Method What's in your suicide kit? I study pharmacology

[Proper Overdoser]

Propofol is enough as a single agent. But still I can mix others with propofol. Propofol + bupivacine, propofol + lidocaine or propofol + digoxin. Other drugs are just in the bag. I will not use them. I have an injection system that I can inject 1800 mg propofol to myself. This is enough alone. Rocuronium is best agent to add propofol but i couldn't find it.

Yeah I guess you are right, it's just none of the drugs you mention besides the propofol cause respiratory depression so they won't really help the propofol do it's job, they'll just fuck you up in other non contributing ways.

 

[dimstar]

I found out I have a condition that has no cure and that is the reason for me to join here. My life has been hell since last year when all this started. There is no treatment for it. If I could fly to Switzerland I would, but I can't aford it. I am here in the us and I need help. Please.

I'm sorry about your condition and that life has been unbearable, sometimes life gives us more than we can handle. Unfortunately society has made suicide a black sheep and taking actions on it or even talking about it very hard. People here will respect your choices so please respect theirs. If it's only been a year have you tried seeking help dealing with your issues? Not cures but treatments or therapies? It might be something you could work through. I'd also recommend checking out the suicide resorce compilation as well as other information here. There is no easy answer but theres alot of good info here to help you make what might be a final decision. If that's what you decide.

 

[NoLightRemains]

Fent/N sounded like the best way to go for me, but I ended up buying SN because it was easily available. I plan on a small dose of bromazolam (~1mg) about 20-30 minutes before, then at least 50mg bromazolam with the SN mixture. In my experience testing even small doses it made me want to sleep within 30 minutes.

I might look into the RC opioids because I have given up on darknet for now. RC benzo wasn't that difficult to aquire.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

Fent/N sounded like the best way to go for me, but I ended up buying SN because it was easily available. I plan on a small dose of bromazolam (~1mg) about 20-30 minutes before, then at least 50mg bromazolam with the SN mixture. In my experience testing even small doses it made me want to sleep within 30 minutes.

I might look into the RC opioids because I have given up on darknet for now. RC benzo wasn't that difficult to aquire.

Yes that sounds like an acceptable way to do the SN method. Although that's odd that 1mg would do that, 1mg should only make you kinda want to sleep but definitely not nod off, that's like a standard benzo dose given for anxiety, personally with no tolly I would take 2-3mg and then proceed as you say because at least for me, I always needed 2-3mg to even feel a little drowsy but then again it was easy to stay awake. But definitely take a megadose of Bromaz with the SN, as a good sedative at a good dose is 10 million times better than the stupid Ibuprofen described in other SN guides which won't do anything at all.

 

[6MillionWaystoDie]

Bro I would but you made your account yesterday. I can't just help out someone so new with a sedated death, that leaves no room for contemplating if you really want suicide as you know you will go out in your sleep rather than have to consider other options yourself if you are truly committed. Sorry

Also there are others, members of media, and crusaders who just come in to acquire information on sources to shut them down.

Thanks for being cautious to prevent this from happening.



Sorry that your past attempt didn't work out. Are you considering trying again in the near future?

 

[Sunset Limited]

Yeah I guess you are right, it's just none of the drugs you mention besides the propofol cause respiratory depression so they won't really help the propofol do it's job, they'll just fuck you up in other non contributing ways.

Actually bupivacaine, lidocaine and digoxin are powerful negative inotropics. The combination of propofol + lidocaine is used in animal euthanasia. Its trade name is "anestofol". Propofol turns off consciousness and lidocaine stops the heart. Lidocaine does not cause convulsions, as propofol is a potent anticonvulsant. Propofol + (lidocaine or bupivacaine or digoxin) are ideal euthanasia combinations. Still, propofol alone is enough for me, but if I find rocuronium, I'll use it.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

Actually bupivacaine, lidocaine and digoxin are powerful negative inotropics. The combination of propofol + lidocaine is used in animal euthanasia. Its trade name is "anestofol". Propofol turns off consciousness and lidocaine stops the heart. Lidocaine does not cause convulsions, as propofol is a potent anticonvulsant. Propofol + (lidocaine or bupivacaine or digoxin) are ideal euthanasia combinations. Still, propofol alone is enough for me, but if I find rocuronium, I'll use it.

Interesting, I stand corrected. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Letgo]

I'm sorry about your condition and that life has been unbearable, sometimes life gives us more than we can handle. Unfortunately society has made suicide a black sheep and taking actions on it or even talking about it very hard. People here will respect your choices so please respect theirs. If it's only been a year have you tried seeking help dealing with your issues? Not cures but treatments or therapies? It might be something you could work through. I'd also recommend checking out the suicide resorce compilation as well as other information here. There is no easy answer but theres alot of good info here to help you make what might be a final decision. If that's what you decide.

I have looked into the resources. That's where I learned about SN.
Other options for me could be jumping from a building, but I am scared of that. I have read that hanging is painful and sometimes it doesn't work. I am so tired and depressed.
I am just trying to make this as painless and fast as possible.
I have gone to therapy. Have seen 3 specialists, one gp and they were not able to do anything.
Tried to get a gun. No success.
I am scared to jump off a bridge.
I am just so miserable. It is like being tortured. I have no future and life just vanished from my hands. It is just a really sas story.

 

[ksp]

Research Chemical Drugs (RC)

you provided a lot of info(!) but i'm trying to summarize it in a form that is easier for me (i'd rather prefer a table with: name, dosage, type of drug, notes, etc)

i compiled a list all the drugs you mentioned (up to post #67) on this thread, to achieve unconsciousness (as opposed to death), to avoid legal trouble

but i'm not sure if i made mistakes in my 'summary', or maybe i missed a few things…

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strong GABAergic (Pentobarbital / Nembutal) and an opioid (Fentanyl) for death while asleep
research chemicals are sold with a label "not for human consumption", and found legally, online
opioids and benzodiazepines can replicate the MOA of Pentobarb and Fentanyl

drugs to help induce coma / anesthesia / terminal sedation / unconsciousness:

Fentanyl - 2mg - unconsciousness -> coma -> lethal

Methylmethaqualone (MMQ) - 3mg lethal

• dose of 100-500 (?) for a normal high (seizure possible with OD); 150mg
• Ambien, Xanax, Pentobarbital
• Methylmethaqualone is a Quaalude analogue
• Methylmethaqualone; take it orally 10 mins (even 30 minutes after the Proto is snorted.)

Protonitazene 2mg lethal ; 50mg - for sedated death (opioid stronger than fentanyl)
Flubromazepam, which is more akin to Pentobarbital (without seizure)



-benzos: sedative, GABAergic benzos

benzos i go-to:
Xanax, Valium, Ambien, Zopiclone, Tapentadol (and anything that ends in -zepam or -zolam)
Tapentadol, Tianeptine, Pregabalin ($150 from these Chinese sources)
Mirtazapine (this is arguably more sedating than benzos, and has very, very strong antiemetic effects)


-zene based RC opioids:

Protonitazene
Metonitazene
Flubromazepam
Gidazepam
Deschloroetizolam
isotonitazene (legal RC opioid)(several times stronger than Fentanyl)(snorted)
Protonitazene is stronger than Fentanyl (30-60mg for sedated death)
Protonitazepyne - 30mg for sedated death; sold by the gram, for like $20 per gram
protonitazene is deadlier than MMQ
Hydromorphone (30mg), and of Klonopin (100mg):add Alcohol and Benadryl
Diphenhydramine/Benadryl or another antiemetic (Gonnerr said)
- Thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate, and
- Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is selective A2 agonist (orally)
-zenes: No need to IV, snort a line of fent with no opi tolerance (30-60mg)
Somas/Carisoprodol (strong sedatives)
Phenprobamate - RC's that touch the barbiturate receptor
(from india, and since it affects the same site as barbiturates, a high dose is arguably more lethal than opioids, since it doesn't cause nausea, just eternal sleep)
Diazepam (weaker sedative ?)(bloop714 said)
Carisoprodol (Barbiturates)
Nitromethaqualone (NMQ). Nitromethaqualone is deadlier than Methylmethaqualone
Diphenhydramine 100mg - sedative
Carisoprodol aka Soma, a muscle relaxer online from India
Bromaz megadose for SN (not sure what this is)

