I've read about biting tongue off and failing to call paramedics with other things like cyanide and hanging. SN is an inexpensive salt, scamming unlikely. You're spreading misinformation. @toomuchtimetodie
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I know my grammars far from perfect but If you read what I'm saying in order than just picking a sentence you don't like thinking I'm talking about your favourite chemical. Just that ive been told in conversation this is how people have been found where these chemicals have been mentioned. I'm more just trying to express my opinion on the amount of fake things about and hope people don't get the mixes that are not correctly dosed or a concoction of drugs that will give anyone a horrible death.
And not just typical anecdotal evidence, but internet anecdotal evidence. Where you don't even know if the anecdote or indeed the reteller is in any way genuine.
I define anecdotal evidence as anything that isn't a double-blind placebo-controlled experiment. Is that inaccurate?
That said, I'm not here to argue at all...I'm not sure where you're getting that from lol.
I tagged you because I believe you legitimately have answers for OP, as you are informed on the topic.
How can you apparently know legitimate phrases like 'double-blind placebo-controlled experiment' and yet somehow be ignorant enough to think anything that isn't one of those must automatically be anecdotal evidence?
And not just typical anecdotal evidence, but internet anecdotal evidence. Where you don't even know if the anecdote or indeed the reteller is in any way genuine.
How can you apparently know legitimate phrases like 'double-blind placebo-controlled experiment' and yet somehow be ignorant enough to think anything that isn't one of those must automatically be anecdotal evidence?
Anecdotal evidence is anything that is a testimony/story. The only way to bypass a "testimony" is an experimental setting...Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean "dubious" or "false" evidence, like a lot of people may define it as. It can be useful, and is definitely useful in a lot of cases.At least, that's how I understand it. Is that correct, or no?
Anecdotal evidence is anything that is a testimony/story. The only way to bypass a "testimony" is an experimental setting...Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean "dubious" or "false" evidence, like a lot of people may define it as. It can be useful, and is definitely useful in a lot of cases.At least, that's how I understand it. Is that correct, or no?
I'm glad on clarification that you're actually not ignorant in the way your original comment may have implied.
There are a multiple of other experimental designs that still have empirical validity without being double-blind placebo controlled. And that's apart from the obvious fact that such studies would be impossible or unethical in this field.
Additionally, the highly controversial nature of suicide means that less rigorous study methods are more likely to prevalent, including qualitative and narrative accounts. Those given by trusted sources, such as the authors of the various suicide books quoted on this site, still have value and are often the closest thing to definitive advice you are going to find.
We all need to work out our own personal threshold of reliance on sources of evidence for such an important topic as how to end our lives peacefully. Some of us may only believe things from reputable organisations like Dignitas, others from book authors working independently, from long-established forum regulars like Stan or even from newer and less credible posters. What we are least likely to believe, and rightly so in my opinion, is second-hand anecdotal evidence in the vein of 'something a paramedic told me and I am now retelling here'.
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I do hope it's peaceful... I just received my package of two kilos, and my country just entered the full quarintine... so no hopes of getting more. I ain't sure of it's purity, other than the seller claimed it to be 97-99% pure... I really don't hope it comes to this but... if my life becomes a living hell, I am gonna take it, and hope for the best.
Very curious myself still. People mention you slip away into a peaceful sleep but I've heard from first responders that most have died horribly. Phones in hands trying to call for help but realize they're immobile, go into shock, one guy had a seizure and bit his tongue off. Most die with the 'too late' look on their face. And people have been sold underdosed or fake product and ended up with permanent physical illness too often.
I know I will get alot of negative for speaking the truth as anyone does, I've noticed its so well defended and encouraged here I wonder how many people are trying to sell us fake product.
It's probably a totally different story if you're getting genuine product and know what you're doing. Or better, someone supporting you. I steer clear of it for now I don't trust any sellers myself knowing how others have suffered from it.
I do hope it's peaceful... I just received my package of two kilos, and my country just entered the full quarintine... so no hopes of getting more. I ain't sure of it's purity, other than the seller claimed it to be 97-99% pure... I really don't hope it comes to this but... if my life becomes a living hell, I am gonna take it, and hope for the best.
