Discussion What is your view on life in general vs. your personal life?

[Monomni]

Do you believe that life itself is meaningless (for everyone), or that your life in particular is meaningless? Do you believe that everyone would be better off dead, or just yourself?

Personally, I see no value in life in general, so mine is not an issue of self-hatred but more of misanthropy. What about you?

 

[Wolf Girl]

I definitely think it varies from person to person. I know people who have normal hard lives, but they have a little happy family at home and wouldn't trade their life for the world.

 

[BradGuy123]

I think the answer to this depends on the individual person, their spiritual beliefs, and their life circumstances. I believe that my soul incarnated into this body to learn spiritual lessons. As far as if everyone would be better off dead, I can only speak for myself. Right now, my life circumstances are decent. But if I were in a lot of chronic physical pain or I were on the verge of losing everything I have, then I might perhaps conclude I'd be better off dead.

 

[Monomni]

I believe that my soul incarnated into this body to learn spiritual lessons. Right now, my life circumstances are decent. But if I were in a lot of chronic physical pain or I were on the verge of losing everything I have, then I might perhaps conclude I'd be better off dead.

That's an interesting perspective. May I ask what drew you to this forum then? Are you trying to learn spiritual lessons from this place?

 

[ma0]

Life can be whatever a person makes of it. People have to make their own meaning, find their own purpose.

Some people have been very successful in finding meaning in their life. They found what makes them happy and created something for themselves. To them, I express congrats and wish them good luck. More power to them, they're happy and they have the right to be.

The issue with me is that I've struggled with applying meaning or finding something engaging in this life. I've done absolutely nothing, my life is utterly meaningless. That's why I wish to leave. There's nothing for me here.

 

[Cosmophobic]

As flesh robots assembled by blind processes, living on an insignificant rock floating in an ultimately unknowable universe I think meaning does not exist objectively speaking. However the meaning that some people manage to carve out for themselves works for them. It's useless in any grand scheme of things but it works for them and that's all it needs to do. I wouldn't take that away from anyone even if I could.

My life is meaningless. I couldn't find my meaning and I'm not going to at this point.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I hate life

 

[divinemistress36]

I think the answer to this depends on the individual person, their spiritual beliefs, and their life circumstances. I believe that my soul incarnated into this body to learn spiritual lessons. As far as if everyone would be better off dead, I can only speak for myself. Right now, my life circumstances are decent. But if I were in a lot of chronic physical pain or I were on the verge of losing everything I have, then I might perhaps conclude I'd be better off dead.

I had a psychic tell me I came to learn the lesson of bravery and to feel what it's like to have no control and try to come back from it. I failed this lesson

 

[Kiako]

Do you believe that life itself is meaningless (for everyone), or that your life in particular is meaningless? Do you believe that everyone would be better off dead, or just yourself?

Personally, I see no value in life in general, so mine is not an issue of self-hatred but more of misanthropy. What about you?

Personally i see little to no value in life, but if i were to put it on a broader spectrum, without imputing any of yours(/my) personal values to it its essentially worthless, hence why i believe the value of life really depends on how you see the world whether that is a curse or a blessing both sides of the same coin at the end of the day, as we all live in the same world we are merely viewing it through different perspectives.

On a more personal level i hate society and the system that governs it but i do like the individuals i don't know why but i just do, hope to understand myself better in this regard one day.

 

[Nightfoot]

We are alive because of millions, maybe billions or more, processes in the universe. We are alive by chance. The meaning of our individual life is whatever meaning we give it.

 

[mangoastronaut]

I think life in general is a blessing. There are so many beautiful things to experience from wonderful people to delicious foods to dumbfounding natural sights. Most of the world's ills come from what capitalism incentivizes us to do or forces us to do for survival. Even fighting against it brings beauty from community and art.

Me, though? I can't appreciate anything that life has to offer me. Not only that, but what I bring to this world is pain. My life is not meaningless but unneeded.

 

[LigottiIsRight]

I think, with all the conviction that's possible for this kind of issues, that life has no intrinsic value, is futile and being born is unnecessary. Like I have written in my bio, life isn't worth beginning.
My life in particular is a pile of crap, I'm basically disfunctional garbage that occupies space and consume resources.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Life is meaningless suffering torture slavery , an evil imposition

I don't think anything is worth even 5 minutes of the worst constant worst pain every second.