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Propofol turns off consciousness and lidocaine stops the heart (Sunset Limited said)

500mg Oxy with no tolerance, specially when mixed with alcohol or benzos - will work
oxy pills have too much filler usually to snort, and oral dosing isn't too guaranteed in death because you can vomit
-zenes (Etazene, Protonitazine, Protonitazepyne, Metonitazene) stronger than Fentanyl
- Methylmethaqualone is the best, but -zenes are also a peaceful sleepy death, specially if you drink a little or take RC Benzo or Methaqualone analogue. Zenes and Methaqualone - painless
- Hydromorphone retard definitely works, but retard means extended release, so crush them up before trying anything so they are immediate release and thus double the potency, also you will need several pills, mixed with an also high dose of a benzodiazepine or other GABAergic. Go google "Hydromorphone Psychonautwiki"

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-other notes (from all posts)

further research: r/researchchemicals (on reddit)
other legal opioid reseach chems - chinese much cheaper than us;
found on clearnet (no need for darknet); other sources: indian pharmacies
benzodiazepine powders can lead to addiction
chinese are more professional, reliable and cheaper, just slower: 2-3 week shipping
ordering from the suppliers in China you should keep the amounts low
30-60mg of any -zene opioid are probably 99%
throw in a GABAergic like alcohol, xanax, ambien, zopiclone or any benzos to make it 100%
I would recommend some benadryl for the nausea if you have an opioid tolerance, as that means it will take a bit longer to OD and could get nauseous. But luckily if it is snorted no amount of vomiting will prevent death and falling asleep within 2 minutes.
alcohol. I would use the highest amount you can handle without getting nauseous, and snort the opioid so that if it causes nausea you'll fall asleep before you can feel any nausea
Unless you are a heroin/fenty user, then maybe you'll need 2 normal sized lines for tolerance
Snorting would mean that it kicks in within a minute or two and you'll fall asleep before notice any nausea
Benzos cannot be snorted though so take that, then snort opioid as soon as you feel a tired from benzo.
do it in isolation, if you can't find isolation for 30 min then mix with a GABAergic sedative and Benadryl
Ketamine is even more effective for pain (Opioids)

my notes:
we are forced by society to determine the best peaceful methods (vs more violent methods)
sources are not allowed on this site (but just have to know the vendors)
a lot of suicidal people here don't have energy (or too depressed) to spend hours on research

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…Also you don't need to crush retard pills into a powder for them to be instant release/double potency. Simply cutting them in half with a pill cutter will work just fine

The diphenhydramine will definitely work. Make sure to take about 100mg of it if you intend to use a high dose of HM (not sure what HM is). You should also dose your GABAergic drug at least 30 minutes before the opioid as well, so that you are already sedated and nodding off by the time the HM kicks in.

High doses of a GABAergic and diphenhydramine can kick in faster though, so take them only 15 minutes before if you start to get tired by the 15 minute mark. Although in general these drugs take 30-60 mins for notable effects. And again, antihistamine with the opioid isn't guaranteeing it, unless you take a big dose of both.

is my summary / list wrong?
thanks!

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ultimately i'd like to update my table of peaceful methods, with a new entry above fentanyl, for -zenes:

Method	Peacefulness	Reliability	Availability
Nembutal	100 %	100 %	not available
Carfentanil	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
-zenes (ex. Protonitazene)	100 %	100 %	legal
Fentanyl	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Heroin (?)	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Nitrogen	100 %	100 %	legal
Carbon Monoxide	100 %	100 %	legal
GHB	100 %	need info	darknet
Barbital-100 (Phenobarbital)	100%	need info	darknet
SS Resource Compilation	-	-

my initial thread is here:

Peaceful Suicide Methods

@deathissosad - you can PM me anytime, but i don’t have enough details about any medication, nor any sources; all information about methods are from this forum; sometimes i get info from bluelight.org, but not often @outrider567 - thanks. to me, nitrogen (inert gases) is the next best thing...

sanctioned-suicide.net

(i don't have a lot of info on GHB)

ps. @Shadowlord900

 

[Sunset Limited]

Research Chemical Drugs (RC)

i don't have a lot of knowledge, and you provided a lot of info(!) but i'm trying to summarize it in o form that is easier for me (i would rather prefer a table with: name, dosage, type of drug, notes, etc)

i compiled a list all the drugs you mentioned (up to post #67) on this thread, to achieve unconsciousness (as opposed to death), to avoid legal trouble

but i'm not sure if i made mistakes in my 'summary', or may have missed a few things…

---

strong GABAergic (Pentobarbital / Nembutal) and an opioid (Fentanyl) for death while asleep
research chemicals are sold with a label "not for human consumption", and found legally, online
(they are not sold for human consumption)
opioids and benzodiazepines can replicate the MOA of Pentobarb and Fentanyl

drugs to help induce coma / anesthesia / terminal sedation / unconsciousness:

Fentanyl - 2mg lethal - unconsciousness/coma

Methylmethaqualone (MMQ) - 3mg lethal

• dose of 100-500 for a normal high (seizure possible with OD) - Quaalude analogue; 150mg
• Ambien, Xanax, Pentobarbital
• Methylmethaqualone is a Quaalude analogue
• Methylmethaqualone and take it orally 10 mins (even 30 minutes after the Proto is snorted.)

Protonitazene 2mg lethal ; 50mg - for sedated death

• opioid stronger than fentanyl

Flubromazepam, which is more akin to Pentobarbital (without seizure)



-benzos:

sedative, GABAergic benzos
benzos go-to ($150 from these Chinese sources)
Xanax, Valium, Ambien, Zopiclone, Tapentadol (and anything that ends in -zepam or -zolam)
Tapentadol, Tianeptine, Pregabalin and Zopiclone
Mirtazapine (this is arguably more sedating than benzos, and has very, very strong antiemetic effects)


-zene based RC opioids:

Protonitazene
Metonitazene
Flubromazepam
Gidazepam
Deschloroetizolam
isotonitazene (legal RC opioid)(several times stronger than Fentanyl)(snorted)
Protonitazene is stronger than Fentanyl (30-60mg for sedated death)
Protonitazepyne - 30mg for sedated death; sold by the gram, for like $20 per gram
protonitazene is deadlier than MMQ
Hydromorphone (30mg), and of Klonopin (100mg):add Alcohol and Benadryl
have Diphenhydramine/Benadryl or another antiemetic
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...kit-i-study-pharmacology.113882/#post-1933909

-zenes: No need to IV, snort a line of fent with no opi tolerance (30-60mg)

Somas/Carisoprodol (strong sedatives)
Phenprobamate - RC's that touch the barbiturate receptor
(from india, and since it affects the same site as barbiturates, a high dose is arguably more lethal than opioids, since it doesn't cause nausea, just eternal sleep)
Diazepam (weaker sedative ?)
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/whats-in-your-suicide-kit-i-study-pharmacology.113882/page-2#post-1934975 (bloop714 said)

Carisoprodol (Barbiturates)
Nitromethaqualone (NMQ). Nitromethaqualone is deadlier than Methylmethaqualone
Diphenhydramine 100mg - sedative
Carisoprodol aka Soma, a muscle relaxer online from India
Bromaz megadose for SN (not sure what this is)

Propofol turns off consciousness and lidocaine stops the heart (Sunset Limited said)
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...study-pharmacology.113882/page-3#post-1936176

500mg Oxy with no tolerance, specially when mixed with alcohol or benzos - will work
oxy pills have too much filler usually to snort, and oral dosing isn't too guaranteed in death because you can vomit

-zenes (Etazene, Protonitazine, Protonitazepyne, Metonitazene) stronger than Fentanyl

