pandering to popular narratives without giving actual thoughts into it and breaking the nasty cycle, she is spinning the wheels like many others where the real issue of improving the life quality along with very important questions like choice in matters of departures is getting lost in background as the loud noises of fights are taking the center stage. Feeding the media which catipitazes on people's suffering than actual journalism these days or bad politics etc are some negative outcomes as these systems are faulty and not being properly used. It sounds like silencing the voices by shouting the loudest. Why is it hard to see that? Have we became so much desensitized to even challenge such wrong behaviors that we are ready to tolerate them as norms in the name of grief and emotional hurt or outrage, ofcourse she is entitled to her feelings but only to the extent not negatively contributing to society or affecting already suffering people from her efforts in that direction by running campaings for the cause of mental health and addressing real challenges in the way. I don't have to pretend to like her as a person and what she stands for and when she is scapegoating and rallying support for her bad idealogies embedded in her flawed thinking of life and forcing people to accept it as well by weaponizing it, that is what she representing this way with attacks and censor works. I do not like her because she isn't a decent human being at the level with which i relate to people, neither resonates with my values and thought pattern or even the productive ones for society to be inclusive and supportive to marginalized and vulnerable people, calling people like her own daughter as murders speaks volumes of who she is as a person, it gives a peek into the level of empathy/support she herself has given to her own daughter and i reserve the right to fight against such absurd and toxic mindset. Understanding her grief is one thing and opposing her believes and value system is another. I don't consider her an epitome for ethical motherly behaviour or even good humanly behaviour or values and with respect to the person suffering with so much pain and agony. Her subaverage wordly view, morality and ethics is the part of the problem from which society has been infested long ago, it's the very same view which stigmatizes mental illness, marginalze people and hinders in the development of inclusive society. I do blame her for that. It's about the quality of life that we should focus on and try to improve it for people at large that people don't even a stage of suicide to begin with. Contrary to rose tainted jibber jabber of there (which is mostly spread by people who are normal and have never been in the shoes of person suffering about help being there, it's like they have no idea what they are talking about), you encounter reality and know it when you have in system for long that it is bunch of lies, mental health system is flawed, i can't be bothered to begin writing about it, it's not even accessible to many and then factor the quality of services, sensitization of people working in such fields, their cognitive bias affecting people's lives, push for big pharma and monetization of the industry. It is leaning towards the exploitation of vulnerable people which so much depressing and sad.
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Truth is stranger than fiction, not even in the worse dreams could to figure out myself.
I am totally frozen. Just a depression and she was so young. It is very unfair.
When I was her age just remember laughter and good moments.
I am agree, some never gave nobody a chance.
Really sorry.
I am totally frozen. Just a depression and she was so young. It is very unfair.
When I was her age just remember laughter and good moments.
I am agree, some never gave nobody a chance.
Really sorry.
Why not both? Since both concepts are separate from each other after all. Objective decisions are always subjective, everything is subjective. Fully based on personal experiences and nothing more. They just acted the way theyre meant to. According to causality. To them its objective. To them choices exist. And I am just playing it by their rules. But we both knew all of this is meaningless. This madness. This sadness. These hollow and empty words.
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Alchemist
Warlock
- Apr 3, 2019
- 709
The topic has already bee
I agree with you on everything except the final par. We could let her grieve in peace, but refuses to do it peacefully. She's the one constantly checking or using her goons to check this forum and making sure people who want to leave this world in a peaceful and dignified manner are unable to do so. If she weren't going around playing the professional victim and making life even harder for good people who just want to stop suffering, she would be able to do it. Sadly she insist along with her gang to see how deep they can put their head inside their own ass. Also the media is to blame, but it's not weird from them since they are losing respect and popularity and will latch at anything that gives them attention.
Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
Well our 'intelligence' is a verbal one and the grammar genetically hardwired - so we are stuck with using verba vana, or with not thinking. We might agree that only the doli incapax truly have free will, but I'm not going to seriously discuss objectivity - for decent remuneration, I would however be prepared to define it in a legally useful way ;)
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Soul
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
- Apr 12, 2019
- 4,704
My final sentence should be part of the paragraph about the media, and I've fixed it now: They should let her grieve in peace. We sure aren't the ones seeking her out and urging her to spout more irrationality in public.
As @Fadinglife noted, none of us has to like her or her behaviour just because she's grieving.
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Well I'm glad we agree about this.
Flawed politics stem directly from flawed people. Humans are to blame for every socio-cultural problem on earth that afflicts them. Shifting the responsibility onto something as abstract as 'politics,' as if it were some kind of malign force in and of itself (and not a reflection of the malign priorities of the scum who run things, and the people who enable them en masse) seems counter-productive to me.
Yes, pointing out that some people are, or may be bad, or that - at the very least - a little bit more self-awareness among the general public might go a long way towards fixing these issues is always a tricky prospect. In my experience very few people can handle having it suggested that they are anything other than a shining pillar a virtue, and will erupt with the most furious of indignation at the merest suggestion otherwise. This, I would argue, is also part of the problem. I'm too tired to give a shit anymore.