Very curious myself still. People mention you slip away into a peaceful sleep but I've heard from first responders that most have died horribly. Phones in hands trying to call for help but realize they're immobile, go into shock, one guy had a seizure and bit his tongue off. Most die with the 'too late' look on their face. And people have been sold underdosed or fake product and ended up with permanent physical illness too often.
I know I will get alot of negative for speaking the truth as anyone does, I've noticed its so well defended and encouraged here I wonder how many people are trying to sell us fake product.
It's probably a totally different story if you're getting genuine product and know what you're doing. Or better, someone supporting you. I steer clear of it for now I don't trust any sellers myself knowing how others have suffered from it.
Actually, a fair bit of info has been gathered on this site, which completely contradicts most of what you are saying.
Perhaps you are simply misinformed or haven't done enough research.
However, feel free to post links to any evidence that backs up what you are saying.
NOTE : One-off cases don't necessarily count.....
e.g. If 300 people receive a good product, and you post a link to one or two people who got a bad product, then those are rare cases.....
How would a first responder determine that someone has "died horribly" ?
Can you tell us about the cases of people using underdosed / fake products who ended up with permanent physical illness ?
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I read your post that explained it was "word of mouth".
A friend of yours knows or knew a paramedic.
That information is too vague to be meaningfully examined.
We don't know what protocol / regime those people followed.
Also we would need numbers, eg did he see 3 "bad" cases, and 200 peaceful cases, and was he just discussing the bad cases he had seen, etc...
On this forum, people have carried out some quite diligent information gathering over a large number of cases.
I've studied those cases, and other information on this site.
My notes on the matter are :
RELIABILITY
If you follow the protocol (Stan's guide) closely, and have a certain amount of determination to undergo some discomfort without calling an ambulance, and provided you take precautions to not be found, then the likelihood of the method failing is very low.
Some members have vomited, but still been successful. In the cases where people vomited it doesn't appear they drank any more SN, yet they still appeared to succeed, although the recommendation is to have a couple of extra glasses ready, and to drink more in the event of vomiting. For cases where the method has failed (mostly due to the reasons stated), the recovery seems to be good, and there don't seem to be many reports of serious lasting damage.
PEACEFULNESS
I've read various accounts of people taking SN, from various sources.
The overall impression I get is that it is fairly peaceful.
I believe there will likely be some discomfort, but I don't believe the discomfort level is particularly high.
I have heard it described as being like a "bad hangover".
I believe people usually go unconscious after about 20 minutes.
Note : I have stated what I believe to be true and the impression I have obtained, based on things I have read and things that have been posted by others. I cannot give guarantees.
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Hey guys thanks for all of your responses...I'm getting my Sn today.....gonna go for ctb in coming days whenever I feel to go for it...life has become miserable and a Mystery.
People please message me your experience with sn...it will help me a lot.
Die with "too late" look? You probably mean , in medical terms , Toolatus Lookus Syndrome .
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS
Misleading ; "most" does not mean "all" , good documentation exist , including medical cases (ICU). People were received to ICU units with SN poisoning and were not really screaming and shouting in pain . The case reports including patients who recovered or died . They are not "anecdotal" but real medical cases .
You enjoy arguing and sawing discord , I'm not into it .
As mentioned in my post above, on this forum people have carried out some quite diligent information gathering over a large number of cases.
For example :
Very curious myself still. People mention you slip away into a peaceful sleep but I've heard from first responders that most have died horribly. Phones in hands trying to call for help but realize they're immobile, go into shock, one guy had a seizure and bit his tongue off. Most die with the 'too late' look on their face. And people have been sold underdosed or fake product and ended up with permanent physical illness too often.
I know I will get alot of negative for speaking the truth as anyone does, I've noticed its so well defended and encouraged here I wonder how many people are trying to sell us fake product.
It's probably a totally different story if you're getting genuine product and know what you're doing. Or better, someone supporting you. I steer clear of it for now I don't trust any sellers myself knowing how others have suffered from it.