-Methylmethaqualone is the best, but -zenes are also a peaceful sleepy death, specially if you drink a little or take RC Benzo or Methaqualone analogue. Zenes and Methaqualone - painless

Hydromorphone retard definitely works, but retard means extended release, so crush them up before trying anything so they are immediate release and thus double the potency, also you will need several pills, mixed with an also high dose of a benzodiazepine or other GABAergic. Go google "Hydromorphone Psychonautwiki"

—-

-other notes (from all posts)

further research: r/researchchemicals (on reddit)
other legal opioid reseach chems - chinese much cheaper than us;
found on clearnet (no need for darknet); other sources: indian pharmacies
benzodiazepine powders can lead to addiction
chinese are more professional, reliable and cheaper, just slower: 2-3 week shipping
ordering from the suppliers in China you should keep the amounts low
30-60mg of any -zene opioid are probably 99%
throw in a GABAergic like alcohol, xanax, ambien, zopiclone or any benzos to make it 100%
I would recommend some benadryl for the nausea if you have an opioid tolerance, as that means it will take a bit longer to OD and could get nauseous. But luckily if it is snorted no amount of vomiting will prevent death and falling asleep within 2 minutes.
alcohol. I would use the highest amount you can handle without getting nauseous, and snort the opioid so that if it causes nausea you'll fall asleep before you can feel any nausea
Unless you are a heroin/fenty user, then maybe you'll need 2 normal sized lines for tolerance
Snorting would mean that it kicks in within a minute or two and you'll definitely fall asleep before you can notice any nausea
Benzos cannot be snorted though so take that, then snort the opioid as soon as you feel a little tired from the benzo.
do it in isolation, and if you can't find isolation for 30 minutes then mix it with a GABAergic sedative and also some Benadryl
Ketamine is even more effective for pain (Opioids)

my notes:
we are forced by society to determine the best peaceful methods (vs more violent methods)
sources are not allowed on this site (but just have to know the vendors)
a lot of suicidal people here don't have energy (or too depressed) to spend hours on research

—-

…Also you don't need to crush retard pills into a powder for them to be instant release/double potency. Simply cutting them in half with a pill cutter will work just fine

The diphenhydramine will definitely work. Make sure to take about 100mg of it if you intend to use a high dose of HM (not sure what HM is). You should also dose your GABAergic drug at least 30 minutes before the opioid as well, so that you are already sedated and nodding off by the time the HM kicks in.

High doses of a GABAergic and diphenhydramine can kick in faster though, so take them only 15 minutes before if you start to get tired by the 15 minute mark. Although in general these drugs take 30-60 mins for notable effects. And again, antihistamine with the opioid isn't guaranteeing it, unless you take a big dose of both.

is my summary / list wrong?
thanks!

---

ultimately i'd like to update my table of peaceful methods, with a new entry above fentanyl, for -zenes:

Method	Peacefulness	Reliability	Availability
Nembutal	100 %	100 %	not available
Carfentanil	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Fentanyl	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Heroin	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Nitrogen	100 %	100 %	legal
Carbon Monoxide	100 %	100 %	legal
GHB	100 %	need info	darknet
Propofol	100%	need info	need info
Barbital-100 (phenobarbital)	100%	need info	darknet
Sodium Nitrite	need info	need info	legal (in some countries)
Nigh-Night	need info	need info	100 %
Tourniquet	need info	need info	100 %
Choking Game	need info	need info	100 %
Hanging	need info	need info	100 %
Bleeding	need info	need info	100 %
Shallow-water blackout	need info	need info	100 %
SS Resource Compilation	-	-

my initial thread is here:

Peaceful Suicide Methods

@deathissosad - you can PM me anytime, but i don’t have enough details about any medication, nor any sources; all information about methods are from this forum; sometimes i get info from bluelight.org, but not often @outrider567 - thanks. to me, nitrogen (inert gases) is the next best thing...

sanctioned-suicide.net

(i don't have a lot of info on GHB)

Nice study. Propofol is 100% peaceful and reliable but if someone is not health professional, it is not realistic way to CTB. IV route is really hard. 1000 mg lethal dose so it is required an infusion pump or drip infusion setup. You can add thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate. It was used for induction of anesthesia before propofol. It is more reliable than propofol because of its longer half-life and sold in powder form in vials. So possible to push fatal dose of 10 cc thiopental.

Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is very selective A2 agonist. It can work orally. Oral dose for deep sedation is 10 mg. In high doses, it may cause cardiovascular collapse, followed by profound hypotension and bradycardia. It works with very small doses. The loading dose for inducible sedation is only 1mcg/kg IV. If someone drinks 10 grams of dexmedetomidine, they will most likely die in a deep coma. Just like N. Again, all this information is hypothetical because there are no case reports.

 

[ksp]

Propofol is 100% peaceful and reliable but if someone is not health professional, it is not realistic way to CTB. IV route is really hard. 1000 mg lethal dose so it is required an infusion pump or drip infusion setup.

than you sunset !! ok, so i'll remove Propofol from my table

and i want to add:

- Thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate, and
- Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is very selective A2 agonist (orally)

but i don't know where to place them: are they both very reliable? i'm assuming they are both are peaceful, but are they available (easy to find them on clearnet?)

 

[Sunset Limited]

than you sunset !! ok, so i'll remove Propofol from my table

and i want to add:

- Thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate, and
- Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is very selective A2 agonist (orally)

but i don't know where to place them: are they both very reliable? i'm assuming they are both are peaceful, but are the available (easy to find them on clearnet?)

Dexmedetomidine is avaliable in some chinese trade sites. It is not controlled substance but really dangerous, as I said it works with really small doses like fentanyl. Thiopental and propofol 100% peaceful and reliable but what I said about dexmedetomidine is hypothetical. Deep sedation is guaranteed but I don't know if it is lethal. Most likely yes but still not guaranteed.

 

[Time&Regret]

Where do you get SN?

 

[Proper Overdoser]

Research Chemical Drugs (RC)

i don't have a lot of knowledge, and you provided a lot of info(!) but i'm trying to summarize it in o form that is easier for me (i would rather prefer a table with: name, dosage, type of drug, notes, etc)

i compiled a list all the drugs you mentioned (up to post #67) on this thread, to achieve unconsciousness (as opposed to death), to avoid legal trouble

but i'm not sure if i made mistakes in my 'summary', or may have missed a few things…

---

strong GABAergic (Pentobarbital / Nembutal) and an opioid (Fentanyl) for death while asleep
research chemicals are sold with a label "not for human consumption", and found legally, online
(they are not sold for human consumption)
opioids and benzodiazepines can replicate the MOA of Pentobarb and Fentanyl

drugs to help induce coma / anesthesia / terminal sedation / unconsciousness:

Fentanyl - 2mg lethal - unconsciousness/coma

Methylmethaqualone (MMQ) - 3mg lethal

• dose of 100-500 for a normal high (seizure possible with OD) - Quaalude analogue; 150mg
• Ambien, Xanax, Pentobarbital
• Methylmethaqualone is a Quaalude analogue
• Methylmethaqualone and take it orally 10 mins (even 30 minutes after the Proto is snorted.)

