Why don't Americans simply shoot themselves?

[Epsilon0]

European: Why don't Americans simply shoot themselves?

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Southern American/Texan: Why don't you jest go @#!& yerself? *Spits chaw

New Yorker: You tawkin' to me???

Californian: That was harsh, dude.

Trump: Let's all do it. Let's make America great again! My wife is Eastern European. Great people. I'll let her go first.

This is too much!

 

[itsamadworld]

Okay. I am just really pissed at the world right now, and anything you say or do in itsamadworld's court of law may result in many insults directed at person of my wrath, name calling, misinterpretations, and you or I might get banned! Thread carefully...Nah..JK:D..Thread how you want!!!....I had no sleep! I want to kill myself! I want to See the world burn! I hate humanity and that includes everyone, And.......drum roll.......I got nothing to loose! ....Well,.... that's not entirely true....but I needed something big after the drum roll.... goodnight....

 

[BridgeJumper]

Same as why people drink SN instead of jumping in front of a train, or hang themselves instead of jumping off a building.
Not everyone accepts that its violent and will leave a mess. Ive seen a guy who blasted half his head off and lived, he ended up with no nose and a hole cut into the skin where his mouth was. He could only drink liquids because nothing else would fit in the hole...A lot worse than my popped back and fear of cold water.
Then there are always people who just fixate on one method that they always wanted to try.
I was asked, why not order SN when I could have it totally legal and from only a few miles away. I told the person I will jump because I want to suffer when I die (Im fucked up I know).
Everybody has reasons.

 

[Ashleyrodriguez]

Hi I am American and what you are saying is easier said than done. I am a female and I would need to go purchase a gun which the store can either approve or deny my purchase for any little reason. Second even if I had a gun I would be to scared to do that, I don't even know how to use a gun. It is true what they say, females go for more lighter suicides like poisoning.

 

[itsamadworld]

Hi I am American and what you are saying is easier said than done. I am a female and I would need to go purchase a gun which the store can either approve or deny my purchase for any little reason. Second even if I had a gun I would be to scared to do that, I don't even know how to use a gun. It is true what they say, females go for more lighter suicides like poisoning.

True..it's also difficult for everyone, every where to override the SI.

Okay. I am just really pissed at the world right now, and anything you say or do in itsamadworld's court of law may result in many insults directed at person of my wrath, name calling, misinterpretations, and you or I might get banned! Thread carefully...Nah..JK:D..Thread how you want!!!....I had no sleep! I want to kill myself! I want to See the world burn! I hate humanity and that includes everyone, And.......drum roll.......I got nothing to loose! ....Well,.... that's not entirely true....but I needed something big after the drum roll.... goodnight....

I don't even know wtf I'm saying anymore... I'm just sick of life! .... That's the whole reason I'm here....

 

[Otter]

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Getting a permit is not a big deal in my experience. Fill out the application, wait three days. Denied for felons, and those who have had an involuntary or in some cases extended psych hospitalization, but hospitalization does not mean permanent denial, just for a number of years. Some firearms can be bought at gun shows without a permit.

However, guns grow on trees in America, so no biggie. Ammo grows from the ground like peanuts.

Lol on that last bit!

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Because it is a pretty horrific and brutal way to die? It leaves a bloody scene and most importantly, the consequences of failing are horrible, compared to surviving most OD methods.

 

[PrettyMoose]

Why don't all suicidal celebrities and wealthy people drink N? Who knows. We all have different criteria for our deaths, it's about as personal as one can get.

 

[BitterlyAlive]

Honestly, it sounds like a really reliable method. But I've never shot a gun before, I don't really know anything about guns, and I've never even really seen one until my dad bought some a couple of years ago - I guess I'm painfully sheltered in that regard. Even if I practice, I don't trust myself to accurately shoot my medulla oblongata. Also, I don't feel comfortable getting the proper gun/caliber. I'm a pretty meek person.

Despite this, I've definitely held a couple of .22 handguns to my head to see how I feel about it. I felt really calm and almost proud. Maybe even a bit brave? Bold?

And then there's the fact that shooting oneself leaves a brutal and traumatic scene for whomever discovers my body. I don't want to hurt anyone like that, they don't deserve it.