I'm a bit confused, you say you've heard from first responders, then it's just one first responder mate, says that most, so now they are now the sole international first responder to SN cases, know they have died horribly somehow. The fact that their phones were in their hands means nothing I'm not sure how the first responder knew how a dead person "realised" they were immobile without asking them or that they went into shock. What even is a "too late look?". I can only imagine your mate have has seen some pretty horrific sights as a first responder that might lead him to believe the death was horrific, but it's probably a bit of a stretch for him to know what went on for a dead body before they got there. It's an anxiety provoking enough time trying to formulate your own death without people adding in conjecture such as this which can force people into more violent or less effective methods.
I'm a bit confused, you say you've heard from first responders, then it's just one first responder mate, says that most, so now they are now the sole international first responder to SN cases, know they have died horribly somehow. The fact that their phones were in their hands means nothing I'm not sure how the first responder knew how a dead person "realised" they were immobile without asking them or that they went into shock. What even is a "too late look?". I can only imagine your mate have has seen some pretty horrific sights as a first responder that might lead him to believe the death was horrific, but it's probably a bit of a stretch for him to know what went on for a dead body before they got there. It's an anxiety provoking enough time trying to formulate your own death without people adding in conjecture such as this which can force people into more violent or less effective methods.
@Quarky00 has covered this already....
TLS (Toolatus Lookus Syndrome) has been well researched and documented in a number of respected medical research periodicals (eg the Beano).
Many subjects were noted to have their eyes pointing outward, one eye looking at their watch, the other looking at their phone.
These are typical symptoms that seem to correlate with Toolatus Lookus Syndrome.
It is thought that TLS may soon emerge as the leading cause of death worldwide, although an antidote (Preventus Intimus) is being worked on....
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@Quarky00 has covered this already....
TLS (Toolatus Lookus Syndrome) has been well researched and documented in a number of respected medical research periodicals (eg the Beano).
Many subjects were noted to have their eyes pointing outward, one eye looking at their watch, the other looking at their phone.
These are typical symptoms that seem to correlate with Toolatus Lookus Syndrome.
It is thought that TLS may soon emerge as the leading cause of death worldwide, although an antidote (Preventus Intimus) is being worked on....
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Phones in hands trying to call for help but realize they're immobile, go into shock, one guy had a seizure and bit his tongue off. Most die with the 'too late' look on their face.
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While it may be tempting to make fun of this poster, let's not forget there are verified crime scene photos of SN suicide victims which clearly back up his version of events...
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While it may be tempting to make fun of this poster, let's not forget there are verified crime scene photos of SN suicide victims which clearly back up his version of events...
While it may be tempting to make fun of this poster, let's not forget there are verified crime scene photos of SN suicide victims which clearly back up his version of events...
Poor guy is literally frozen into position while trying to call for help.....
One of the saddest cases of Toolatus Lookus Syndrome I've ever encountered.....
Sadly, he had to be placed in his coffin in this exact postion, and they were unable to remove the phone from his hand...
I've read about biting tongue off and failing to call paramedics with other things like cyanide and hanging. SN is an inexpensive salt, scamming unlikely. You're spreading misinformation. @toomuchtimetodie
Anecdotal evidence is anything that is a testimony/story. The only way to bypass a "testimony" is an experimental setting...Anecdotal evidence doesn't mean "dubious" or "false" evidence, like a lot of people may define it as. It can be useful, and is definitely useful in a lot of cases.At least, that's how I understand it.
Anecdotal evidence is evidence from anecdotes: evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony.
It's not just as many people define it . And even so it's not anecdotal . That is spreading misinformation . I directed you several times , you always choose to argue while ignoring the facts . This is now a clear pattern . This is the threshold where healthy skepticism turns into mistruths . "What do words even mean" is classic trolling/misinformation -- while you may not do so with malice I don't like it . (CC: @jgm63 )
It's not just as many people define it . And even so it's not anecdotal . That is spreading misinformation . I directed you several times , you always choose to argue while ignoring the facts . This is a now a clear pattern . This is the threshold where healthy skepticism turns into mistruths . "What do words even mean" is classic trolling/misinformation -- while you may not do so with malice I don't like it . (CC: @jgm63 )
Thank you for providing detailed information and proof there doesn't seem to be life changing injures or lasting damage if your attempt fails,.