Protonitazene 2mg lethal ; 50mg - for sedated death

• opioid stronger than fentanyl

Flubromazepam, which is more akin to Pentobarbital (without seizure)



-benzos:

sedative, GABAergic benzos
benzos go-to ($150 from these Chinese sources)
Xanax, Valium, Ambien, Zopiclone, Tapentadol (and anything that ends in -zepam or -zolam)
Tapentadol, Tianeptine, Pregabalin and Zopiclone
Mirtazapine (this is arguably more sedating than benzos, and has very, very strong antiemetic effects)


-zene based RC opioids:

Protonitazene
Metonitazene
Flubromazepam
Gidazepam
Deschloroetizolam
isotonitazene (legal RC opioid)(several times stronger than Fentanyl)(snorted)
Protonitazene is stronger than Fentanyl (30-60mg for sedated death)
Protonitazepyne - 30mg for sedated death; sold by the gram, for like $20 per gram
protonitazene is deadlier than MMQ
Hydromorphone (30mg), and of Klonopin (100mg):add Alcohol and Benadryl
have Diphenhydramine/Benadryl or another antiemetic
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...kit-i-study-pharmacology.113882/#post-1933909

-zenes: No need to IV, snort a line of fent with no opi tolerance (30-60mg)

Somas/Carisoprodol (strong sedatives)
Phenprobamate - RC's that touch the barbiturate receptor
(from india, and since it affects the same site as barbiturates, a high dose is arguably more lethal than opioids, since it doesn't cause nausea, just eternal sleep)
Diazepam (weaker sedative ?)
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/whats-in-your-suicide-kit-i-study-pharmacology.113882/page-2#post-1934975 (bloop714 said)

Carisoprodol (Barbiturates)
Nitromethaqualone (NMQ). Nitromethaqualone is deadlier than Methylmethaqualone
Diphenhydramine 100mg - sedative
Carisoprodol aka Soma, a muscle relaxer online from India
Bromaz megadose for SN (not sure what this is)

Propofol turns off consciousness and lidocaine stops the heart (Sunset Limited said)
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...study-pharmacology.113882/page-3#post-1936176

500mg Oxy with no tolerance, specially when mixed with alcohol or benzos - will work
oxy pills have too much filler usually to snort, and oral dosing isn't too guaranteed in death because you can vomit

-zenes (Etazene, Protonitazine, Protonitazepyne, Metonitazene) stronger than Fentanyl

-Methylmethaqualone is the best, but -zenes are also a peaceful sleepy death, specially if you drink a little or take RC Benzo or Methaqualone analogue. Zenes and Methaqualone - painless

Hydromorphone retard definitely works, but retard means extended release, so crush them up before trying anything so they are immediate release and thus double the potency, also you will need several pills, mixed with an also high dose of a benzodiazepine or other GABAergic. Go google "Hydromorphone Psychonautwiki"

—-

-other notes (from all posts)

further research: r/researchchemicals (on reddit)
other legal opioid reseach chems - chinese much cheaper than us;
found on clearnet (no need for darknet); other sources: indian pharmacies
benzodiazepine powders can lead to addiction
chinese are more professional, reliable and cheaper, just slower: 2-3 week shipping
ordering from the suppliers in China you should keep the amounts low
30-60mg of any -zene opioid are probably 99%
throw in a GABAergic like alcohol, xanax, ambien, zopiclone or any benzos to make it 100%
I would recommend some benadryl for the nausea if you have an opioid tolerance, as that means it will take a bit longer to OD and could get nauseous. But luckily if it is snorted no amount of vomiting will prevent death and falling asleep within 2 minutes.
alcohol. I would use the highest amount you can handle without getting nauseous, and snort the opioid so that if it causes nausea you'll fall asleep before you can feel any nausea
Unless you are a heroin/fenty user, then maybe you'll need 2 normal sized lines for tolerance
Snorting would mean that it kicks in within a minute or two and you'll definitely fall asleep before you can notice any nausea
Benzos cannot be snorted though so take that, then snort the opioid as soon as you feel a little tired from the benzo.
do it in isolation, and if you can't find isolation for 30 minutes then mix it with a GABAergic sedative and also some Benadryl
Ketamine is even more effective for pain (Opioids)

my notes:
we are forced by society to determine the best peaceful methods (vs more violent methods)
sources are not allowed on this site (but just have to know the vendors)
a lot of suicidal people here don't have energy (or too depressed) to spend hours on research

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…Also you don't need to crush retard pills into a powder for them to be instant release/double potency. Simply cutting them in half with a pill cutter will work just fine

The diphenhydramine will definitely work. Make sure to take about 100mg of it if you intend to use a high dose of HM (not sure what HM is). You should also dose your GABAergic drug at least 30 minutes before the opioid as well, so that you are already sedated and nodding off by the time the HM kicks in.

High doses of a GABAergic and diphenhydramine can kick in faster though, so take them only 15 minutes before if you start to get tired by the 15 minute mark. Although in general these drugs take 30-60 mins for notable effects. And again, antihistamine with the opioid isn't guaranteeing it, unless you take a big dose of both.

is my summary / list wrong?
thanks!

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ultimately i'd like to update my table of peaceful methods, with a new entry above fentanyl, for -zenes:

Method	Peacefulness	Reliability	Availability
Nembutal	100 %	100 %	not available
Carfentanil	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Fentanyl	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Heroin	100 %	100 %	drug dealers / street
Nitrogen	100 %	100 %	legal
Carbon Monoxide	100 %	100 %	legal
GHB	100 %	need info	darknet
Propofol	100%	need info	need info
Barbital-100 (phenobarbital)	100%	need info	darknet
Sodium Nitrite	need info	need info	legal (in some countries)
Nigh-Night	need info	need info	100 %
Tourniquet	need info	need info	100 %
Choking Game	need info	need info	100 %
Hanging	need info	need info	100 %
Bleeding	need info	need info	100 %
Shallow-water blackout	need info	need info	100 %
SS Resource Compilation	-	-

my initial thread is here:

Peaceful Suicide Methods

@deathissosad - you can PM me anytime, but i don’t have enough details about any medication, nor any sources; all information about methods are from this forum; sometimes i get info from bluelight.org, but not often @outrider567 - thanks. to me, nitrogen (inert gases) is the next best thing...

sanctioned-suicide.net

(i don't have a lot of info on GHB)

Yes if you read through the whole thread you can tell there's a lot of ways to go about this. Let me put it simply though since you got some details wrong, I don't blame you though as I said so many methods and don't really want to make a single method post. The biggest error I saw is that you classified Flubromazepam, Gidazepam and Deschloroetizolam as -zene based opioids. Anything ending in -zepam or -zolam is a Benzodiazepine, anything ending in -zene or -pyne (like Protonitazene or Protonitazepyne) is a -zene based opioid.

Also you said Flubromazepam is similar to Nembutal, but in reality when I said that, I was comparing the similarity of some other sedative with Flubromazepam relative to Nembutal and decided that Flubromazepam is more similar to Nembutal out of the two, but there are much more similar and better options.

So, the best way to go about this is with a GABAergic sedative taken first, and when you feel a bit sedated (15 mins to 2h after dosing) snort a line of a -zene based opioid while sedated. You could also replace that second opioid part with a Quaalude analogue (anything ending with -etaqualone)

For a further guarantee, you can also take a megadose of your sedative/benzo at the same time that you take your killer substance (opioid or Quaalude analogue) to ensure you are fast asleep for everything. This is mostly unnecessary as this shit in combination at correct doses will kill even an educated junkie just trying to have fun, but it makes a guarantee, specially if your supplies aren't the deadliest on the lists I made, then it is very recommended for a guarantee. I also am not listing dosages as they can easily be found online, and I can't make it too easy for all you.

So I guess I will make my Research Chemical OD guide here, hidden in this thread, and not too detailed. These are just RC's that are legal around most of the world and therefore accessible to most people, legally.

Here is a list of GABAergics that I have been able to purchase myself or seen on verified vendor's sites around the world. Organized by strength. Quaalude analogues are technically GABAergics but I will put those in a separate category as you want to mix one of the things below, with a Quaalude analogue or a -zene based opioid.

