what do you think of God?

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Tell Me All Your Thoughts On God



Seriously though … sometimes I think there is a higher being … other times, I don't know. I definitely thing the religious freaks use it against everyone who doesn't believe the same as they do.

 

[DoNotLet2]

What if God DIDN'T make you autistic? He knew your soul before you were formed, but the pollution, epigenetic changes in your genes, etc. Led to autism? The world is evil; it is our free will to do good or evil. Perhaps the world needed YOU.

Wait wait. Are you serious or are you using sarcasm or are you just trying to annoy me? I guess the last answer is the right answer. I think the right answer is just to ignore your comment. I mean everybody knows I would be much more useful to the world if I was neurotypical that's a fact lol.

@Underscore I should educate myself on that topic eventually.

 

[AcornUnderground]

I used to assume that there was a higher power and a reason for all of this - after all, the world really is full of magic and beauty that can leave anyone in awe of its power. When life is good, it's easy not to see the suffering, the bad things that happen to good people, things that just don't make sense if anyone was dictating anything. Now I don't understand how there can be any purpose to non-sensical suffering, I can't imagine such cruelty being intentional, much less by a God. I'm left assuming that this world is an incredibly complex place - still beautiful and awe inspiring but that we are likely energy manifested into ourselves, a blip in a vast universe for a wrinkle of time. As my time nears an end, it really breaks my heart.

 

[Broken Chimera]

The Bible is foremost a narrative arc, with God gradually becoming less restrictive and more accepting from OT to NT as people show themselves unwilling or unable to obey his commands and lapse into idolatry and other sins.

Taking the OT out one story at a time to prove God is a monster destroys the beautiful narrative we are shown by the whole.

The Quran says that it is the third and final testimony God is sending, because he sent the prophets and man mocked them, he sent Jesus and man killed him, yet he is still trying to communicate with us.

Now picture yourself trying time and again to explain to your dog (as I do) that it can't eat chocolate or it will surely die; yet every time I look away it is trying to snatch a brownie or candy bar from somewhere or someone in the house.

Do I love the dog? Of course. Do I wish I could make it understand that what it's doing is wrong? Of course! Do I punish it? Yes, I take the chocolate away and talk sternly to it.

Now imagine a vastly superior being trying to share similar precepts with us, who are developed enough to think we "know better" and "God is just for superstitious cavemen."

Would you let your dog starve? Would you let your dog suffer in pain? That's what God did to humanity. You haven't seen people dying in pain or suffering from a illness that they couldn't prevent? You haven't seen people digging through the garbage trying to eat? You haven't seen a child crying because of those reasons or because they've been abused? Where was he to help the children at least? Don't tell me he loves us but leaves the world like this. If he existed then prayer would actually work, what's your answer to that?

He cares more about what people do in their personal life than what people do to each other. That's why a rapist can get a straight ticket to heaven while a generally good person can go to hell. I'll take hell over being around that demiurge or his followers.

Forgot to add: The Quran is just the other side to the same nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

There need not be a reason for anything, save that which we choose there to be. It's the choice that has value. And may be of more value precisely because it is individual.
Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer.

 

[Matthias_k]

God is a tool, and the outcome of a tool depends entirely on whose hands it's in. Give my mother a knife, she'll make you a wonderful cake. Give Donald a knife, well...Poor God, I am not a believer but it seems like it would be a perfect time for a little Armageddon.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Well I think I've seen the Horsemen kicking around the last few months, so hang onto her hat.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Wait wait. Are you serious or are you using sarcasm or are you just trying to annoy me? I guess the last answer is the right answer. I think the right answer is just to ignore your comment. I mean everybody knows I would be much more useful to the world if I was neurotypical that's a fact lol.

@Underscore I should educate myself on that topic eventually.

I'm not trying to annoy you or be sarcastic. I'd be more useful if I didn't have asthma and a genetic clotting disorder. But I don't think God made me that way to fuck with me. We all have a race to run, with different challenges.

Would you let your dog starve? Would you let your dog suffer in pain? That's what God did to humanity. You haven't seen people dying in pain or suffering from a illness that they couldn't prevent? You haven't seen people digging through the garbage trying to eat? You haven't seen a child crying because of those reasons or because they've been abused? Where was he to help the children at least? Don't tell me he loves us but leaves the world like this. If he existed then prayer would actually work, what's your answer to that?

He cares more about what people do in their personal life than what people do to each other. That's why a rapist can get a straight ticket to heaven while a generally good person can go to hell. I'll take hell over being around that demiurge or his followers.

Forgot to add: The Quran is just the other side to the same nonsense.

Based on your use of the demiurge, i see you have some familiarity with gnosticism.

No i wouldnt let my dog starve or suffer in pain; however, if the world truly is run by the devil, some of that is going to happen.

Who ever said a rapist can get a straight ticket to heaven anyway?