Just thought I would add if anyone is interested in meat curing, it's 2g of SN added and mixed with a 1000g of salt,
Stop it I can't stop laughing. Someone might think I'm happy and have had a Justin Timus recovery.
Also, I don't think the first responder mate even has any anecdotal evidence since he wasn't actually there when every person with Lookus Toolatas Syndrome on the planet died, it's simply conjecture as to what he "thinks" happened from evidence after the fact. If he was there to know what the dying thought and how they reacted to gain his ancdodal evidence he would be charged with Lookus and Not Actus which is a criminal offence surely
Stop it I can't stop laughing. Someone might think I'm happy and have a Justin Timus recovery.
Also, I don't think the first responder mate even has any anecdotal evidence since he wasn't actually there when every person with Lookus Toolatas Syndrome on the planet died, it's simply conjecture as to what he "thinks" happened from evidence after the fact. If he was there to know what the dying thought and how they reacted to gain his ancdodal evidence he would be charged with Lookus and Not Actus which is a criminal offence surely
I think its mainly easy to get. I can get it online and have it shipped in a couple of days. Mix it with water and follow the guide then slip away. No side effects if you get saved and its peaceful i guess. No mess left for some one to clean up ,etc
How do people know it's a peaceful way out? As I came across another thread on this forum that mentioned SN can actually burn through many of your organs and actually do a lot of damage to your esophagus.
It's not just as many people define it . And even so it's not anecdotal . That is spreading misinformation . I directed you several times , you always choose to argue while ignoring the facts . This is now a clear pattern . This is the threshold where healthy skepticism turns into mistruths . "What do words even mean" is classic trolling/misinformation -- while you may not do so with malice I don't like it . (CC: @jgm63 )
At the end of our previous thread (the one you linked), I sincerely apologized for not doing further research. How is that "choosing to argue while ignoring facts?" After your last response in that thread, I didn't attempt to refute what you were saying. I realized I had missed the whole "death rattles" component because I wasn't being mindful in our conversation.
Either way (and that's not the point) it is not anecdotal : SN scientific articles | Sanctioned Suicide
Attached is a PDF sumary of scientific articles about SN. Googling the headlines will bring up the whole document
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/styles/uix/images/favicon-32x32.png sanctionedsuicide.com
I have never seen this PDF prior to you linking it here.
I feel I cannot comment or respond to it, because no matter what I say, I'll be accused of trolling, spreading misinformation, or being argumentative.
How do people know it's a peaceful way out? As I came across another thread on this forum that mentioned SN can actually burn through many of your organs and actually do a lot of damage to your esophagus.
There can be isolated threads on this board saying any number of things, whether true or untrue, credible or ridiculous. After all, anyone can join and post here, and threads aren't ever censored or deleted merely because they are incorrect. What you need to look at is the bulk of information cited here in its entirety, including books, scientific papers, qualitative and narrative accounts, experienced member opinions and success/failure accounts from members.
In my opinion, and that of a great many far more experienced members here, the vast majority of that information strongly supports the view that SN is a relatively peaceful method. To my knowledge there is no credible information suggesting SN can 'burn through many of your organs' nor 'actually do a lot of damage to your esophagus'. While symptoms such as pain are admittedly more subjective and harder to predict until you try the method, objective phenomena like organ or esophageal damage can probably be ruled out by anyone with a basic medical or scientific background.
How do people know it's a peaceful way out? As I came across another thread on this forum that mentioned SN can actually burn through many of your organs and actually do a lot of damage to your esophagus.
Hey guys thanks for all of your responses...I'm getting my Sn today.....gonna go for ctb in coming days whenever I feel to go for it...life has become miserable and a Mystery.
People please message me your experience with sn...it will help me a lot.
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