1. - Carisoprodol: Ordered easily from online pharmacies in India, or at your local pharmacy if you have a prescription or live in a country with lax pharmacies, and albeit being a prescription med, small amounts (100 or less pills) from India are usually accepted by customs. This one acts on the barbiturate receptor similarly to Nembutal and is definitely lethal on its own, but a combo is always better.
2. - Phenprobamate: This one is a prescription drug in some countries, and is unregulated in most countries, it can be found in Canada as a legal RC powder and ships worldwide. It is similar to Carisoprodol, as Carisoprodol turns into Meprobamate once digested, which is just a bit stronger than this one, and you can tell by the name, they are similar compounds.
3. - Chloral Hydrate: This can easily be found online from China on non-RC affiliated sites, although technically it is a scheduled compound, it has many uses in laboratory microscopy, and I have gotten 500g of this stuff past USA customs from China twice before. It acts on the GABA receptors similarly to Barbiturates, stronger than benzodiazepines. This stuff tastes extremely vile though and should be dosed in capsules.
4. - Chlormethiazole: This compound also acts on Barbiturate receptors, if I remember correctly, and if it doesn't act on the barbiturate-GABA site, I am at least certain that it is a stronger sedative than benzodiazepines. This and also its analogues can be found in Canada and shipped worldwide.
5. - Flubrotizolam: Now we are at the benzo level, all benzos are considerably less lethal than the compounds above, as they affect the GABA site similarly to Barbiturates, but in a more tame way that makes them hard to OD simply from Benzodiazepines, whereas an OD simply from Barbs is not too difficult. I am not going to name all RC benzos as there are so many, but this one is widely sold by USA, Europe and Chinese vendors as well. Benzos are also the most common item on USA research chemical menus.
6. - Zopiclone: It is a prescription drug but just like Soma/Carisoprodol, it can easily be found by online indian pharmacies and small quantities usually make it past customs. This is a very sedating benzodiazepine.
7. - Flubromazepam: Another very widely sold RC benzo that is strong and good, but note that this one takes a little longer to peak than other benzos and its effects can easily last 24h.
8. - Pagoclone: Found in Canada, and some clandestine Chinese labs, it is not the most sedating benzo but is still much stronger than those listed just below.
9. - Gidazepam/Bromonordiazepam, Bretazenil, and Rilmazafone: These benzos are widely sold online but they are the weakest and least sedating benzos out there, so they should only be used as a last resort, or if you already have a very deadly combo that you are mixing these with. Also Rilmazafone has a ceiling dose, meaning that after a certain dose, no matter how much you take, all it will do is prolong the effects, not increase the intensity, and although the ceiling dose is high, it should be noted.

Note: Benzos have poor water solubility and thus poor intranasal bioavailability, so they should only be taken orally, if you have them in pure powder form they should not be snorted, you should get 90% alcohol, or heat up some Propylene Glycol in order to make them into a volumetric solution, and then divide the mg of Benzo by the mL of solvent to see what your mg/mL dosage is. But most benzo RC's already come in pre-made liquid solutions anyways unless you request the powder form. They also come with a mL syringe to measure your mL's and get an accurate dose.

After you are properly sedated, I recommend using a Quaalude analogue, or a strong opioid. Quaalude analogues are technically GABAergic, but they are different from Benzos in that their lethal doses are only slightly higher than the recreational doses, making them very deadly and sometimes causing accidental overdoses on their own, while Benzos are quite safe and a bit hard to OD on them without a combination of drugs. This makes Quaalude analogues the closest thing to Nembutal for a sedated overdose. They also bind to the same part of the GABA receptor as Barbiturates, although they usually kill you with a seizure, AFTER putting you to sleep, which is the one thing that makes them a bit different from Nembutal, and if you take a dose that isn't enough to be lethal, but is a bit past "recreational doses" you will get "the shakes" and then a seizure, but if you fill any two 00 sized capsules, or emptied out 500mg supplement capsules with one of these in pure powder form, you will go out in your sleep, the combo is just recommended as overkill. Below are the Quaalude analogues that I can find in the current RC market:

1. - Nitromethaqualone: Arguably the most deadly of the bunch, even junkies don't touch it anymore because all it does is put you to sleep and have seizures, a recreational dose is just a few specs away from a lethal one, it has killed many on accident. Found in China.
2. - Methylmethaqualone: This one is also super deadly but some junkies mess with it anyway, as it can be recreational before the lethal doses. But 2 capsules of this shit will kill you. Found in Canada and Chinese vendors.
3. - Mebroqualone: I believe this one is still on the market, it is still legal, and it has been reported on recently. All I will say is you can get it in Chinese labs and is a bit less lethal than MMQ but just do your research.
4. - Ephinazone: This one is the least deadly of the RC bunch, but two size 00 capsules of this stuff will definitely kill you, specially in a good combo. Found in Canada and clandestine Chinese labs.
5. - Afloqualone: This one is technically still a prescription drug in Japan, although it is not scheduled in the USA and many other countries. It can be purchased from online Japanese pharmacies and more obscure RC vendors. It is definitely the safest of the entire bunch, although you can easily OD simply from Afloqualone without a combo, it may take a high dose and you should do your research.

Note: Just like benzos, Quaalude analogues are not water soluble, this means they cannot be used intranasally, sublingually and cannot be dissolved in normal drinks. It must be encapsulated, dissolved in alcohol (at least 30-35%) or alternatively they can be smoked with an oil rig/crack pipe. Smoking them makes them a lot stronger, do your research.​

Alternatively, you can take an opioid to finish the job, preferably intranasally, or IV, but don't even try to IV if it's your first time injecting. Intranasal is sufficient. I will name the ones that are on the market right now. They aren't exactly in order as any visible amount of a -zene that isn't a few specs of dust is probably going to kill you, even just up the nose, but I recommend railing a cocaine-sized line while sedated with something above, just to ensure things. Most zenes are deadlier than Fentanyl or on par, unless otherwise noted.

1. Butonitazene: Sold in China and one line will fuck you.
2. Protonitazepyne: Sold in the EU and in China, doesn't end in -zene but it's all the same drug class.
3. Metonitazepyne: Sold in the EU and in China, one line will fuck you.
4. Metonitazene: Sold in the EU and in China, this one is the only -zene that CAN be notably weaker than Fentanyl but only if taken orally, intranasally the bioavailability is higher and one line will fuck you.
5. Fentanyl: Not an RC but it has become quite easy to get. If you get pure or near pure Fentanyl, one line will fuck you.
6. Brorphine: This one is only found in Canada and some clandestine Chinese labs, it is about 1/4 the strength of Fentanyl, so I would simply snort 2 lines of this one to ensure things. It is technically a schedule 1 substance in the USA, but if it has a "not for human consumption label" (as all RC's should have) it is legal, it is the only RC with such a law in the USA, other RC's simply have no laws on them.
7. Opioid RC's that won't guarantee things: 2-Methyl-AP-237, and Dipyanone unless you IV them but these two are extremely caustic and therefore you better get the IV right otherwise you will be in a lot of pain, they also hurt like a bitch to snort and have strengths comparable to Morphine.
8. Pharma Opioids won't guarantee things: Due to the amount of filler in pharma opioid pills, you can't exactly snort or IV guaranteed lethal doses, unless you can get an IV version from a hospital. so oral consumption is usually required for most of the lethal dose. Although this may result in death most of the time, specially with higher doses, vomiting is always involved, so it could mean that a good part of said opioid gets vomited out which is what "gets the job done" so this could ruin things for you. So even though heroic doses of pharma opioids are usually lethal, I only give the guarantee to the stuff above #7.
9. The only times that pharmaceutical opioids will guarantee a sedated death are if you have a super strong IV solution from a hospital, or if have taken a big dose of one of the Quaalude analogues (Methylmethaquaone, Nitromethaqualone, Ephinazone) above beforehand, or one of the Barbiturate-GABAergics that are stated above, like Carisoprodol, or Chlormethiazole, before taking a heroic dose of whatever pharma opioid you have in mind. Also there are ways to smoke the Fentanyl in Fentanyl patches, which can easily kill you on its own but a combo is always great to guarantee things.

These are the "corrections" I would make to your post above, but I understand the confusion as I mentioned a million different sedated combos that result in death and I ramble a lot. Dosages aren't provided because google will provide them as easily for you as for me and when it comes to combos it really just comes down to a high dose of both. Usually with a low dose sedative before, and then a megadose of your choice sedative when you take the killer substance. A lot of this stuff doesn't even need combos to kill you but taking a sedative beforehand can take the edge off and make the whole thing a lot easier on your mind.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

Dexmedetomidine is avaliable in some chinese trade sites. It is not controlled substance but really dangerous, as I said it works with really small doses like fentanyl. Thiopental and propofol 100% peaceful and reliable but what I said about dexmedetomidine is hypothetical. Deep sedation is guaranteed but I don't know if it is lethal. Most likely yes but still not guaranteed.