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I'm not trying to annoy you or be sarcastic. I'd be more useful if I didn't have asthma and a genetic clotting disorder. But I don't think God made me that way to fuck with me. We all have a race to run, with different challenges.

I do believe suffering can teach us things, but only up to a point. At some point, the only response to being endlessly flogged is to turn your back.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I do believe suffering can teach us things, but only up to a point. At some point, the only response to being endlessly flogged is to turn your back.

i am merely saying what if suffering is NOT put on us by God, but by our generally fucked up and polluted world?

Cancer for example. Plenty of environtoxins persist that you can get multigenerational effects from that aren't God. If your great grandfather was a lineman and contacted too many PCBs in transformer work and his genetics were altered and passed down so that 10 year old you got leukemia, did God do that?

The Talmud states that suffering comes with reward, and God only punishes a man excessively if he can no longer read the.Torah as a result. I dont agree with that. But the concept of some kind of divinity that I try but fail to fully understand?

I believe that to be true.

 

[DoNotLet2]

I'm not trying to annoy you or be sarcastic. I'd be more useful if I didn't have asthma and a genetic clotting disorder. But I don't think God made me that way to fuck with me. We all have a race to run, with different challenges.

Well then please stop. What is that logic even? Don't justify the God. Yes the world makes us suffer but God does nothing to prevent it! He built the world in a way that someone always have to suffer endlessly. You have to murder to eat. Isn't it insane? Why would a loving God do that?
EDIT: BTW, I was always told that suicide is a heavy sin. How do you feel on a forum where (almost, maybe just the majority) everybody is a sinner? Do you like it?
EDIT 2: I don't want to be mean but I dislike your logic. I threw Christianity away from my mind when I was told that suicide is a sin I was like "wtf".

 

[Klee]

I think.. he has a lot of explaining to do.

 

[DeathNoot]

I'm agnostic. Logically I can't believe that one particular religion is true, because that doesn't make sense to me (how you can just pick one and say this god is real and all the others are fake). But I don't know shit about what happens after death so...

 

[Broken Chimera]

Based on your use of the demiurge, i see you have some familiarity with gnosticism.

No i wouldnt let my dog starve or suffer in pain; however, if the world truly is run by the devil, some of that is going to happen.

Who ever said a rapist can get a straight ticket to heaven anyway?

I know something about gnosticism. But it's all apart of the same nonsense. The devil can't do anything without Yawyeh allowing it. So the devil is doing God's will. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. That doesn't look like a free ticket to you?

 

[DoNotLet2]

I'm agnostic. Logically I can't believe that one particular religion is true, because that doesn't make sense to me (how you can just pick one and say this god is real and all the others are fake). But I don't know shit about what happens after death so...

Same I'm agnostic but I think that Christian religion is totally impossible. But there are a few thousands religion out there in the world which get ignored.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

I know something about gnosticism. But it's all apart of the same nonsense. The devil can't do anything without Yawyeh allowing it. So the devil is doing God's will. John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. That doesn't look like a free ticket to you?

The rapist must of course repent truly. And that is in someone's heart; i cannot judge. Does he believe in Jesus or is he trying to get parole? God knows.

Ultimately I am not here to make apologetics for any religion but to say that:

1. I believe there is a Supreme Being
2. I don't pretend to understand much more than that. I know enough to say that all I know for sure is, I don't know enough to say for sure.

Remaining open to any religion harms no one.

Well then please stop. What is that logic even? Don't justify the God. Yes the world makes us suffer but God does nothing to prevent it! He built the world in a way that someone always have to suffer endlessly. You have to murder to eat. Isn't it insane? Why would a loving God do that?
EDIT: BTW, I was always told that suicide is a heavy sin. How do you feel on a forum where (almost, maybe just the majority) everybody is a sinner? Do you like it?
EDIT 2: I don't want to be mean but I dislike your logic. I threw Christianity away from my mind when I was told that suicide is a sin I was like "wtf".

1. Suicide may be a sin, may not be. I know that the Bible HAS been heavily and selectively edited by numerous parties thru history that may have had a vested interest in making suicide appear sinful.
2. You're not being mean at all and please don't think I am being mean either or apologizing for God. Its hard to transmit tone through a message board; I'd rather have a beer with you and chat to be honest.
All I am saying is: I believe in God. Whether you call him Christian God; Allah; Ain Soph, you name it, I am not discounting the idea of a Supreme Deity. I'd consider myself Christian but there are many tenets that dovetail with other religions so by trying my best to adhere to a good life while believing a God exists, I certainly hope any God would take notice - i.e. don't condemn me Allah because I was raised Christian.

Im not trying to convince you to be Lutheran or Baptist. Just be open to the concept of a God and see where it takes you. Framing is crucial: i can look at a glass as half full, half empty, or it doesnt matter bc its filled with warm piss, and my reading and understanding will be colored accordingly.

