Discussion Would you consider your depression as situational?

[No longer suicidal😁]

I wonder what percentage of suicidal people are so due to life circumstances vs due to mental health issues. I define mentally ill individuals as ones with great or good life circumstances, according to their standards, and yet are depressed. Those are the ones that, supposedly, will be happy if they can just treat the mental issues they have.

 

[Unending]

I selected other. I think that my depression is heavily a part of me and will be going anywhere that I go but also can be impacted to an extent by my circumstances.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Life circumstances for me. There ain't no pill for that, as far as I know.

 

[Suicidе]

Life is complete shit. Torture chamber. Permanent

 

[Wannagonow]

I would have to say "other". Basically because I'm confused about your definition of "mental illness ". Defining it in part as people having great or good life circumstances... I was diagnosed as having mental illness 30+ years ago. I've yet to experience great or good life circumstances ( overall). I guess I'll just remain confused.

 

[Rainy_days]

Mine is due largely to poor decisions, some from life circumstances, and perhaps some from genetics.

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

I would have to say "other". Basically because I'm confused about your definition of "mental illness ". Defining it in part as people having great or good life circumstances... I was diagnosed as having mental illness 30+ years ago. I've yet to experience great or good life circumstances ( overall). I guess I'll just remain confused.

When someone asks me why I want to CTB I tell them about how horrible of a country I live in and how abusive my parents were and still are...etc. I'm in that case depressed due to reasons that exist outside of my brain. If however a person has everything going great for them on paper but yet suffer from depression and lack of joy, aka anhedonia, then they might have something going on like a low level of neurotransmitters or some other "biological" cause. Someone like me will never get cured as the causes of my depression aren't biological. This has been agreed upon by the best psychiatrist in my area.

Much of it is to do with life circumstances but I have always disliked society. Unlike most people, I struggle to accept the unfair realities of society. I think my brain is wired differently. This society isn't meant for me.

I can totally resonate with that. I think one must be a certain way in order to fit in today's society.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

If being born the wrong sex counts as life circumstantial, then yes that.

 

[je.suis.prêt]

There should be an option for 'both'

 

[Life_and_Death]

Someone like me will never get cured as the causes of my depression aren't biological. This has been agreed upon by the best psychiatrist in my area.

this sounds like the exact opposite of whats true. speaking as someone with both
situational depression, that you claimed to be

I'm in that case depressed due to reasons that exist outside of my brain

can be fixed by changing your situation. moving away from the abusers and getting therapy to "teach" yourself that the way they treated you was wrong.
while a biological problem can only be managed and never truly fixed, you live with it forever in one form or another no matter what meds or therapy you do.

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

this sounds like the exact opposite of whats true. speaking as someone with both
situational depression, that you claimed to be

can be fixed by changing your situation. moving away from the abusers and getting therapy to "teach" yourself that the way they treated you was wrong.
while a biological problem can only be managed and never truly fixed, you live with it forever in one form or another no matter what meds or therapy you do.

I can't fix the outside factors. I live in a country where the current economical situation is really bad. I don't have a car and there is no reliable public transportation. I also don't fit in here as I'm an atheist but the society I live in is extremely religious. According to the different psychiatrists I have visited the only solution is to "accept" your circumstances and try to move on. I can't accept a situation that is causing me misery every day. That's like telling a slave to accept being a slave.

 

[TheCrowCalls]

Poor mental health generally leads to poor life circumstances which makes mental health worse. Same goes with poor life circumstance a which may cause mental health issues. It is a vicious chicken and egg cycle. And there isn't any rock bottom… more like oblivion

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

There should be an option for 'both'

Just added that.

 

[Life_and_Death]

I can't fix the outside factors. I live in a country where the current economical situation is really bad. I don't have a car and there is no reliable public transportation. I also don't fit in here as I'm an atheist but the society I live in is extremely religious. According to the different psychiatrists I have visited the only solution is to "accept" your circumstances and try to move on. I can't accept a situation that is causing me misery every day. That's like telling a slave to accept being a slave.

theres still a difference. as someone that lives with something that literally has zero possibility of getting fixed, there is zero option, this is slightly annoying. im not disagreeing with you that your situation doesnt suck, however if you suddenly won the lotto youd be able to afford to move and having an economical problem wouldnt be a problem anymore. absolutely nothing can help me. i could be taking every drug and have been in therapy since i was born. i could be the richest person in the world with a million honest friends and the best support group possible and my problems will still be here. just because youre not a current situation to have it fixed doesnt mean it cant be fixed, mine literally cant be fixed

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

theres still a difference. as someone that lives with something that literally has zero possibility of getting fixed, there is zero option, this is slightly annoying. im not disagreeing with you that your situation doesnt suck, however if you suddenly won the lotto youd be able to afford to move and having an economical problem wouldnt be a problem anymore. absolutely nothing can help me. i could be taking every drug and have been in therapy since i was born. i could be the richest person in the world with a million honest friends and the best support group possible and my problems will still be here. just because youre not a current situation to have it fixed doesnt mean it cant be fixed, mine literally cant be fixed

Yeah but I can't just hope to win the lottery. I rather not exist instead. There is nothing to regret when one is dead as the dead don't regret anything, unless one believes in afterlife and whatnot.

