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seasonsdied

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I understand that dying is complicated, hard and makes things much worse if it goes wrong but still. Why is everyone going for SN? It honestly does not seem like the best way to die to me.
At the very least I believe it should be accompanied with CO or N to make it easier or am I wrong in believing this?
 
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CantDoIt

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SN is the only reasonably-peaceful non-complex method. N is hard to get and CO is complicated to set up and can cause brain damage if done wrong.
 
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I can't seem to find a reliable source of SN. Also burning coal and taking lots of sleeping pills with SN seems a more robust plan to me. But everyone recently is going ahead with SN, am I missing something? In case SN ends up ineffective I still go away.
 
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ThatStateOfMind

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Easily accessible and cheap, reasonable setup, and somewhat peaceful (much more so if you follow protocol). I think another big one is that failure usually doesn't have lasting damage. Also, CO2 cannot be done in a hotel or apartment building, which disincentivizes it for some people.
 
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Easily accessible and cheap, reasonable setup, and somewhat peaceful (much more so if you follow protocol). I think another big one is that failure usually doesn't have lasting damage. Also, CO2 cannot be done in a hotel or apartment building, which disincentivizes it for some people.

I can't verify the sellers of SN and definitely don't want to end up on suicidewatch. Is it possible to make it?
 
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Hanging seems like a more accessible and effective method to me. Maybe im missing something
 
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opheliaoveragain

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People have spoke about making it (SN) on here but I doubt the reliability of doing so. N is a pipedream now pretty much, anyone new that pops up saying they have N is more than likely scamming.
 
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Because there is no better and simpler method that is relatively easily available.
 
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I can't verify the sellers of SN and definitely don't want to end up on suicidewatch. Is it possible to make it?
I suppose you theoretically could, but chemistry is so precise and you'd likely create an impure substance. I do genuinely believe you'd be better off buying it. Seems like DMC is a safe source is you can locate the site
 
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rozeske

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If you have doubts about it's effectiveness, making it yourself is the last thing you should do.
 
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I think with SN it's easier to back out. After a few woozy minutes, you could probably pick up the phone, and probably get medical attention.
 
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Tommen Baratheon

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It doesn't seem peaceful to me. Even with antiemetics people seem to be puking their guts out. That's not how I want to spend my last minutes. With helium or nitrogen it's lights out in a matter of minutes.
 
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It used to be really easy and cheap to get, it's RELATIVELY peaceful compared to some other methods, the procedure for this method has been laid out in detail on some of the guides here, and even if it fails there's less likely to be any permanent side effects.
 
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It doesn't seem peaceful to me. Even with antiemetics people seem to be puking their guts out. That's not how I want to spend my last minutes. With helium or nitrogen it's lights out in a matter of minutes.
The inert gas method is theoretically calmer and better, but it is technically much more complicated and expensive (which is a problem for many). Furthermore, in case of eventual failure with the inert gas method, there is a probability of permanent consequences for the organism, which in the case of SN has not been documented so far.
 
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From others account it seems to not cause as much damage as other methods if it fails
 
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  • It's easy to acquire if you know where to look.
  • It's relatively cheap compared to other methods (though it's gotten much more expensive over the past few years).
  • It's very lethal and reliable if you follow protocol, and more importantly don't get found early or call for help (the majority of failures are caused by these two factors).
  • It's legal.
  • It's easy to execute (just drink a liquid, similar to nembutal).
  • It's logistically and technically easy to set up, unlike things like inert gas or CO (CO in particular can be finicky, while inert gas can be complicated for some).
  • You can do it from the comfort of your own bed, which some methods do not allow for.
  • It's relatively peaceful compared to other poisons and methods. If you hate nausea or vomiting, as well as tachycardia, the method may not be for you (unless you're willing to tough it out).
  • It works quickly (unconsciousness in 15-20 mins, 35-40 mins in the worst case scenario. and death within 40-60 mins, to a few hours in the worst case scenario).
  • There appears to be little to no permanent damage if you fail (even for individuals who had 90% or more methemoglobin concentration and died were brought back with little to no issues), though this could be a case of survivorship bias, it's also backed up by medical journal case studies.


