100% Instant Painless Death?

[JoshuaCohen135]

Preferring a painless method over the opposite is more than reasonable, nobody disagrees on that. But when your goal is to escape the suffering that your physical condition is causing you, it is strange that you're not willing to endure the minor discomfort that N may cause, even when it is unlikely that it'll be unpleasant at all (except for the taste). By pursuing outlandish methods such as the laser rifle you linked to above, you are delaying your relief from the pain.

If you or anyone you know in chronic pain IRL most of us will tell you we don't want to die. It's the discomfort we want to escsape. We have lives. Some of us have passion or loved ones we don't want to leave behind.

You're assuming N is minor discomfort. I'm not convinced it is.

I'm bringing up the laser as an example what some kid builds in his parent's basement.

 

[Chinaski]

My thread. I say what I want...

Don't be childish please,

Quite.

 

[JustAboutDone]

Insignificant accent ^. You're all taking from the same boat here. Don't be childish please, just leave this thread if you can't look at it.

I'm not sure what is "childish" about querying what video I am supposed to have posted?

"You're all taking from the same boat"

I don't understand what you mean. Please afford me the courtesy of explaining.

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

You put this up - and claim to be "serious"
?

I'm illustrating a point to the guy who put up a video on phasers.

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

I haven't posted any videos at all

???

Oh wait, you're right. It was another poster.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I'm illustrating a point to the guy who put up a video on phasers.

Excellent. So can you ask your friend @Idorus to leave me out of this as they are dragging me into something that has nothing to do with me

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

Quite.

Alright. We won't see eye to eye. You think the question is futile. I don't.

Got it.

 

[About_to_Go]

I hope that you do come up with a 100% instant, painless method @JoshuaCohen135, I really do. It would help so many people here and outside of the website. However, considering that there have been many people working on this for many years... just don't get your hopes up on it.

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

I hope that you do come up with a 100% instant, painless method @JoshuaCohen135, I really do. It would help so many people here and outside of the website. However, considering that there have been many people working on this for many years... just don't get your hopes up on it.

My goal is for us to come up with avenues (get some science research and realistic feasible avenues) to explore as a group.

Crowdsource ideas here and possibly test it on some level.

While Reddit or Quora you may get some better qualified talent pool to come up with a solution it's outright taboo to discuss.

Not so here.

 

[OfficerK]

If you or anyone you know in chronic pain IRL most of us will tell you we don't want to die. It's the discomfort we want to escsape. We have lives. Some of us have passion or loved ones we don't want to leave behind.

You're assuming N is minor discomfort. I'm not convinced it is.

I'm bringing up the laser as an example what some kid builds in his parent's basement.

I don't think my post contradicts the first part of yours, so I'm not going to address that.

As for N, the way I see it, you have to assume a lot more in order to say that N is likely to be an unpleasant experience. For instance, if this is true, all countries that offer euthanasia to their citizens and all organizations advocating for it are lying about their observations and leading people to a painful death. What would they gain from doing that? Why not use nitrogen or helium?

 

[creationisdeath]

A shotgun to the brain is 100% instant and painless. Easy for those in gun friendly countries. I'm surprised the US are not leading in suicides with it being this easy.

Not sure if that laser post was serious. Even the strongest out there will just burn you.

 

[Idorus]

A shotgun to the brain is 100% instant and painless. Easy for those in gun friendly countries. I'm surprised the US are not leading in suicides with it being this easy.

So I recently heard, you can hire a hitman from East-Europe by paying a 10 to 15 thousand euro. He will fly to your country for one day and then leaves the same day. This wouldn't be a bad idea as usual they will just work by order of a client to kill the enemy. While I will be cooperating to the fullest.

 

[About_to_Go]

So I recently heard, you can hire a hitman from East-Europe by paying a 10 to 15 thousand euro. He will fly to your country for one day and then leaves the same day. This wouldn't be a bad idea as usual they will just work by order of a client to kill the enemy. While I will be cooperating to the fullest.

I've heard that hitmen won't accept a job if the client is the target

 

[Idorus]

I've heard that hitmen won't accept a job if the client is the target

Wow that would be shit.

 

[creationisdeath]

So I recently heard, you can hire a hitman from East-Europe by paying a 10 to 15 thousand euro. He will fly to your country for one day and then leaves the same day. This wouldn't be a bad idea as usual they will just work by order of a client to kill the enemy. While I will be cooperating to the fullest.

That sounds ridiculously cheap considering that their living expenses are not that much lower than the west's nowadays. Not that I could afford it anyway, but do you have a link?

I suppose this would work anonymously so just don't say you're the target yourself maybe?

 

[killing me softly]

I've heard that hitmen won't accept a job if the client is the target

fucking pro-life hitmen. what is the world coming to?

 

[Idorus]

That sounds ridiculously cheap considering that their living expenses are not that much lower than the west's nowadays. Not that I could afford it anyway, but do you have a link?

I suppose this would work anonymously so just don't say you're the target yourself maybe?

Yes a friend in my country told me this recently with the same old rant of why I wouldn't follow the news properly. So I have no link and I was trying to find the source of it.

I'm a bit afraid if I'm going to offer myself as the target under another persona that it would become some random shooting first instead of an instant death. Which means: suffering might be part of it (saying this as a gun novice).

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

also, if nothing else you can claim to be a illegitimate son of Kim Jong Il.

clearly, suicide by Kim Jong Un needs to become another Megathread.

You're telling me I spent all this time trying to a good method and all I had to do was mess around with a dictator? lmao

 

[About_to_Go]

I'm a bit afraid if I'm going to offer myself as the target under another persona that it would become some random shooting first instead of an instant death. Which means: suffering might be part of it (saying this as a gun novice).