Good luck finding Thiopental, most barbiturates aren't even on the Darkweb anymore, all we have are the shitty ones that are almost benzos, like Phenobarb and Butalbital. Thiopental, Seconal and Nembutal are some of the hardest things to come across. Unless you know a veterinarian or work in some Indian hospital, then maybe.

Nice study. Propofol is 100% peaceful and reliable but if someone is not health professional, it is not realistic way to CTB. IV route is really hard. 1000 mg lethal dose so it is required an infusion pump or drip infusion setup. You can add thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate. It was used for induction of anesthesia before propofol. It is more reliable than propofol because of its longer half-life and sold in powder form in vials. So possible to push fatal dose of 10 cc thiopental.

Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is very selective A2 agonist. It can work orally. Oral dose for deep sedation is 10 mg. In high doses, it may cause cardiovascular collapse, followed by profound hypotension and bradycardia. It works with very small doses. The loading dose for inducible sedation is only 1mcg/kg IV. If someone drinks 10 grams of dexmedetomidine, they will most likely die in a deep coma. Just like N. Again, all this information is hypothetical because there are no case reports.

I definitely agree, but 99% of people don't have access to Propofol, and then don't even get me started on Thiopental, shit is extremely hard to find, a lot harder than Propofol. Even on the DarkWeb Thiopental or any of those short acting Barbiturates like Seconal and Nembutal that are so mystical, are extremely hard to find, what country are you in that makes you mention Thiopental like if it were accessible in 2023? Are you a veterinarian or something? I mean the rarity and price, I guess, of that shit is why I centered my post on research chems.

than you sunset !! ok, so i'll remove Propofol from my table

and i want to add:

- Thiopental also, it is an ultra short acting IV barbiturate, and
- Dexmedetomidine also has strong potential to become a second N. It is very selective A2 agonist (orally)

but i don't know where to place them: are they both very reliable? i'm assuming they are both are peaceful, but are they available (easy to find them on clearnet?)

Honestly your chances of finding Thiopental in 2023 are very close to 0%, unless you are a veterinarian that uses Thiopental instead of Propofol, for some reason. Propofol mostly replaced those short acting barbiturates, so your chances are definitely 0% on the clearnet. For that stuff you usually need to know someone or work in a facility that still uses Thiopental, as at least in the USA it has been mostly phased out and replaced by Propofol.

You are better off looking into the RC guide I just posted right above in this thread, if you want stuff from the clearnet.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I definitely agree, but 99% of people don't have access to Propofol, and then don't even get me started on Thiopental, shit is extremely hard to find, a lot harder than Propofol. Even on the DarkWeb Thiopental or any of those short acting Barbiturates like Seconal and Nembutal that are so mystical, are extremely hard to find, what country are you in that makes you mention Thiopental like if it were accessible in 2023? Are you a veterinarian or something? I mean the rarity and price, I guess, of that shit is why I centered my post on research chems.

In some asian countries propofol, thiopental, IV digoxin, IV metoprolol, bupivacaine, lidocaine are OTC drugs. In my country only thiopental is not OTC. I can access also cannulas, infusion sets, lumens and surgery stuff. In Asia OTC drug list is different from western countries. A member has access thiopental too but idk which country. The OTC drug list in Asian countries may surprise you :)

 

[ksp]

So I guess I will make my Research Chemical OD guide here

great info - thanks for your time !!

so i think i got it:


Sedation; sorted by strength:

• Carisoprodol - sold under the brand name Soma, is a medication used for musculoskeletal pain
• Phenprobamate - similar to barbiturates
• Chloral Hydrate - similarly to Barbiturates, stronger than benzodiazepines; use as a sedative
• Chlormethiazole - is a sedative; stronger sedative than benzodiazepines
• Flubrotizolam - benzo level, all benzos are less lethal (not to be used for OD); potent sedative
• Zopiclone - is a nonbenzodiazepine used to treat difficulty sleeping
• Flubromazepam - RC benzo that is strong and good; is a benzodiazepine derivative
• Pagoclone - weak benzo but still much stronger than those below; related to zopiclone
• Gidazepam/Bromonordiazepam, Bretazenil, and Rilmazafone - weakest sedating benzos

Note: Benzos have poor water solubility and thus poor intranasal bioavailability, so they should only be taken orally, if you have them in pure powder form they should not be snorted, you should get 90% alcohol, or heat up some Propylene Glycol in order to make them into a volumetric solution

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Spoiler: my research on sedation

suggestions from previous posts:

• Xanax
• Valium
• Ambien
• Zopiclone
• Tapentadol
• Tianeptine
• Pregabalin
• Mirtazapine

Benzos (Benzodiazepines); anything that ends in -zepam or -zolam)

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from clearnet:

• Triazolam (Halcion) dose 0.25 mg. Very short duration.
• Clonazepam (Klonipin) dose 0.25-0.5mg. Long duration.
• Lorazepam (Ativan) dose 0.5-1mg. Intermediate to short duration.
• Alprazolam (Xanax) dose 0.5-1mg. Short duration
• Flunitrazepam (Hypnodorm) dose 1 mg. Long duration.
• Diazepam (Xanax) dose 5 mg. Long duration.
• Nitrazepam (Alodorn) dose 5 mg. Long duration.
• Bromazepam (Lexotan) dose 3-6 mg. Mid-length duration.
• Clobazam (Frisium) dose 10-15 mg. Long duration.
• Temazepam (Normison) dose 10-20 mg. Short duration.
• Oxazepam (Alepam) dose 30 mg. Short duration.

(source for above list: https://psychologenie.com/benzodiazepines-list-in-order-of-strength)
At high doses, you may stop breathing and fall asleep, which can lead to death

• Alprazolam (Xanax); potency: 0.5 mg
• Chlordiazepoxide (Librium); potency: 10 mg
• Clonazepam (Klonopin); potency: 0.25 mg - 0.50 mg
• Diazepam (Valium); potency: 5 mg
• Lorazepam (Ativan); potency: 1 mg
• Oxazepam (Serax); potency: 15 mg (?)

(source for above list: https://www.hopkinsguides.com/hopkins/view/Johns_Hopkins_Psychiatry_Guide/787140/all/Benzodiazepines)

• Xanax (pro); generic name: alprazolam 8.7 897 reviews
• klonopin (pro); generic name: clonazepam 8.5 731 reviews
• ativan (pro); generic name: lorazepam 8.0 462 reviews
• valium (pro); generic name: diazepam 8.6 323 reviews
• librium (pro); generic name: chlordiazepoxide 8.7 174 reviews
• restoril (pro); generic name: temazepam 6.8 107 reviews
• xanax xr (pro); generic name: alprazolam 8.8 82 reviews
• versed; generic name: midazolam 4.3 74 reviews
• halcion (pro); generic name: triazolam 7.8 31 reviews
• klonopin wafer; generic name: clonazepam 9.1 24 reviews
• dalmane; generic name: flurazepam 8.1 21 reviews
• tranxene generic name: clorazepate 9.4 17 reviews
• serax; generic name: oxazepam 8.8 14 reviews
• lorazepam intensol (pro); generic name: lorazepam 8.6 14 reviews
• niravam (pro); generic name: alprazolam 9.5 13 reviews
• alprazolam intensol (pro); generic name: alprazolam 9.4 13 reviews
• diazepam intensol; generic name: diazepam 9.4 8 reviews
• doral (pro); generic name: quazepam 9.7 6 reviews
• tranxene t-tab (pro); generic name: clorazepate 8.5 2 reviews
• tranxene sd; generic name: clorazepate 7.0 2 reviews
• prosom (pro); generic name: estazolam 9.7 2 reviews
• loreev xr (pro); generic name: lorazepam 9.5 2 reviews
• zetran; generic name: diazepam 10 1 review
• nayzilam (pro); generic name: midazolam 10 1 review
• seizalam; generic name: midazolam no reviews
• byfavo (pro); generic name: remimazolam no reviews