I want a more peaceful passing, nothing more. I was obsessed with hanging/gun shot. My uncle killed himself with a shot gun in the very house I am typing from. It was brutal.

God, that sounds horrible. I'm so sorry.

Hi I am American and what you are saying is easier said than done. I am a female and I would need to go purchase a gun which the store can either approve or deny my purchase for any little reason. Second even if I had a gun I would be to scared to do that, I don't even know how to use a gun. It is true what they say, females go for more lighter suicides like poisoning.

Ohh same. I feel like being a timid, withdrawn female would definitely set off red flags.

 

[ohhgeeitsme]

There are many valid reasons an American does not choose death by firearms and I can PROMISE you that doesn't mean they all don't really want to. My reason is that first of all, guns are expensive. When I was living alone it would have been an easier option except for the fact that I couldn't afford one. I always planned on partially hanging myself during this time instead. I tried four times and couldn't get it right and would back out after about a minute because I was afraid I was going to do severe damage without death. After my failed attempts, I immediately had to move in with my father because I was being evicted and just lost my job and this has made the gun option even more difficult. Even though I now have a new job and live rent free so I can afford one, I still can't buy one here. I don't have a car and my only transportation is my father and brother. My father knows I was suicidal, so he would never drive me anywhere to purchase one or take me somewhere for lessons. Not knowing anyone here, my father would very suspicious of me taking an Uber somewhere since my brother is always home and can take me wherever I need to go. This would lead to more monitoring, possibly being found out. Not familiar with guns, I would only be comfortable doing this method after a few practice lessons. Also, my mom died a little over a year ago on Christmas and my dad's brother died a few months prior to that so the last thing I want is for him to find me in such a gruesome manner when there is already so much loss. If I'm going to be another one, the least I can do is minimize the trauma. And yeah, the idea of a failed gun attempt scares the shit of me.

 

[Daktalsnakal]

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lol this post brought me to the sad realization that we dont have a laugh reaction

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I lol this post brought me to the sad realization that we dont have a laugh reaction

In the past there were members who used the laugh react for sarcasm and meanness, so it was removed. I can see the benefit of having done so, but I still wish we had it, as well as an eye-roll react.

 

[Daktalsnakal]

In the past there were members who used the laugh react for sarcasm and meanness, so it was removed. I can see the benefit of having done so, but I still wish we had it, as well as an eye-roll react.

Yeah I assumed that's why we didn't have one lmao I guess it's for the better we dont want people to feel even more hurt then they probably already do.

 

[Genetics]

That's why you stock up beforehand. We've got plenty of ammo and you only need 1 bullet.

Maybe I can sell single bullets on Craigslist but probably just in the USA.

 

[WeekofWonder]

For the same reason why Russians do not OD on alcohol.

Not only is it pretty much as easy to get vodka in the US than in Russia, but you just can't compare drinking 2 whole bottles of vodka and dying chocking in a pool of your own vomit, and sitting on a couch to pull a trigger.

Also, people saying it's "not that easy" to get a gun in the US are Americans that don't know how HARD it is to get one outside the US or South Sudan...

 

[TAW122]

I live in the US, so I'll answer this question as an US citizen. Yes, while it is true that US citizens have a right to bear arms via the US Constitution/Bill of Rights (assuming you qualify and aren't a prohibited person - e.g. Felon, DV convict, mentally adjudicated defective, all other disqualifying factors, etc.), each state is different. Some states such as NY, CA, WA, IL, OR, CT, MA to name a few, are really stringent on firearm ownership and may have stricter guidelines especially CA and NY. So just legal ownership and acquisition alone would be a high barrier of entry to access them.

Then after acquisition and ownership, there are other factors too. Some people would prefer a more peaceful way to CTB, like inert gases, N, or other substance. Personal preferences as well such as open casket (funeral), sentimental value, and more. Finally, don't forget that even with a reliable method, the damned SI still gets in the way.

These are just some common and major reasons why not all US citizens even those who can legally and easily acquire firearms don't use said method. Personally, I'm going with the firearm method myself and it's because of it's reliability and accessibility for me compared to other methods.