Just to be clear, I think I read that you wouldn't be able to put out a hit on yourself on a website but it could be wrong.

 

[Idorus]

Just to be clear, I think I read that you wouldn't be able to put out a hit on yourself on a website but it could be wrong.

Read some hitman rules here and there.. but not one that doesn't allow yourself being the target. This as a first impression.

 

[EmotionlessWanderer]

Don't know if memes are allowed here but the opportunity is too golden

 

[Chinaski]

IDORUS: be polite and respectful, I'm reporting users for not approaching this topic in an appropriately serious manner which is not to my individual liking, genuine replies only please, otherwise butt out

ALSO IDORUS: hitmen r good. Look under H in the yellow pages, always check reviews before ordering, save money by arranging a "half up front, half on completion" deal

 

[Idorus]

The people mostly concerned about physical suffering often have a history of excruciating pain (under which I). Being ridiculed by the mainstream for having an exceptional but quite rightly concern cause it isn't theirs and they possess the truth aka premium end-of-life option N (moreover having it myself) smells to me like an all-destroying merciless group dynamic which I won't accept whether that means being expelled from the herd or not. It's a foolish story that one invariably falls asleep peacefully after taking poison. What seems to be painless for the common eye might be a paralysis of the muscles but no one cares. It's all about the glow, gleam and the glimmer as a perfect relfection of a numb society in which appearance rules.

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

As for N, the way I see it, you have to assume a lot more in order to say that N is likely to be an unpleasant experience. For instance, if this is true, all countries that offer euthanasia to their citizens and all organizations advocating for it are lying about their observations and leading people to a painful death. What would they gain from doing that? Why not use nitrogen or helium?

No not at all. Nobody's lying here. All good sincere intentions.

What I'm saying is consider the possibility that even if the subject is unconscious, it may not be painless at all. This is the outright destruction/end of the body and all biological processes.

The body even if we are not conscious will fight to the end. This is demonstrated on many of the end moment videos out there if anyone cares to look.

If we are talking about the same N, those 10 minutes, and 30 mins of dying (up to 8 hours pending on the subject) may not look like much to the outside observer.

Maybe some death rattle, body goes waxy discolored, and stiffening. However, to the subject it can be a world of suffering that cannot be articulated.

For example, As we saw with Smedley, he was suffering until he fell unconscious. Then it seems that the video was cut off prior to getting into the death rattle out of respect.

Just because the body is unconscious doesn't mean we don't go through the same biological process of dying. Nobody will know the feeling except the subject themselves.

Chemically speaking, if we subcribe to Sean Caroll's theory, the meaning of life is to hydrogenate carbon dioxide. Entropy driving this. It's not unreasonable to think our body evolved with the function in mind and will fight like hell to hold on...which can mean a lot of pain.

That said, shotgun aimed right is close to the fastest and arguably more convenient method. I'm saying we should do better and reduce the "what if" timeframe to near zero. Not the avg. 10-30 mins of "unknown level" pain with N.

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

Btw, if anybody can locate the video I spoke about it'll be good.

This is the mom getting euthanized via injection on couch by the nurse. It's the one where the son says goodbye and tells his mom to "make more of those delicious apple pies on the other side".

Other notable suicide videos based on methods:

- asian male wiping his nose on camera, and then shoots himself in the head. You can see the instant pain flinch and shock...followed by female screaming behind loud music.

- teen waving goodbye suicides by shotgun to face. Anime posters in back. 50 minute video, but you don't see much.
Just aftermath with people rushing in.

 

[About_to_Go]

I'm saying we should do better and reduce the "what if" timeframe to near zero. Not the avg. 10-30 mins of "unknown level" pain with N.

Ok, how do we do that? Many of us don't have access to firearms. Messing with explosives is not a good idea for obvious reasons.

 

[Cookiedough8956]

Btw, if anybody can locate the video I spoke about it'll be good.

This is the mom getting euthanized via injection on couch by the nurse. It's the one where the son says goodbye and tells his mom to "make more of those delicious apple pies on the other side".

Other notable suicide videos based on methods:

- asian male wiping his nose on camera, and then shoots himself in the head. You can see the instant pain flinch and shock...followed by female screaming behind loud music.

- teen waving goodbye suicides by shotgun to face. Anime posters in back. 50 minute video, but you don't see much.
Just aftermath with people rushing in.

where do you even find them , I never in my life found a suicide video. Well, I'm not too keen either..

 

[JoshuaCohen135]

Ok, how do we do that? Many of us don't have access to firearms. Messing with explosives is not a good idea for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying firearms are the answer either, but closer to a fast death. It's my backup.

Something that would instantly get to the brain, and kill us faster than neurons can signal is ideal. Shotguns leave residue, etc.

Suicide victims many times have a shock and grimace pain on their face.

 

[Idorus]

Btw, if anybody can locate the video I spoke about it'll be good.

This is the mom getting euthanized via injection on couch by the nurse. It's the one where the son says goodbye and tells his mom to "make more of those delicious apple pies on the other side".

I give up, can't find it. But would looooove to see it.

 

[Arak]

The people mostly concerned about physical suffering often have a history of excruciating pain (under which I). Being ridiculed by the mainstream for having an exceptional but quite rightly concern cause it isn't theirs and they possess the truth aka premium end-of-life option N (moreover having it myself) smells to me like an all-destroying merciless group dynamic which I won't accept whether that means being expelled from the herd or not. It's a foolish story that one invariably falls asleep peacefully after taking poison. What seems to be painless for the common eye might be a paralysis of the muscles but no one cares. It's all about the glow, gleam and the glimmer as a perfect relfection of a numb society in which appearance rules.

That I respect.

Everything is not (always) what it looks like.