(source for above list: https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/benzodiazepines.html)

side notes:

• just so you understand difficulties in my research: my stroke affected my speech and language; last year i was unable to speak (not even able to say 'hi') and i was not able to read - only able to understand simple sentences
• when i was normal i would be able to do research, but now i'm not; i'm restricted to this site because i'm trying to force myself into recovery, but it's extremely difficult (your research is very useful)
• it took me sever hours to organize this answer

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-zenes / -zepynes - Research Chemicals (RC) - opioids

Butonitazene - is a benzimidazole derivative with opioid effects
Protonitazepyne (or Protonitazene?) - benzimidazole derivative with potent opioideffects
Metonitazepyne - sedative (anxiety disorders, insomnia, and other related conditions)
Metonitazene - weaker than Fentanyl if orally; is an analgesic compound related to etonitazene
Brorphine - 1/4 the strength of Fentanyl; is a piperidine-based opioid analgesiccompound

notes:

• 'snort 2 lines…' - don't know what 'one line' is (used in movies, with a razor blade?)
• 'Fentanyl: Not an RC but it has become quite easy to get' - for most of us, this is not easy to get (especially in pure form); we don't have access to hospital mediation, labs, or pharma grade drugs
• i don't know how to inject (i only have basic knowledge from this link: Inject-Into-a-Vein

 

[SanctionedSquad]

There are many types of "inert gases" so I have no idea. Regardless inert gases like Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas) Helium and Xenon gas are not very deadly. You will be extremely impaired and unable to move your arms before you can inhale enough, or lose consciousness. I once had a friend inhale helium to speak in a funny voice and simply lost consciousness. So you will probably lose consciousness for like 2 minutes and will definitely not succeed in anything.

What about nitrogen?
Suicide by inert gas is one of the most painless suicide methods and it should kill in up to 15 Minutes.
I am interested if your rc overdose would be even less painful and how long it would take for you to "feel dead" and when you are actually dead?

 

[vaguebluur]

I successfully ended my life back in November (double cardiac arrest brought back to life twice) I used GBL, alcohol and Xanax. Very peaceful death.

 

[Loner1992]

@Proper Overdoser Would you mind telling me if this here would work? I have just been accepted into this forum and I am very grateful. It might sound like I repeat what has been said, but there are very slight variations that I want to be sure about. I actually read this whole thread very carefully. And if I chose to take my life (I'm considering all the options I have), I want to be able to go in peace and spare myself any unnecessary suffering. That's why I try to really know the details.

Here's the facts:

Body
Male
75 kg
183 cm
opioid-naive

Drugs at hand
18x 24 mg Hydromorphone ER (HM)
250x 2 mg Clonazepam (CL)
unlimited Alcohol
unlimited 50 mg Dimenhydrinate (DimHy)
Additionally, I can also provide for isolation as long as needed.

I am not able to get Diphenhydramine or Benadryl for legal reasons in my country (and it's not something a dealer would be able to provide me with).
From what has been written so far I took that 30 mg of HM would be enough, as long as the pills are at least cut in half once to make them immediate release. I also understood that I should take about 6 mg CL and about 100 mg DimHy 30 minutes before I take the 400 mg of HM and about 100 mg of CL, possibly with some big shots of alcohol and a ginger supplement.

My biggest fear is of course botching the attempt and waking up with brain damage from oxygen deprivation. The highest risk for failing seems to be the vomiting part, as I took from my research and the previous posts here
.
My questions would mainly be: Is the DimHy strong / good enough to ensure that I do not throw up? And secondly, if I did throw up, would the HM be resorbed quickly enough, so that it wouldn't matter anyway? I mean, it would be more than 400 mg of HM immediate release... I could also take 17 cut pills of HM at the time described and snort a crushed 24 mg pill right after it.

Thank you for reading this and giving me some of your time if you did, I really appreciate this.

PS: If anyone else would be so kind to give me their opinion on my ideas about the kit, please feel invited to spare your two cents as well.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

@Proper Overdoser Would you mind telling me if this here would work? I have just been accepted into this forum and I am very grateful. It might sound like I repeat what has been said, but there are very slight variations that I want to be sure about. I actually read this whole thread very carefully. And if I chose to take my life (I'm considering all the options I have), I want to be able to go in peace and spare myself any unnecessary suffering. That's why I try to really know the details.

Here's the facts:

Body
Male
75 kg
183 cm
opioid-naive

Drugs at hand
18x 24 mg Hydromorphone ER (HM)
250x 2 mg Clonazepam (CL)
unlimited Alcohol
unlimited 50 mg Dimenhydrinate (DimHy)
Additionally, I can also provide for isolation as long as needed.

I am not able to get Diphenhydramine or Benadryl for legal reasons in my country (and it's not something a dealer would be able to provide me with).
From what has been written so far I took that 30 mg of HM would be enough, as long as the pills are at least cut in half once to make them immediate release. I also understood that I should take about 6 mg CL and about 100 mg DimHy 30 minutes before I take the 400 mg of HM and about 100 mg of CL, possibly with some big shots of alcohol and a ginger supplement.

My biggest fear is of course botching the attempt and waking up with brain damage from oxygen deprivation. The highest risk for failing seems to be the vomiting part, as I took from my research and the previous posts here
.
My questions would mainly be: Is the DimHy strong / good enough to ensure that I do not throw up? And secondly, if I did throw up, would the HM be resorbed quickly enough, so that it wouldn't matter anyway? I mean, it would be more than 400 mg of HM immediate release... I could also take 17 cut pills of HM at the time described and snort a crushed 24 mg pill right after it.

Thank you for reading this and giving me some of your time if you did, I really appreciate this.

PS: If anyone else would be so kind to give me their opinion on my ideas about the kit, please feel invited to spare your two cents as well.

If you take 400mg of Hydromorphone, instant release orally, while sedated, there is no coming back from that. Even 400mg ER would be deadly, as that's 200mg Instant release, since ER pills are half IR, and the other half released 4h later. If you have 250mg Clonazepam, see how many you can take, from 1-6mg before you CTB, to gauge how long it takes to make you fall asleep or feel drowsy if you can resist the sleepiness, starting at 1-2mg, and working your way up to 6mg if 1-2mg doesn't have you asleep or sedated within an hour or 30 mins, just like you would when you CTB, but without the opioid, just testing the sedative to see how you should do it. Also take the megadose of the CL maybe 5 mins before the HM to further guarantee sleep.

But yes apart from that, all looks good, just note that DimHy will add considerable sedation specially at doses that are above 50mg which will help nausea a lot, and it is over the counter in most countries? That's quite odd. And it will not prevent vomiting at such a dose of opioid, but it will make it so you are 100% asleep before the nausea does feel too intense. But yeah solid plan, that's how I would do it at least.

 

[exploitedbacteria]

I'd really like to DM you @Proper Overdoser but I'm too new. Trying to post as much as I can so we can chat, I could use some help. Guess I have to be here for 24 hours too… maybe tomorrow.… I'm eager to find a solution.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

I'd really like to DM you @Proper Overdoser but I'm too new. Trying to post as much as I can so we can chat, I could use some help. Guess I have to be here for 24 hours too… maybe tomorrow.… I'm eager to find a solution.

feel free with general questions but with you being so new idk how much i would want to help. sorry

 

[thebeach]

I have Methylmethaqualone and Protonitazene (both are legal research chemical drugs, with proto being an opioid stronger than fentanyl) on me all the time because of a snitch that might ruin my life, I will overdose before cops bring me into any police station, even though the crime is small, I have nothing to live for and American prison sounds worse than death. Last year I overdosed on Methylmethaqualone, unintentionally as some forum was saying dosages of 100-500 were required just for a normal high, but they must have had a bad batch because me and everyone on reddit responded strongly to doses below 10mg, I would have died if my roommate didn't call an ambulance, since I guess he heard my unconscious body seizing and foaming at the mouth.

