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what type of rope do i use?
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i'm thinking of going out in the classic method by hanging. i know that has been asked before, but i don't really know how to navigate this website yet. what type of rope should i use? how thick and how long? i'm sorry if this question is annoying... i want to ask this question though. also, how to tie a noose?
A rope's maximum safe load, or working load limit (WLL), is a percentage of its minimum breaking strength (MBS). It's the maximum load a rope can safely handle under normal conditions before potentially failing. The WLL is calculated by dividing the rope's MBS by a safety factor, typically between 5 and 10. For example, a rope with a 2500kg MBS, using a safety factor of 10, would have a WLL of 250kg.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Minimum Breaking Strength (MBS):
This is the force required to break the rope. It's the maximum load the rope can withstand before breaking.
Working Load Limit (WLL):
This is the safe load the rope can handle in real-world conditions. It's usually a fraction of the MBS, typically between 15% and 25%.
Safety Factor:
A multiplier used to determine the WLL. It provides a safety margin, ensuring the rope doesn't fail under unexpected loads or conditions.
Factors that Affect Rope Strength:
Knots: Tying knots in a rope reduces its strength significantly, often by 30-40%.
Age and Wear: Ropes weaken over time with use and exposure to the elements.
Environmental Conditions: UV radiation, extreme temperatures, and moisture can degrade rope strength.
Type of Knot: The specific type of knot used can also affect the reduction in strength.
Example:
If a climbing rope has a breaking strength of 2000 kg and a safety factor of 10 is used, the working load limit would be 200 kg (2000 kg / 10 = 200 kg). This means the rope can safely support a load of 200 kg, but it is not recommended to exceed this load.
A rope's maximum safe load, or working load limit (WLL), is a percentage of its minimum breaking strength (MBS). It's the maximum load a rope can safely handle under normal conditions before potentially failing. The WLL is calculated by dividing the rope's MBS by a safety factor, typically between 5 and 10. For example, a rope with a 2500kg MBS, using a safety factor of 10, would have a WLL of 250kg.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Minimum Breaking Strength (MBS):
This is the force required to break the rope. It's the maximum load the rope can withstand before breaking.
Working Load Limit (WLL):
This is the safe load the rope can handle in real-world conditions. It's usually a fraction of the MBS, typically between 15% and 25%.
Safety Factor:
A multiplier used to determine the WLL. It provides a safety margin, ensuring the rope doesn't fail under unexpected loads or conditions.
Factors that Affect Rope Strength:
Knots: Tying knots in a rope reduces its strength significantly, often by 30-40%.
Age and Wear: Ropes weaken over time with use and exposure to the elements.
Environmental Conditions: UV radiation, extreme temperatures, and moisture can degrade rope strength.
Type of Knot: The specific type of knot used can also affect the reduction in strength.
Example:
If a climbing rope has a breaking strength of 2000 kg and a safety factor of 10 is used, the working load limit would be 200 kg (2000 kg / 10 = 200 kg). This means the rope can safely support a load of 200 kg, but it is not recommended to exceed this load.
There is no single perfect rope, but generally you want something synthetic (less stretching) and a bit thicker 12mm/0.5 inches for comfort, and rated for a high weight (a guess of 2-3x your body weight). A general recommendation is a dock rope/mooring rope for boats. They are pretty cheap, can hold weight, and are easily available.
Length depends on the height of your anchor (and you!) and the size of your anchor and neck. Something like 15ft/5m is usually sufficient. You can always let the excess hang off (what I do) or cut it to size.
For the knot, you want a slip knot. It tightens under load so your loop will constrict with your weight. There are plenty of youtube videos out there to show you how to tie one. I have heard people say to use a snuggle hitch for the anchor side. If you buy a mooring rope it often has a loop at the end that you can wrap around your anchor and pull the rope through instead of using a knot.
As a general navigation tip, at the top of the Suicide Discussion section is a bunch of sticky (pinned) threads. These are all good resources to help you find information. This one is a good general place to start and has links to all of the megathreads on various methods:
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