What happens if you only occlude jugulars?

[Walilamdzii]

Not carotid arteries..? I had always thought you would aim to press both, but if carotids take up to 10kg then I guess not.

• Jugular veins (2kg)
• Carotid arteries (2.5 – 10kg, or 250mmHg), a scenario not normally seen in manual strangulation (Puschel et al 2004)
• Airways (8 – 12kg)
• Vertebral arteries (35kg)
• Loss of consciousness in chokeholds is thought to be at approximately ten seconds
• Rossen et al 1943 states that loss of consciousness occurs in five to eleven seconds where there has been carotid and vertebral artery compression, whilst Sauvageau and Racette (2007) state that loss of consciousness in hanging occurs at approximately 13 seconds

NB Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neckholds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds.


Read more: https://forensicmed.webnode.page/pathology/pressure-to-the-neck/

 

[busybee]

How too get rid of head exploding feeling partial hanging

In my partial hanging test I felt a very strong head exploding feeling which I've also heard others on this site talk about. Is this normal and indicative of it working or is this due to a mistake I might be making?

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[Aisley]

Your head can't get rid of its blood, and pressure builds up. Your eyeballs hurt. You can hear your pulse, and your pulse hurts. It's not ideal.

The carotids are just behind the jugulars. It's almost instant, and worth whatever you need to get those extra pounds. I'm thinking it says up to 10 because every body is different, and sometimes veins and arteries are slippery things. But it just might be easier than you're thinking. I mean, hopefully.

 

[corazon]

For the same reasons @Aisley described above, having both the jugulars and carotids occluded is ideal. The carotid arteries are responsible for providing blood to the brain. The jugular veins are responsible for draining the blood from the brain.

So you can imagine, if only the jugulars are occluded, blood keeps flowing in (via the carotids) with nowhere to go... Consequently causing pressure build-up and a whole load of discomfort in the head. This can still lead to death when prolonged, but it's way less peaceful.

Compressing the carotids (and jugulars) almost completely starves the brain of oxygenated blood (save for tiny emergency blood supplies which won't sabotage CTB from my understanding).

 

[Walilamdzii]

The problem I'm having is how to know I'm generating enough pressure with the ligature, I could understand the concept of 11lb pressure if there was a weight being placed on me but I'm having trouble with the concept of 11lb of pressure as it relates to something tying around the neck.

Yeah I saw some autopsy photos were the eyes had kind of burst, I guess that would be more likely if carotids weren't occluded.

Thanks both!

 

[corazon]

The problem I'm having is how to know I'm generating enough pressure with the ligature, I could understand the concept of 11lb pressure if there was a weight being placed on me but I'm having trouble with the concept of 11lb of pressure as it relates to something tying around the neck.

Yeah I saw some autopsy photos were the eyes had kind of burst, I guess that would be more likely if carotids weren't occluded.

Thanks both!

Are you thinking of partial hanging? I have managed to compress my carotids successfully before and it's just been through trial and error. I'm sure figuring out the correct pressure and being able to apply that every time would be handy but I can't really help with that (I'm clueless).

I tried many times only getting my jugulars and/or trachea before I finally occluded my carotids. I've managed to do so again on two other occasions. I think it's about finding the right spot and really leaning into your body weight. Such technicalities don't apply to full suspension other than to potentially speed things up/make things more comfortable.

If you crack the code for ligature pressure on the neck, I'm sure it would be grateful information for the rest of us considering partial. All the best :)