I personally classify it as a silver-standard method, with gold-standard methods being guns, inert gas, barbiturates, and fentanyl (if you get lucky and get a high potency batch of pills). But these methods all have issues of access, legality, and technical difficulty, so it's not always an option for everyone.

That's why SN is so popular here. It's a lot easier to just drink a liquid and tough out some general discomfort and illness for ~15-20 minutes than hang yourself, jump off a building, get hit by a train, and whatnot. There's a reason why overdoses and poisonings account for the majority of suicide attempts - it's simply easier to ingest something orally, as your SI is not triggered so strongly like with methods that involve body envelope violations. The only difference is, SN is extremely likely to work, whereas something like ODing on antidepressants is just gonna give you a bad time at the hospital + a psych ward stay. And as already mentioned, it's pretty easy to acquire even today, it's simple to set up, it's relatively cheap (i'm pinching for pennies and I was still able to shell out $150 for a full SN protocol), you can do it wherever you feel is most comfortable, it's easy to execute and pull off, it's by no means the worst method in terms of suffering endured before death, it's very effective, and it appears to be safe to attempt even in the event of failure (it's easily reversed at the hospital).

If you feel like CO is a better method for you, then I'm glad you have a method that is right for you. But for others, SN is the method that is better for them, and there's very good reasons for it, just like CO. Every method has advantages and disadvantages, and VERY few people are lucky enough to get something like Sodium Pentobarbital these days, or put together an inert gas setup, so a totally peaceful and pleasant death is out of the question for many. So it's just a matter of picking your poison (pun/gallows humor unintended).

edit: lmao I didn't fully read your posts before making this, so I didn't see that you asked if combining CO and SN is worth doing. I thought CO was what you thought was better. So to answer: it's not necessary. CO is very effective IF you can get the proper concentration going, and SN will only make the experience less peaceful. And if you're doing SN, CO is just a needless extra step of complication. SN is already very effective on its own, barring you are not found early or call for help, as previously stated.
 
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Trav1989

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I can't verify the sellers of SN and definitely don't want to end up on suicidewatch. Is it possible to make it?
Yeah, it's possible but it takes a lot of time and certain tools. That's why a lot of us just choose to buy it from reputable suppliers such as DMC. I got SN from DMC and it's 99.7% pure and only costed me about $60.
 
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  • It's easy to acquire if you know where to look.
  • It's relatively cheap compared to other methods (though it's gotten much more expensive over the past few years).
  • It's very lethal and reliable if you follow protocol, and more importantly don't get found early or call for help (the majority of failures are caused by these two factors).
  • It's legal.
  • It's easy to execute (just drink a liquid, similar to nembutal).
  • It's logistically and technically easy to set up, unlike things like inert gas or CO (CO in particular can be finicky, while inert gas can be complicated for some).
  • You can do it from the comfort of your own bed, which some methods do not allow for.
  • It's relatively peaceful compared to other poisons and methods. If you hate nausea or vomiting, as well as tachycardia, the method may not be for you (unless you're willing to tough it out).
  • It works quickly (unconsciousness in 15-20 mins, 35-40 mins in the worst case scenario. and death within 40-60 mins, to a few hours in the worst case scenario).
  • There appears to be little to no permanent damage if you fail (even for individuals who had 90% or more methemoglobin concentration and died were brought back with little to no issues), though this could be a case of survivorship bias, it's also backed up by medical journal case studies.


I personally classify it as a silver-standard method, with gold-standard methods being guns, inert gas, barbiturates, and fentanyl (if you get lucky and get a high potency batch of pills). But these methods all have issues of access, legality, and technical difficulty, so it's not always an option for everyone.