To me nothing is worth even 3 seconds of the worst pain. None of the garbage pleasure addictions they tell us are so good or that we have to do are worth going through the worst pain

Even fish have a brain and can suffer pain. This second now Life is torturing many billions of fish animals , humans every single day with diseases Accidents parasites injuries old age being eaten alive or being bit and left alive to suffer. This has been going on nonstop everyday for 500 million years.

Humans are just other animals. But they can be tortured even longer as from age 60 to 100 kept suffering alive by drugs and machines even if they beg to be killed. While a non human animal might only be tortured for a few weeks by starvation disease injuries or parasites before other animals eat the helpless animal alive finally putting an end to its misery at the moment its brain dies.

life is the only function in the universe that causes unbearable pain or extreme suffering. but they constantly tell us how beautiful life is and what a wonderful gift it is. i think life is evil.

non-existence forever is the only guarantee of never suffering so badly it's a trillion times worse than you can imagine. so eternal non-existence is the only perfection, the ultimate perfection .

i don't see why i have to live even another minute in this hell. i have to work a job , tedious chores every day just to exist under threat of extreme torture. why do i have to live another minute ? there isn't any answer. the only reason i'm still here is they made all guaranteed suicide methods into crimes like hiring someone to aid u with suicide . they did that to makes us prisoners and slaves. this horrible suicide prohibition state is another reason for me to kill myself.

isn't it odd that we never see or hear anything related to what i wrote above in these short paragraphs . i have little energy and less time or i would have written much more horrors of life. if i had the energy easily i could write a 1000 page book about how bad and evil life and this world are.

 

[frayed]

Some people seem to have all the luck in the world, right? I didn't even know a life needed meaning or purpose until I became depressed and was forced to admit mine had neither. You could say I was content in my ignorance. Now that I've peered into the dark corners of this thing called life, I just can't seem to look away. Yesterday I was reading about Mainlander, and realised here was a philosopher I could actually respect. But, what does it matter? I'd be feeding worms soon. Knowledge is fucking useless.

 

[ididnotconsent]

I had a psychic tell me I came to learn the lesson of bravery and to feel what it's like to have no control and try to come back from it. I failed this lesson

I wanted to see one to but i'm such a skeptic and think it's serious bullshido, but i might go for fun one day.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't think life has a fixed meaning but I believe people can define their own very strong meanings which will be powerful enough for them to believe in. Or coversely, feel certain that everything is meaningless. I think we all have the right to follow what makes sense to us.

The very effect of the question on people fascinates me though. Some people seem driven mad by not having an established, fixed meaning. Others seem so unbothered that they don't seem to have even considered the question! Maybe some people are better at accepting life as it is than others.

I find it's generally disgruntled people who seem so annoyed that there doesn't seem to be a clear meaning. It makes sense though. I expect we'd rather know our suffering was for some purpose.

Life felt easier when I felt like I had more purpose in life. Now I'm more just relunctantly still following the same path but with a whole lot less drive.

I'm also pro-choice when it comes to suicide. I wouldn't expect all people to feel the same way. There again, being so cynical, it suprises me that more people don't seem to be suicidal! Life's hard for a lot of people.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

Life itself is a miracle of the universe: a meaningless chance event, born of the blind indifference of matter that, in an outcome-insensitive act, had produced consciousness and with it the anguish of being aware one was alive. Nature is good or evil: simply a process of consuming, of destroying, to keep the purposeless machine moving. All flowers will die, all animals breathe only to choke, all loves bloom only to burst on schedule. All life is merely an animal puppet show sustained by unseen strings controlled by an unseen puppeteer. My life is the same, too: no more noble or more pitiful than any other. I do not revere it or revile it; I merely observe it the way you observe a burning fire that is reducing a vacant house to ashes: futile to inquire why it burns, wiser to acknowledge that everything will be consumed by ash. To be, to me, is not to hope but to see: to see that beauty is a weak parenthesis between horror, and that consciousness is a wound which bleeds thought until it dies out. The sole consistency that still remains with me now is to concur with the absurd without trying to console it.

 

[Pale_Rider]

I dont think of such things. I did at one time. I could for an answer, but to what end?