 

[Aliali1992]

They actually do more than any other way...especially middle-aged men.

 

[rachmann]

Permit is required to get guns. A lot of people here are going through depression. People with depression can't get the permit.

 

[oopswronglife]

Even in places its easy...its a scary method. It sounds nice...quick and reliable...but it's another level of SI compared to many things. I don't know why. Some states you can buy easily with minimal checks or person to person with no checks. Some states have strict requirements and it can take a couple weeks. Regardless it's not as perfect as it sounds. The fear of surviving with massive brain damage or as a vegetable is terrifying.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Permit is required to get guns. A lot of people here are going through depression. People with depression can't get the permit.

Not true. You may want to read through the comments in this thread that talk about judges, adjudication, etc.

 

[Jumper Geo]

Why don't all suicidal celebrities and wealthy people drink N? Who knows. We all have different criteria for our deaths, it's about as personal as one can get.

You know that's a really good question, look at Robin Williams he was desperate to ctb as they found cut marks on his wrists, you would have thought with his money and celebrity connections he could easy acquire N or a shotgun, it does seem hanging is still the most popular method for ctb.

 

[Partial-Elf]

As an American who owns a shotgun and prefers hanging as my method of CTB, I really like this question. For me, hanging is much more soft, comfortable, and intimate. I've practiced numerous times and know how painless it is if done right, and I look forward to fully embracing the feeling of drifting away that I've had to pull away from during my tests. That's much less frightening and violent to me than blowing myself to pieces with a shotgun, especially as someone who's fired one before and seen what they can do. Also, the consequences of failure are horrifying for both methods, but at least with hanging you wouldn't have to go through any kind of facial reconstructive surgery. That's particularly terrifying to me for some reason that is beyond the scope of this post.

I also feel like hanging is the more "female" of the two options, and though I'm cis, I've always been a less masculine and more sensitive man who's gravitated towards women. By contrast, guns are so stereotypically masculine and American in ways I detest. The more feminine hanging feels like a better fit for who I am as a person and how I think of the release I will find in death.

Not true. You may want to read through the comments in this thread that talk about judges, adjudication, etc.

What @GoodPersonEffed said... I had been diagnosed with depression by a doctor and experienced no barriers to purchasing a shotgun. Granted I live in a fairly pro gun part of the country.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Why don't all suicidal celebrities and wealthy people drink N? Who knows. We all have different criteria for our deaths, it's about as personal as one can get.

Lack of education as a result of it being a taboo subject. But nowadays, with the internet, it's really willful ignorance.

If I was a chemistry teacher, I would let the students to group presentations on different suicide methods and their modes of action in the body/ pharmacology; I bet you that would prevent more harm than it would create.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

That's much less frightening and violent to me than blowing myself to pieces with a shotgun, especially as someone who's fired one before and seen what they can do. Also, the consequences of failure are horrifying for both methods, but at least with hanging you wouldn't have to go through any kind of facial reconstructive surgeries.

I so agree with this. What it looks like is awful. And if there's an unexpected noise and one jumps before everything is perfectly set up and ready, bad stuff can happen. Not everyone agrees with me, and it's their ctb, but I think it's important to get some training and practice in before attempting if one has never handled firearms, especially the big ones. Dry firing just isn't the same.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I so agree with this. What it looks like is awful. And if there's an unexpected noise and one jumps before everything is perfectly set up and ready, bad stuff can happen. Not everyone agrees with me, and it's their ctb, but I think it's important to get some training and practice in before attempting if one has never handled firearms, especially the big ones. Dry firing just isn't the same.

Hanging is really the most reliable and safe method. You can practice all the steps beforehand and if you execute them correctly, there is a hundred percent certainty you will die. I am talking about full suspension, non drop hanging.
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I just cannot imagine myself doing it. It's still brutal and repulsive to me, as opposed to an OD or gas method.

 

[Partial-Elf]

Hanging is really the most reliable and safe method. You can practice all the steps beforehand and if you execute them correctly, there is a hundred percent certainty you will die. I am talking about full suspension, non drop hanging.
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I just cannot imagine myself doing it. It's still brutal and repulsive to me, as opposed to an OD or gas method.