That's why SN is so popular here. It's a lot easier to just drink a liquid and tough out some general discomfort and illness for ~15-20 minutes than hang yourself, jump off a building, get hit by a train, and whatnot. There's a reason why overdoses and poisonings account for the majority of suicide attempts - it's simply easier to ingest something orally, as your SI is not triggered so strongly like with methods that involve body envelope violations. The only difference is, SN is extremely likely to work, whereas something like ODing on antidepressants is just gonna give you a bad time at the hospital + a psych ward stay. And as already mentioned, it's pretty easy to acquire even today, it's simple to set up, it's relatively cheap (i'm pinching for pennies and I was still able to shell out $150 for a full SN protocol), you can do it wherever you feel is most comfortable, it's easy to execute and pull off, it's by no means the worst method in terms of suffering endured before death, it's very effective, and it appears to be safe to attempt even in the event of failure (it's easily reversed at the hospital).

If you feel like CO is a better method for you, then I'm glad you have a method that is right for you. But for others, SN is the method that is better for them, and there's very good reasons for it, just like CO. Every method has advantages and disadvantages, and VERY few people are lucky enough to get something like Sodium Pentobarbital these days, or put together an inert gas setup, so a totally peaceful and pleasant death is out of the question for many. So it's just a matter of picking your poison (pun/gallows humor unintended).

edit: lmao I didn't fully read your posts before making this, so I didn't see that you asked if combining CO and SN is worth doing. I thought CO was what you thought was better. So to answer: it's not necessary. CO is very effective IF you can get the proper concentration going, and SN will only make the experience less peaceful. And if you're doing SN, CO is just a needless extra step of complication. SN is already very effective on its own, barring you are not found early or call for help, as previously stated.
Almost everything you mentioned can be said about the inert gas method. Do you have a reliable source that confirms permanent damage after a failed attempt? I searched and couldn't find any (and there is research about helium and ctb).

IMO finding helium or nitrogen is easier than finding SN. It's legal, easy to buy (unlike SN) and you don't need a ton of other meds to combine it with. The setup is not that hard. It's basically a plastic bag and a gas tank. It's also faster than SN.

As for it being expensive: I can find a helium tank (99,9% purity, 20 l, 200 bar, so 4.000 l helium) and regulator for less than 400 euro, delivered at home. You only die once, right?
 
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I understand that dying is complicated, hard and makes things much worse if it goes wrong but still. Why is everyone going for SN? It honestly does not seem like the best way to die to me.
At the very least I believe it should be accompanied with CO or N to make it easier or am I wrong in believing this?
I don't know. I've wondered this as well.

If we're still alive a few years from now, it might be interesting to revisit this thread.

CO is really easy to buy.

You just walk into a Walmart or Home Depot.

This is what Dr. Kevorkian called, the "Mercy Machine", correct?

Quite frankly, after reading the various threads on here SN doesn't appear to me anyway as anything peaceful.

But who knows? It's a good question to ask. And even ask again.

After all, this is YOUR life.

For those that are going to use this eventually or already have...I wish you the best of luck in your journey.
 
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ijustwishtodie

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It isn't the best method out there but it's better than most suicide methods. At the end of the day, I blame humans for being cruel and heavily regulating death and making death difficult to achieve
 
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  • It's easy to acquire if you know where to look.
  • It's relatively cheap compared to other methods (though it's gotten much more expensive over the past few years).
  • It's very lethal and reliable if you follow protocol, and more importantly don't get found early or call for help (the majority of failures are caused by these two factors).
  • It's legal.
  • It's easy to execute (just drink a liquid, similar to nembutal).
  • It's logistically and technically easy to set up, unlike things like inert gas or CO (CO in particular can be finicky, while inert gas can be complicated for some).
  • You can do it from the comfort of your own bed, which some methods do not allow for.
  • It's relatively peaceful compared to other poisons and methods. If you hate nausea or vomiting, as well as tachycardia, the method may not be for you (unless you're willing to tough it out).
  • It works quickly (unconsciousness in 15-20 mins, 35-40 mins in the worst case scenario. and death within 40-60 mins, to a few hours in the worst case scenario).
  • There appears to be little to no permanent damage if you fail (even for individuals who had 90% or more methemoglobin concentration and died were brought back with little to no issues), though this could be a case of survivorship bias, it's also backed up by medical journal case studies.