 

[Life_and_Death]

Yeah but I can't just hope to win the lottery.

youre right you cant, but my point then still stands your problems can be fixed

 

[Forever Sleep]

If I could have a creative career that was financially stable, then I think I'd have enough impetus to improve other things like my fitness and social skills which would improve my mental well being- so- situational. That has been enough for me in the past to keep me going.

HOWEVER, I also know it's maladjusted to be so utterly focused on a creative job- I'm obsessive about it. That has roots in childhood- art being a coping mechanism to distract me from other shit going on. So- that's likely mentally screwed up. Plus, I have other issues like social anxiety- which can't exactly be 'normal.' So, I think I'm likely a mixture of the two.

What I would say- is a change in situation would likely help me more than therapy and medication though. Seeing as a change in situation is so incredibly difficult and not at all certain, I reckon therapy and meds would just piss me off.

I get the impression- speaking to friends that meds in particular seem to make people more zombie-like, so they are able to cope with jobs and lives they for the most part detest. I have no interest in being a cog in this exploitative machine anymore. I don't want to be made more 'docile' (as I see it anyway) in order to comply. I could be wrong there of course- just an observation on my short experience with it and my friends.

I sort of think there are a HUGE amount of people who are unable to change their circumstances enough for it to be meaningful. SO much of it must have to do with finances I would think. In which case- when it comes to profound dissatisfaction with life to the exrent of being suicidal- won't therapy and meds only ever be a band-aid? (If the situational side can't be fixed?) How can you eliminate the mental illness side of things if all the triggers in someone's life still remain?

I suppose therapy and meds try to get you to cope with those triggers more successfully. I suppose that could be healthy- although not if it's just a case of doping you up to become numb to them and everything else. I don't know. All just feels like too much work! When CTB seems so much more appealing.

 

[Blue Horizons]

My life on paper is absolutely fantastic. My parents are very well off, we live in a nice home, we've traveled a lot, they've bought just about everything they can including a brand new truck for me. I've just about made it through college too, if I tried, I could have loads of avenues I could take as far as my career and futures go.

Yet my life feels like it's always been at a dead end. Every night including tonight if a gun appeared in front of me, I'd take it and do the inevitable. After a dozen or so therapists and psychiatrists, I haven't found much salvation.

I guess you could chalk it up to biology, but I always have a feeling in the back of my mind that if I forced myself to get a job, if I had some sort of drastic change in my life, I would stop being so miserable every single day.

I put my answer down as both.... I wish I could understand why I feel the way I feel.

 

[Mofreeko]

I would certainly like to enjoy life as someone without any personality disorders and at least average attractiveness, but that has never and never will be in the cards for me. It used to make me angry, but I've accepted it now for the most part.

I've also always hated working. I've worked in warehouses, factories, fast food places, ect and I've hated every minute of it. I would put up with work if it meant supporting a life I found worth living, but playing video games and browsing the internet for the few hours I have to myself before I have to work again just isn't worth it anymore. Basically it felt like I worked to support my ability to continue to go to work in the future. One day it was just too much and in July I walked out of my job and never came back. I know this isn't sustainable, but I'd literally rather die than get another job and that's what I'm going to do.

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

I sort of think there are a HUGE amount of people who are unable to change their circumstances enough for it to be meaningful. SO much of it must have to do with finances I would think. In which case- when it comes to profound dissatisfaction with life to the exrent of being suicidal- won't therapy and meds only ever be a band-aid? (If the situational side can't be fixed?) How can you eliminate the mental illness side of things if all the triggers in someone's life still remain?

That's exactly how I look at things. I tried medications for a long time, high doses too, yet nothing worked as the trigger was an outside factor. If a homeless person Is depressed because of their situation then giving them antidepressants won't work. You fix the situation first and then try to heal the mental effects they suffered due to being homeless.

 

[MideonNViscera]

Once you reach my age it's kind of hard to unwind the two. I can point to horrible life situations that made me depressed, and then I can point to horrible life situations that happened because I am depressed.

 

[LastFlowers]

I can't fix the outside factors. I live in a country where the current economical situation is really bad. I don't have a car and there is no reliable public transportation. I also don't fit in here as I'm an atheist but the society I live in is extremely religious. According to the different psychiatrists I have visited the only solution is to "accept" your circumstances and try to move on. I can't accept a situation that is causing me misery every day. That's like telling a slave to accept being a slave.

I agree with what you're saying, it's insulting and no real option to accept the unacceptable.
That's not a real solution.
Nor is wasting away hoping some lucky funds will fall into your lap.