One of the benefits of being a social pariah is not having to care whether or not your observations might offend people. Plenty of people are offended by people like me even when we just sit quietly and do nothing. So we're fucked either way, and might as well call things as we see them.
But did she actually criticise the wageslave system, as you call it (and no, I'm not suggesting it's not a problem, just that we'd probably use different short-hand labels for the same issue, assuming we do see eye to eye on that) or did she just say she didn't want to go to work? Because not wanting to go to work could mean many things.
I've managed to grieve about half a dozen times without lashing out at anyone. It gets harder every time, especially when there really are people to blame, but then there'd be no point. None of my vitriol would ever get published, and nobody would care what I had to say. Nobody wants to hear about all the vicious little ways our culture drives people to ruin because too many people are responsible.
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Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
You must be a close acquaintance of that family, their social worker or their shrink.
For every suicide that happens just look at the people closest to them or who are around them. It's their lack of empathy and understanding that they loose the people to suicide. I am not sorry for her mother for the person who she is and what she stands for...
You'd probably have driven the mother into suicide with your lack of empathy.
For every suicide that happens just look at the people closest to them or who are around them. It's their lack of empathy and understanding that they loose the people to suicide. I am not sorry for her mother for the person who she is and what she stands for...
You'd probably have driven the mother into suicide with your lack of empathy.
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omoidarui
Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
- Apr 30, 2019
- 995
Kakabushi's ctb? It was deleted
well, it was a topic called Work and she began it 'the main reason I want to ctb is because of work'. So with the reason legit being given to us by the user herself, I'm unsure about why everyone's speculating further and on what grounds, both our side and the family's (the parents and journalists I assume would've scoured her posts... and yet having surely stumbled upon this topic by Kakabushi, they elude mention of it, and instead it's this forum that's portrayed to be culpable).
she doesn't inherently say it's because of the system, so I guess my other post in itself was speculative to a point. but posting that she wanted to die because of work and then a month later, having left the warehouse job (iirc) and still being committed to her decision... would imply it's the fact that "you need to be a slave in order to survive", as she put it, which rather resonates with a lot of us.
unless someone has leaked inside knowledge, I don't know how the family can be seen as responsible in any capacity for the decision based on all this.
(I don't seek to change anyone's opinions btw, just am curious about them. I respect that we'll all feel differently.)
I don't think I follow, sorry.. when one talks of the system, I assume them to mean politics and not any certain politician
What can measure objectivity? Objectivity meant impartiality. Unbiased. But we know thats not the case. They already made their choice. They just need to justify that choice. Words and actions are but tools. Ready to be twist into whatever we want. Even so their actions and choices already been decided for them long before theyre born. There are no such thing as choices. It can only be called choices if the things they choose from are of equal value. But we both knew thats just nonsense. Because theyre subjective. No one have free will. No one ever does. Their actions are all within the scope of causality. They can never stray from it. The being of the past have no future.
color_me_gone
Sun is rising
- Dec 27, 2018
- 970
I have to say that @Soul's and @Fadinglife's posts in this thread really cover my feelings about this whole affair. Shawn's mother is mostly to blame for her daughter's suicide, but would rather use this forum as a scapegoat. Shawn saw no love from her parents.
Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
But, if you look at just one post under this your own, there is such a thing as simple solutions for simple people. The human brain is bravely trying to understand the universe, as an animal brain it's convinced their must be an originator (a predator?) and a meaning, and as a simple short-lived mechanism it is unable to truly follow, even depict, what is going on. So it MUST simplify, and that works for a while. Good and Evil suddenly arise... now the brain only needs to stay on the good side of simplification, while the body procreates.
These two things make for a happy life form, also for trouble with others - your simplification is way more complex than mine, so you must be wrong ! being one of the most obnoxious ones... this is also what will stop humanity from ever evolving past this point, simple is a principle that by its nature, mostly wins and countermands many of entropy's universal successes.
Think about the Fermi paradox in that connection.
They simply live as they should and the only way they could. Generalizing this world into understandable parts. Something they can make sense of. Giving their existence a sense of purpose and meaning. The limitations that binds them is simply absolute at this point. Can they cast away everything and embrace the whole truth? How can they know what they dont? How can they break that which they cannot see? Their peace is a simple peace. A garden with high walls. An echo chamber. A pleasant thought to hide in. Yet none it will save them when the truth comes knocking. Ignoring it will not make it go away. Their peace are false and their sins are grave. Reckoning will come. Either they evolve or die. But at this rate I wonder if they still could.
Soul
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha
- Apr 12, 2019
- 4,704
I've just read the article @Avicii posted. Because of the title he gave it I was hoping there was some added insight or something - more than one side to the story of a woman hurling ridiculous accusation while the media egg her on. But it's not even a full version of the various ludicrous facets of the mother's scapegoating campaign.