I personally classify it as a silver-standard method, with gold-standard methods being guns, inert gas, barbiturates, and fentanyl (if you get lucky and get a high potency batch of pills). But these methods all have issues of access, legality, and technical difficulty, so it's not always an option for everyone.

That's why SN is so popular here. It's a lot easier to just drink a liquid and tough out some general discomfort and illness for ~15-20 minutes than hang yourself, jump off a building, get hit by a train, and whatnot. There's a reason why overdoses and poisonings account for the majority of suicide attempts - it's simply easier to ingest something orally, as your SI is not triggered so strongly like with methods that involve body envelope violations. The only difference is, SN is extremely likely to work, whereas something like ODing on antidepressants is just gonna give you a bad time at the hospital + a psych ward stay. And as already mentioned, it's pretty easy to acquire even today, it's simple to set up, it's relatively cheap (i'm pinching for pennies and I was still able to shell out $150 for a full SN protocol), you can do it wherever you feel is most comfortable, it's easy to execute and pull off, it's by no means the worst method in terms of suffering endured before death, it's very effective, and it appears to be safe to attempt even in the event of failure (it's easily reversed at the hospital).

If you feel like CO is a better method for you, then I'm glad you have a method that is right for you. But for others, SN is the method that is better for them, and there's very good reasons for it, just like CO. Every method has advantages and disadvantages, and VERY few people are lucky enough to get something like Sodium Pentobarbital these days, or put together an inert gas setup, so a totally peaceful and pleasant death is out of the question for many. So it's just a matter of picking your poison (pun/gallows humor unintended).

edit: lmao I didn't fully read your posts before making this, so I didn't see that you asked if combining CO and SN is worth doing. I thought CO was what you thought was better. So to answer: it's not necessary. CO is very effective IF you can get the proper concentration going, and SN will only make the experience less peaceful. And if you're doing SN, CO is just a needless extra step of complication. SN is already very effective on its own, barring you are not found early or call for help, as previously stated.
I couldn't put it better than this.

I will add, with regards to any pain that may occur with SN, that I'm okay with it. 20-40 minutes and It will over and far more preferable to the lifetime of pain I've suffered and the way I feel every day. I prefer this method as it suits my needs. I can't get N so this is the next best thing for me.
 
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I understand that dying is complicated, hard and makes things much worse if it goes wrong but still. Why is everyone going for SN? It honestly does not seem like the best way to die to me.
At the very least I believe it should be accompanied with CO or N to make it easier or am I wrong in believing this?
because nembutal is overpriced and overrated, you have more chances a plane crashes onto your house than chances to find an actual seller that won't exit scam on you
CO is probably the complexity of the setup "oooh i gotta get that barbeque and make sure my bathroom is sealed tight" etc.
SN you just have to go to some polish seller and take the thing with painkillers if you're not squeamish and don't fear getting messed up, rest is optional
 