*(I've been keeping quiet to keep the peace with that individual responding to you..but what I can't figure out is why they are randomly and incessantly antagonizing you by bringing up their own supposed issues when they have previously made their abundant privileges known on this site and now want to play the "I have it worse than anyone-ever" game, upping the ante to the childish extreme..just gets more and more out of control and juvenile every time I see the new additions to the narrative. Constructed.
Using a low odds miracle to dismiss a valid circumstance that will likely never change..bizarre.
Sorry I just feel bad that you're in that position and you're being bombarded by nonsense that makes less and less sense as it goes on.
They have no ground to be perturbed by your predicament and your assessment of it, especially knowing what I do as well as the research done on "mental illness" and the fact that plenty of other "biological" detriments exist outside of the brain.)

 

[outrider567]

Life Reasons this year, little reason to go on

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

I agree with what you're saying, it's insulting and no real option to accept the unacceptable.
That's not a real solution.
Nor is wasting away hoping some lucky funds will fall into your lap.

*(I've been keeping quiet to keep the peace with that individual responding to you..but what I can't figure out is why they are randomly and incessantly antagonizing you by bringing up their own supposed issues when they have previously made their abundant privileges known on this site and now want to play the "I have it worse than anyone-ever" game, upping the ante to the childish extreme..just gets more and more out of control and juvenile every time I see the new additions to the narrative. Constructed.
Using a low odds miracle to dismiss a valid circumstance that will likely never change..bizarre.
Sorry I just feel bad that you're in that position and you're being bombarded by nonsense that makes less and less sense as it goes on.
They have no ground to be perturbed by your predicament and your assessment of it, especially knowing what I do as well as the research done on "mental illness" and the fact that plenty of other "biological" detriments exist outside of the brain.)

I really appreciate your support.

 

[FuneralCry]

At least in my case my wish to die is nothing to do with 'mental illness'. It's so insane to me when ignorant people label all suicidal people as being 'mentally ill', no wanting suicide is more rational than wishing to inevitably suffer, age and deteriorate. As long as we exist we can potentially get tortured to such extreme extents and to die would prevent this so it makes so much sense to wish to leave. My overall reason to want to die is that I see no value in prolonging this existence and delaying the inevitable. I simply despise existing in every way possible and always will do, existing is something so tedious and painful.
I just don't see what is so beneficial and valuable about existing in any way to make it all worth enduring, and I see life itself as being the thing that I have a problem with so only death could be the solution to me.

 

[RUPA]

For me, it was purely existential and temperament/personality wise to begin with. Getting old, it has affected life situations that also have caused depression so that it has become situational as well.

 

[kazewoatsumete]

For me, I'd say it's both. I am the way I am due to personal circumstances— abuse, neglect, and intense grief have formed me into the person I am and shaped my worldviews. When my emotional needs are met, I am generally functional (to a lesser extent than others) but when they are not I fall apart completely. Due to the impossibility of being able to keep my emotional needs met, I believe that might be indicative of a mental illness as well.

 

[LookingforAnswers]

My answer is mental illness.

I have a very good life on paper. Great job, wife, friends (lost some due to this), own a home, money in the bank.

Due to some confusion and stress i point on myself along with maybe alcohol intake i developed a mental illness around July 2021. It started out as insomnia, but developed quickly into brain pain and suicidal ideation daily. Ive tried about 5-6 ads/aps, am currently trying esketamine. But daily is just a grind.

I long for my prior life so badly. It seems as though some changes drastically happened in my brain as before i was very happy consistently.

 

[BlazingBob]

My mental health led to shitty life circumstances. A downward spiral into the abyss. My treatment resistant depression rears its head no matter what I'm doing. Does anyone else get 'suicide' bombs? I could doing something fun like being at an amusement park or having sex and out of nowhere I'll get these super powerful thoughts of wanting to end my life on the spot.

 

[No longer suicidal😁]

My answer is mental illness.

I have a very good life on paper. Great job, wife, friends (lost some due to this), own a home, money in the bank.

Due to some confusion and stress i point on myself along with maybe alcohol intake i developed a mental illness around July 2021. It started out as insomnia, but developed quickly into brain pain and suicidal ideation daily. Ive tried about 5-6 ads/aps, am currently trying esketamine. But daily is just a grind.

I long for my prior life so badly. It seems as though some changes drastically happened in my brain as before i was very happy consistently.

I wish you get your good life back soon. Do you still struggle with insomnia? If so, have you tried non medical treatment? Like exercising before bed time, taking a hot shower, cooling down the room prior to bed time, getting a more comfortable mattress, etc...?

My mental health led to shitty life circumstances. A downward spiral into the abyss. My treatment resistant depression rears its head no matter what I'm doing. Does anyone else get 'suicide' bombs? I could doing something fun like being at an amusement park or having sex and out of nowhere I'll get these super powerful thoughts of wanting to end my life on the spot.

If you don't mind me asking, are these thoughts in anyway related to some kind of life issue you've dealt or dealing with? Like, is it "I want to ctb because of..." or is it just pure desire to ctb without a reason behind it?

I used to have this kind of pattern before as I try yo better my life but then all the sudden I feel hopeless as I feel like I am fooling myself by believing that I can change my circumstances. It's hard to change my parents, my country, my past which is filled of traumatic events.