But I simply took too much and passed out, the doc said I had a seizure (normal with these Quaalude analogues) but I fell asleep and was unconscious for all of that. So I added an opioid, Protonitazene to aid me in a quicker and guaranteed death next time. I have about 50mg of Protonitazene and 150mg Methylmethaqualone in a MARKED capsule that I keep in my daily medicine container. For reference, you only need about 2mg of Fentanyl to die, so a similar amount would be for Protonitazene, and for Methylmethaqualone, smoking 2-3mg will give an intense high, slightly more is needed orally so I made it 150 for the overkill.

I make this post because I have no idea why you people choose weird techniques or devices, or SN for suicide, when you can literally buy similar drugs, legally and online, similar to those used in legal assisted suicides in Switzerland (Pentobarbital and Fentanyl is what is officially used iirc) which will allow you to go unconscious and then die peacefully, it is simply a strong GABAergic (Pentobarbital) and an opioid (Fentanyl) to guarantee death while asleep, as it should be. This is why my kit is a strong opioid, and a strong GABAergic with a more narrow therapeutic index than Pentobarbital, as Pentobarbital is impossible to get nowadays.

I chose MMQ as my GABAergic (GABAergic drugs are those like Ambien, Xanax, Pentobarbital, and in my case Methylmethaqualone) because it worked before, but could easily replace it with a legal research chemical benzodiazepine like Flubromazepam, which is more akin to Pentobarbital and will only make you pass out with the opioid, rather than pass out and cause a seizure, if I wanted to avoid a seizure from MMQ, although I passed out before my seizure last time and felt nothing, basically fell asleep and woke up in a hospital with a tube in my throat.

TL;DR I study pharmacology but don't want to commit the crime of assisted suicide so I wont help you acquire these legal research chemicals, and wont help you make a plan although I am very willing to tell you if your suicide kit will not guarantee your death and if it is a painful route, so that at least you don't take that route, as suicide does not have to be painful. Mainly because all of the guides I see here sound extremely painful and may impair you severely but not render you unconscious.

What's wrong with SN? I genuinely think I am too stupid to figure out anything more complicated and SN seems like an easier option?

 

[Proper Overdoser]

What's wrong with SN? I genuinely think I am too stupid to figure out anything more complicated and SN seems like an easier option?

I think going out in your sleep with a concoction of sedatives is a lot more peaceful than a headache, hypoxia, stomach cramping, severe nausea and vomiting that come with SN.

 

[thebeach]

I think going out in your sleep with a concoction of sedatives is a lot more peaceful than a headache, hypoxia, stomach cramping, severe nausea and vomiting that come with SN.

That's where the painkillers and antisemitics come in... No? I'm an ex opioid addict and I've coped with symptoms far worse than those. You pass out not long after consumption so you wouldn't be conscious for the worst of the sumptoms. These are my assumptions of course so am interested to hear if you think otherwise?

Somewhat off topic but I am also thinking about jumping from the tall straight drop at Beachy head as it isn't far from where I live. I assume at the right point this is guaranteed.

I am really very stupid so it needs to be simple. But I can handle some pain. Quite a bit of pain in fact.

 

[MG_39]

@Proper Overdoser I have to start with saying that I don't have much pharmacological knowledge. But something feel wrong with what you wrote here.

Carisoprodol: Ordered easily from online pharmacies in India, or at your local pharmacy if you have a prescription or live in a country with lax pharmacies, and albeit being a prescription med, small amounts (100 or less pills) from India are usually accepted by customs. This one acts on the barbiturate receptor similarly to Nembutal and is definitely lethal on its own, but a combo is always better.

So Carisoprodol is a positive allosteric modulator and increase the frequency of the chloride channel opening, barbiturates in high does are not only PAM but also a direct agonist and increase the duration (the opening time is increased and keep decreasing the voltage until brain cells doesn't respond to nerve impulses) (When taking an overdose of course)

This is not the case for carisoprodol, since it doesn't directly stimulate the GABA receptor, but make it more efficient because of the increased frequency of the channel opening which would make carisoprodol more like a benzodiazepine in it's mechanism of action, and most likely not that lethal because it will never have enough depressive effect on cns.

I have to emphasize again that I don't have a lot of knowledge, so I might have missed something here, so if I'm wrong you (or anyone else) please clarify this for me.

 

[Proper Overdoser]

That's where the painkillers and antisemitics come in... No? I'm an ex opioid addict and I've coped with symptoms far worse than those. You pass out not long after consumption so you wouldn't be conscious for the worst of the sumptoms. These are my assumptions of course so am interested to hear if you think otherwise?

Somewhat off topic but I am also thinking about jumping from the tall straight drop at Beachy head as it isn't far from where I live. I assume at the right point this is guaranteed.

I am really very stupid so it needs to be simple. But I can handle some pain. Quite a bit of pain in fact.

well idk I look into SN overdose and it just seems very unpleasant but haven't read reports idk. Rather get high and go out in euphoria and then die in my sleep

@Proper Overdoser I have to start with saying that I don't have much pharmacological knowledge. But something feel wrong with what you wrote here.


So Carisoprodol is a positive allosteric modulator and increase the frequency of the chloride channel opening, barbiturates in high does are not only PAM but also a direct agonist and increase the duration (the opening time is increased and keep decreasing the voltage until brain cells doesn't respond to nerve impulses) (When taking an overdose of course)

This is not the case for carisoprodol, since it doesn't directly stimulate the GABA receptor, but make it more efficient because of the increased frequency of the channel opening which would make carisoprodol more like a benzodiazepine in it's mechanism of action, and most likely not that lethal because it will never have enough enough depressive effect on cns.

I have to emphasize again that I don't have a lot of knowledge, so I might have missed something here, so if I'm wrong you (or anyone else) please clarify this for me.

Carisoprodol actually metabolizes into a considerable amount of Meprobamate, which I am pretty sure increases the duration that he receptors are opened, just like barbiturates. Also barbs are not a direct agonist at GABAa, the main difference and what makes them more lethal is that increased duration that the GABA receptors are opened. I am also pretty sure Carisoprodol lengthens the time that those GABAa receptors are opened, not just the meprobamate. It is very unlikely that Carisoprodol is only a PAM at GABAa. It feels a lot more like a barbiturate than a benzo.

Anyway for euthanasia with oral Nembutal, swiss doctors have stated 10-15g of Nembutal were required, when you compare the LD50 of Nembutal and Carisoprodol, then Carisoprodol is not very far off. 10g of Carisoprodol would likely kill you, specially with other sedatives. Anyways, tomorrow I can look into the details

 

[SorrowMind]

@Proper Overdoser one of my concerns with SN and sedatives is vomiting. what dose of sedatives do you need to take to make sure you don't wake up if you start vomiting? if you are unconscious and you start choking with vomit what if you regain consciousness and you are so tranquilized that you can't even react, this is a painful death. I guess it's not painful if you remain unconscious, I'm not sure how it works.

 

[thebeach]

well idk I look into SN overdose and it just seems very unpleasant but haven't read reports idk. Rather get high and go out in euphoria and then die in my sleep

Carisoprodol actually metabolizes into a considerable amount of Meprobamate, which I am pretty sure increases the duration that he receptors are opened, just like barbiturates. Also barbs are not a direct agonist at GABAa, the main difference and what makes them more lethal is that increased duration that the GABA receptors are opened. I am also pretty sure Carisoprodol lengthens the time that those GABAa receptors are opened, not just the meprobamate. It is very unlikely that Carisoprodol is only a PAM at GABAa. It feels a lot more like a barbiturate than a benzo.

Anyway for euthanasia with oral Nembutal, swiss doctors have stated 10-15g of Nembutal were required, when you compare the LD50 of Nembutal and Carisoprodol, then Carisoprodol is not very far off. 10g of Carisoprodol would likely kill you, specially with other sedatives. Anyways, tomorrow I can look into the details

Fair dues! Thanks