So wild how we have such different perceptions of hanging, I think of it as a comfortable fuzzy blanket that I can depend on. That being said, I absolutely have a healthy respect for it–when standing up after practicing, I've felt true fear knowing how close I was to the edge. Not on an intellectual level-I don't fear non existence. On an animalistic and instinctual level, adrenaline firing and all that. The realness sets in.

I'm intrigued by gas and have been researching it recently. Seems to be one of the best if you can buckle down and learn the ins and outs. I'm actually getting much of the equipment required for that method tomorrow, but for my beer brewing hobby rather than for CTB. I've purchased SN, but other overdoses (aside from N) seem too unreliable to me.

 

[Pan]

Hanging is really the most reliable and safe method. You can practice all the steps beforehand and if you execute them correctly, there is a hundred percent certainty you will die. I am talking about full suspension, non drop hanging.
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I just cannot imagine myself doing it. It's still brutal and repulsive to me, as opposed to an OD or gas method.

I agree completely...for a time , i vacillated between hanging and the charcoal method; now, am definatey down again with hanging. Full suspension is the way to go.

 

[dysfunctional]

I'm diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, not sure if I can even purchase a gun.
I did try during my first attempt however, but the gun jammed when I had it pressed up against my head and pulled the trigger for some reason. I then pointed it in front of me towards the woods and it went off and the bullet went somewhere in the woods. This scared the hell out of my. I had already sent out my suicide notes so I knew there was no going back and figured someone probably heard the bullet so I downed a bottle of pills in my car (they were a backup plan). I woke up in the ICU, was found by a truck driver apparently and according to the reports if I was found an hour later would've probably been dead.
Guns scare the hell out of me, I think I have PTSD from this (my only) experience with them. The gun didn't even belong to me, it belonged to my dad and it took me weeks of going to places thinking I'd pull the trigger until I finally built up the courage to do so. Somehow he never realized that the gun was missing in those weeks, I was scared that he would the whole time. If don't right it's a quick death, but the buildup to going through with it is incredibly frightening. I also don't want some innocent bystander to stumble upon my body with my head blown off and be traumatized with that image.

I realize the whole gun not going off on me then going off when I pointed it away from me will probably be hard for any of you to believe-like something out of a movie, but unfortunately it is real.

Oh yeah and when I was saved some asshole police officer tried charging me with a hidden firearm. I put it on the floor of my passenger seat when I grabbed the bottle of pills.

Edit: Couldn't think of the phrasing for it, but I guess "concealed weapon" was the charge.

That's intense you actually where able to pull the trigger! My friend has the same story and he feels god intervened. Obviously it wasn't your time.
It's just really difficult for alot of people to kill themselves. I wanted to die more than anything, and slept with a loaded gun in my room. I just could never go through with it. Europe has alot of cliffs right? Seems easy enough if you really wanted it. That's my current best option as my guns where taken away and I've been red flagged as an extreme threat to myself.

 

[Csmith8827]

So I noticed that maybe most members of this forum are Americans. And I was wondering - why don't you just plan suicide by shooting yourselves? There are all these elaborate techniques with SN and whatnot, while you can literally just buy guy everywhere and do it super quick, secure and relatively painless. If I were an American I'd choose that in a heartbeat - unfortunately, being from Eur Union putting hands on a gun is really an impossibility and I have to keep exploring other options. But boy would that be wonderful!

It also gets me thinking - if you're American and claim to want to committ suicide but to do that ponder these complicated failure high-risk options while you have the ideal one just there - maybe you don't really want to die?

and maybe, just maybe...your a pathetic being and should shut the fuck up.

 

[Vault of Memories]

That's intense you actually where able to pull the trigger! My friend has the same story and he feels god intervened. Obviously it wasn't your time.
It's just really difficult for alot of people to kill themselves. I wanted to die more than anything, and slept with a loaded gun in my room. I just could never go through with it. Europe has alot of cliffs right? Seems easy enough if you really wanted it. That's my current best option as my guns where taken away and I've been red flagged as an extreme threat to myself.

I believe that's what my parents think happened, personally I'm not religious myself.