And are they still on a rampage, @Conflicted Cat? I stopped checking Shatto Mére's FB page a couple of months ago. Have Shawn's siblings managed to put some brakes on her?
And are they still on a rampage, @Conflicted Cat? I stopped checking Shatto Mére's FB page a couple of months ago. Have Shawn's siblings managed to put some brakes on her?
Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
No - we're in a vicious circle and in a mental climate where rationality is regarded as an offensive sign of cognitive privilege, effectively signalling that there may not be any opposition to what feelz dictate. It is, as you say, difficult for any data processing entity at any time, but now that emo over think it's turned into official policy, mankind is heading towards the intellectual safeguard of religion once more, and I think this is a principal fallacy of the herd animal psyche. Remember that 'religious freedom,' to delude yourself with soothing ideas, is a human right - so it must be an essential weapon of the primate intellect, one it cannot exist without, or doesn't dare to. Humans hate reality more than any other animal. In any case, breaking out of the box, then another and another, is always and only possible for evolved individuals, and genetics have a natural tendency to wind this backwards, as a potentially dangerous aberration. Evolution is a Sisyphos task, and we are headed for an abyss inside a backward spiral.
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Roger
I Liked Ike
- May 11, 2019
- 972
This is kind of my point. A family who take turns chopping firewood are part of a system. If they cut down a tree belonging to a critically endangered species you wouldn't blame the system. Systems like politics are bigger and more complex and culpability is often spread much thinner, but the idea that the system is the issue as if it's somehow operating independently of the people within it is a kind of deflection. Flawed politics, as I said, stem directly from flawed people. The cultural and genetic cognitive biases, the former generally being a byproduct of the latter, that keep people at odds and willingly supporting massive, mutually exploitative, pyramidal hierarchies of exploitation, and which motivate those at the top are not some impenetrable mystery. These problems don't need to be addressed by way of abstractions like 'politics' or 'big-business' in fact I'd argue this obfuscates the real issue.
I'm still inclined to think that even this could have a variety of meanings, though admittedly some would be bound up in workplace-related issues (though some could have wider implications) but in fairness I think the cause of anyone taking their life is generally complicated. One thing I do think psychologists are on the money on with regards to mental illness and stress is the psycho-social-physical model, with problems in one area creating problems in others which feed each other and form vicious, self-perpetuating cycles. There are often so many factors at play it's hard to nail down a single culprit.
One thing I am absolutely certain of though is that human beings are genetically adapted to survive in ruthless and hostile environments and are capable of coping with incredible psychological stress or trauma if they have the right support.
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They feel too much to actually think about anything anymore. Their right and wrong no longer exceed what theyre feeling. Truth and fact remain but an afterthought. As long as they feel good. As long as they hear what they want to hear. They will sign away their freedom and whole life to it. The religion however acted as the best sanctuary for them. Singing for them the songs of love and forgiveness. It shield them from the truth and result of their actions. Justify everything that they do. It offer them salvation, redemption and absolution from the weight of the sins theyre carrying. Sins they do not dare to admit. The light beguile and the darkness hide. Maybe they should fall and fall into the deepest pit of abyss. Maybe only then will they see.. maybe then they can carry the weight of the world on their shoulder and rise.. Its a wishful thinking on my part.. no pain, no amount of misery can wake them from this nightmare that called paradise. Even if the whole world burns because of their weakness. They will never wake up. The ripple from the past can never be stop.
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Joannf
Coração Vagabundo
- Oct 8, 2018
- 390
If you want to address these problems effectively, you need to address them genetically. Humans are hierarchic social animals, so pyramidal hierarchies arr what they naturally fall into.You can of coyrse keep trying to teach them some sort of "philosophy" which changes every few decades, while you do your best staying on top of the chain. Or you give in and let some of the erstwhile underlings take over your place at the top, after creating some "egalitarian" mass movement out of the sheeple for their transport through society.
It's simple. It's running out of perspectives that would give a social animal positive motivation, which is mostly composed of being a respected or envied member of the given society. There can be many reasons for this to happen, but it always comes down to this. Hardwired.
We live in a world which we exhaust for our own opulence, but the way brains work, they get bored by opulence. Opilence is the highest high we can reach, and then we fall back again - there's NO surprise in this. Motivation is obviously no longer needed now, so it fails to show.
People no longer die of hunger, they travel continents to have more free stuff (their motovation being only envy) while those who have much free stuff since birth get bored with free stuff and lose all motivation because the element of challenge is lost, or the envy others, which ismotivation - but their cahnces to equal those others are low, which makes them depressed rather than motivated. These are simple mechanisms. Look at the people here, they're all members of overfed Western society. The right support would be to give them a challenge but in our maternalized society all we do is cuddle them to death, and all they manage to do is cry "victim!"
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She said that she nowhere wants to work (name of the tread - "Fuck Work"), that the problem is in the system itself, that she hates this wageslavery system, if there was an opportunity not to work - then she would not work at all and live.
ExitTheDay
We fight to live or live to die
- May 26, 2019
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