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Tommen Baratheon

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I decided to comment on each argument.
  • It's easy to acquire if you know where to look.
Don't know about elsewhere, but in my country (and others) you need to have your own business (and a business number) to buy it. Nowadays, SN is known as a mean to ctb, so that doesn't make it any easier. And if it's so easy to find: why do I see so many messages about people looking for SN?
  • It's relatively cheap compared to other methods (though it's gotten much more expensive over the past few years).
Less than 400 euro for a 20 l helium tank (20 l at 200 bar, so 4.000 l helium with a 99,9% purity). No business number needed, delivered at home with product papers and safety papers, so no discussion about it not being 99,9% purity. You don't have to test this; it's guaranteed.
  • It's very lethal and reliable if you follow protocol, and more importantly don't get found early or call for help (the majority of failures are caused by these two factors).
'Uitweg' (Dignified Dying) by Boudewijn Chabot states: 'Helium and nitrogen work extremely fast: loss of consciousness after half a minute.' If you're not out after 3 minutes you need to check your bag. They actually checked this with 7 persons using nitrogen and their heart stopped beating after about 6 to 16 minutes. Very effective, not much time to be found.
  • It's legal.
So is helium and nitrogen and - for me at least - it's much easier to buy nitrogen or helium.
  • It's easy to execute (just drink a liquid, similar to nembutal).
Does it come with a flavour? I've read it has a foul taste, no? Nitrogen nor helium has a smell and breathing it in is as easy as normal breathing.
  • It's logistically and technically easy to set up, unlike things like inert gas or CO (CO in particular can be finicky, while inert gas can be complicated for some).
What's difficult about the inert gas? There are videos (Betty) about it. I admit, if I would choose CO, then I'd buy a CO analyser to test it. There's seems to be discussion about what is the best moment to enter the room or tent.
  • You can do it from the comfort of your own bed, which some methods do not allow for.
Chabot says you can do helium/nitrogen in a bed, but advises to lay flat and use large cushions, so you don't roll out of bed.
  • It's relatively peaceful compared to other poisons and methods. If you hate nausea or vomiting, as well as tachycardia, the method may not be for you (unless you're willing to tough it out).
No nausea or vomiting with nitrogen/helium and no need of prescriptions for a shitload of meds (which aren't guaranteed to even work).
  • It works quickly (unconsciousness in 15-20 mins, 35-40 mins in the worst case scenario. and death within 40-60 mins, to a few hours in the worst case scenario).
Unconscious within 30 seconds to 1,5 minute, death after between 6 or 16 min.
  • There appears to be little to no permanent damage if you fail (even for individuals who had 90% or more methemoglobin concentration and died were brought back with little to no issues), though this could be a case of survivorship bias, it's also backed up by medical journal case studies.
I did a search for failed attempts with helium (keywords: failed helium suicide) and there seems to be some research about it. Here's a survivor:

www researchgate.net/publication/304401823_Survivor_by_asphyxiation_due_to_helium_inhalation

At the time of presentation to our emergency department, he was awake and reported severe dyspnea with a clinical pattern of acute respiratory failure. Imaging studies showed pulmonary edema and the patient was treated with non-invasive ventilation in intensive care unit. After 15 days patient was discharged from hospital in optimal conditions.

There's another survivor as well; doesn't mention any (brain) damage. I'm not saying a failed attempt means no damage, I'm only saying I can't find confirmation of that. Maybe you can?
 
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Almost everything you mentioned can be said about the inert gas method. Do you have a reliable source that confirms permanent damage after a failed attempt? I searched and couldn't find any (and there is research about helium and ctb).
That is true. As I said, I'd say inert gas is a gold standard method, but it can be difficult for some people due to the increased technical difficulty of setting it up, the logistical process of acquiring everything, and cost. Inert gas is even better than SN if it's an available option for you.

As for a reliable source, I do not have any. I'm primarily going off of all the failed attempts I've read here. Also some of the medical journal studies I've seen during my time researching. I did not save any sources regarding failed attempts, so if you wish to take what I've said with a grain of salt that is more than reasonable. But this isn't just me saying this. It's one of the more commonly cited "pros" for SN.
IMO finding helium or nitrogen is easier than finding SN. It's legal, easy to buy (unlike SN) and you don't need a ton of other meds to combine it with. The setup is not that hard. It's basically a plastic bag and a gas tank. It's also faster than SN.
Well, I suppose that'd be your experience. I did not invalidate anyone's experience, I just stated something that's generally the case. SN is easier, since you can do it all without leaving your home and it's much cheaper. And SN doesn't even need any meds, they're just useful for facilitating a successful and smoother attempt. The only thing that you could classify as a necessary med is the D2 antagonist antiemetic, since it speeds up gastric emptying thus allowing the SN to be absorbed quicker. But you do not need a "ton of other meds".