 

[FuneralCry]

I see existence as the most dreadful, abomination that just causes harm and suffering until non-existence takes away all anyway and no matter what I'd prefer to not exist than suffer so unnecessarily.

For me non-existence is just the only peace in this existence so torturous and futile where there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel, I find it so deeply undesirable to exist in every way and I'd never wish for any of this rather all I want is to never exist again.

Only non-existence can solve everything for me in this existence I always saw as a mistake and I find it the most terrible tragedy how this existence was even imposed causing all this harm and suffering, all I want is to permanently cease existing, if it's up to me I'd choose to erase this existence so it's like I never suffered at all.

 

[divinemistress36]

I wanted to see one to but i'm such a skeptic and think it's serious bullshido, but i might go for fun one day.

It's fun if you don't take it to serious

 

[Namelesa]

Only meaning I see from general life is to avoid having a bad life and/or to maybe lessen the suffering of others and benefit them which is the same as my view on my personal life. I just find life to be worse than the average person and feel like I make too many mistakes and disadvantage others so its better if I am dead. If someone has a good or neutral life then life can be equal to death in my opinion.

 

[Permanoir]

I do believe that life doesn't have meaning and that it just is. It's therefore easy to fall into despair if you don't cling to coping mechanisms and attachments and I guess suicide can be seen as a natural death resulting from spiritual causes.
Some people align well with the life they got, while some like me definitely had difficulty in feeling like they were even born in the right life.

I don't believe everyone is better of dead but people should definitely be allowed to end their lives when they wish and peaceful methods shouldn't be restricted.

 

[jazzcat621]

I think that the meaning of life comes from what we have and what we make of it. Not only ourselves, but how others make of it and how it affects us. Something that I constantly crosses my mind while contemplating CTBing is how people are so quick to anger and hate. People assume malice where ignorance and mistake is a reasonable explanation. People are more ready to push others down rather than help others up. It affects us all, especially so those of us who have hearts that couldn't do what others do to survive like that. I think others can certainly find reason to live, but for me and others like me, wishing for death is a reasonable response.

 

[BradGuy123]

That's an interesting perspective. May I ask what drew you to this forum then? Are you trying to learn spiritual lessons from this place?

I am doing research to see how I would CTB if it became infeasible for me to work in my current profession for the rest of my career and unable to transition into another field. I would have to CTB if I were going to lose everything.

 

[FadingSnowFake]

I don't see it as self-hatred, nor do I see life in general as meaningless. Before I found something worth being here for, or more someone who made living worthwhile, nothing really mattered. I was floating around, in meaningless jobs, never really happy, not really thinking about the meaning of life. Then I found someone who I could open up to and wanted to share everything with. When that went wrong, I believe I fucked up the opportunity I had for a meaningful rest of my life. Now, nothing makes sense without this person.

I realised too late life's purpose (for me) is to share whatever time we have with loved ones. Maybe because I didn't grow up knowing what love is, I didn't know better when someone actually loved me. Now, instead of the destination (goal/purpose), I think the company is what counts. Because the journey's start is so random and if we are lucky to meet a special person on the way, the road doesn't really matter. Of course, the cruelty of the world and humankind, can make the journey a road of horrors, especially when we are alone or worse, when people around us do us harm.

Alone in a beautiful place means nothing when empty inside, and in the end (the final destination) there will be nothing anyways. So, imo it's up to us to attach whatever we perceive as meaning to life (or not), and if we don't find meaning, or lose what we gave meaning to, life remains or becomes meaningless. I completely understand how circumstances can lead people to wanting to ctb. There is plenty of wrong in the world, and then if whatever meaning there may have been, is destroyed, life just becomes unbearable.

 

[r.m.216]

A lot of people don't have issues with relationships or work or anger and want a family.

I have nothing to enjoy, I cannot handle any of the aforementioned.

This place is pointless for me and I'm of no use for this place.

 

[Alexandra_]

I hate my life and want it to end as soon as possible. For happy people, life has meaning, they just enjoy it. But my life is meaningless, I just prolong my suffering day after day. If a person wants to live, then let him live. But for me, death is the only way out

 

[PI3.14]

It varies from one person to another.

Life not having objective meaning doesn't mean that it's necessary intrinsically bad.

My life is shit, but doesn't mean everyone's life is. I, for example, wouldn't be here if my life was different.