You're also forgetting the regulator, which is a common issue people encounter when setting up the method. You're also forgetting that there's somewhat of a process to set up the plastic bag. Some people prefer to go for a mask or rebreather instead, in which case it's also difficult to find the right one (it's also additional cost).

The setup may not be hard for you, but there are people who complain about its difficulty. So like I said to the other person, it's great that you have a method that you feel is better for you, but it's not a universal thing. If it were, we'd see so many more people CTB via inert gas.
As for it being expensive: I can find a helium tank (99,9% purity, 20 l, 200 bar, so 4.000 l helium) and regulator for less than 400 euro, delivered at home. You only die once, right?
That's great. I'm glad you found something that fits your needs. However, that's about $320-340 USD more expensive than SN ($280-300 with AE). For some people, that is out of the question. And mind you, that price may not be applicable for everyone. Some people also have the issue of hiding their set up from their household members, and SN is king in terms of being incognito (small packet or bottle that can be hidden anywhere). There's still the issue of setting it up, which some people do have issues with.

You only die once, yes. But for some people, their luxury method is SN. I am glad you've found yours though.
 
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Almost everything you mentioned can be said about the inert gas method. Do you have a reliable source that confirms permanent damage after a failed attempt? I searched and couldn't find any (and there is research about helium and ctb).

IMO finding helium or nitrogen is easier than finding SN. It's legal, easy to buy (unlike SN) and you don't need a ton of other meds to combine it with. The setup is not that hard. It's basically a plastic bag and a gas tank. It's also faster than SN.

As for it being expensive: I can find a helium tank (99,9% purity, 20 l, 200 bar, so 4.000 l helium) and regulator for less than 400 euro, delivered at home. You only die once, right?
Unfortunately, many members of the forum here do not have the €400 and the space where they would install a tank with inert gas, pipes and everything else.
 
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Unfortunately, many members of the forum here do not have the €400 and the space where they would install a tank with inert gas, pipes and everything else.
Not having the space, that I get. You can purchase a tent though. Not having € 400... So they're using free internet to access this forum? In a library perhaps? Because if they can buy a € 600 smartphone and an internet subscription... If you save € 40/month you'll have the money in 10 months. Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but I don't see 400 euro as a big issue.
 
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Not everyone, some people throw up just a bit
It doesn't seem peaceful to me. Even with antiemetics people seem to be puking their guts out. That's not how I want to spend my last minutes. With helium or nitrogen it's lights out in a matter of minutes.
 
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I tried SN two years ago approximately and didn't feel nauseous. It was very peaceful and I wouldn't try any other method tbh. I failed because I was found by my roommates. I will try again as soon as the time is right.
 
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Not having the space, that I get. You can purchase a tent though. Not having € 400... So they're using free internet to access this forum? In a library perhaps? Because if they can buy a € 600 smartphone and an internet subscription... If you save € 40/month you'll have the money in 10 months. Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but I don't see 400 euro as a big issue.
Unfortunately, among the members of the forum there are homeless people or people who do not live at home, but with relatives and friends. I assume that they use some publicly available internet, a telephone of maybe €50 and think every day what they will eat tomorrow. You have to understand that many people live hard and in poverty I don't understand how it is not clear to you. I am a businessman and I don't have these problems, but I can understand these people.
 
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I tried SN two years ago approximately and didn't feel nauseous. It was very peaceful and I wouldn't try any other method tbh. I failed because I was found by my roommates. I will try again as soon as the time is right.
Can you tell us how much SN you took? Thank you.
 

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