It has been nice talking with you. And I would welcome anyone to PM me if they have questions. I'm not a Jehovahs Witness, Im not going to convert you. I have just spent enough time in study to believe that something created everything.

 

[I’mDone]

If God stopped anything then we wouldn't be human. We wouldn't have free will.

Your argument has been proven incompatible with logical thought many times.

It sucks but it's the truth.

WE DID THIS.
Not God.

Ahahaha hahaha! My argument has been proven incompatible with logical thought?

Says the person who wants to convince me that there's a being that can't be seen, heard or felt inhabiting some ethereal plane, whose existence is only "proven" by a number of books which all differ from each other (and I'm *just* talking about the Christian gospels here, leave alone other religions)

Then of course, one major branch of that religion only came into being because Henry the 8th wanted rid of one of his wives. So he basically invented a new version of divine truth. So was he god incarnate? A prophet? Or just a man using his influence to frighten people into believing his version.

Religion is a human construct to explain the unexplainable, and to oppress and subjugate people.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Same I'm agnostic but I think that Christian religion is totally impossible. But there are a few thousands religion out there in the world which get ignored.

Interestingly there are many similarities between them. One thought I have often had is that God might communicate with people where they are and in a way they can understand.

If you give a speech at the UN, it is translated for each language to hear. It is quite possible God felt the East would respond to Hinduism; the Jews to Torah; he Native Americans to their Gods and nature. All worshiping the same God; all blind men trying to describe an elephant based on which part of it they are currently touching.

Ahahaha hahaha! My argument has been proven incompatible with logical thought?

Says the person who wants to convince me that there's a being that can't be seen, heard or felt inhabiting some ethereal plane, whose existence is only "proven" by a number of books which all differ from each other (and I'm *just* talking about the Christian gospels here, leave alone other religions)

Then of course, one major branch of that religion only came into being because Henry the 8th wanted rid of one of his wives. So he basically invented a new version of divine truth. So was he god incarnate? A prophet? Or just a man using his influence to frighten people into believing his version.

Religion is a human construct to explain the unexplainable, and to oppress and subjugate people.

You have to go back further than that my friend. The Bible has definitely been tampered with by man, man with agendas. Masons, Rosicrucians, Romans, Jews, pagans. None of us are reading the complete Bible either; we only know what has survived.

I am reading the Hebrew Bible based on a different set of texts than the KJV, which was edited by Francis Bacon and 46 others, and no one ever thought to ask Bacon what changes he may have made! Bacon, a Rosicrucian and cynical genius who may or may not have been Shakespeare.

There are also layers of allegory and symbolism to unpack; merely taking the Bible at first impression paints an absurd picture as you point out.

I'll leave you with this: Song of Solomon. Seen by most as a randy love poem...were you aware that it encodes the processes of alchemy as they were believed to be performed?

 

[DoNotLet2]

Interestingly there are many similarities between them. One thought I have often had is that God might communicate with people where they are and in a way they can understand.

If you give a speech at the UN, it is translated for each language to hear. It is quite possible God felt the East would respond to Hinduism; the Jews to Torah; he Native Americans to their Gods and nature. All worshiping the same God; all blind men trying to describe an elephant based on which part of it they are currently touching.

I was taught that the discussion get more interesting as they are getting more precise so. I mean in those other religions God isn't necessarily omnipotent or good. For example Zeus is a fuckin sadist so he would be fine.
I mean there are countless religions that people haven't made. I think if a religion is right then it's a religion no one thought of. Religions are basically guessing maybe with some hints. Why do you think it's an elephant? Why can't it be a cat or a unicorn? That's what I mean. We don't know whether it's an elephant or a cat or a unicorn or maybe a snake.

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

i like to believe in a loving god that takes people out of their misery on earth and brings them to a better place when in reality i know that is doubtful

 

[GoBack]

i like to believe in a loving god that takes people out of their misery on earth and brings them to a better place when in reality i know that is doubtful

Who knows, that's a nice thing to believe anyway

 

[ghostgirl1995]

I feel like he's fake af

 

[TheRaul95]

God, please, forgive me. My only wish is to have eternal peace and happiness...:)

 

[Whited Sepulchre]

God's not real (esp. the Christian one) and yes, god can just suck it.

 

[lanitoasmr]

I'm agnostic so, I don't believe in religions

 

[SSlostallhope]

A method of control

 

[Broken Chimera]

The rapist must of course repent truly. And that is in someone's heart; i cannot judge. Does he believe in Jesus or is he trying to get parole? God knows.

My main point is how are the victims supposed to feel when a evil person gets off while a decent person will burn in hell for simple non-belief or how a victim supposed to feel when they see their abuser in heaven but not their family. Christians never can give a real answer to that.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I refuse to believe in a supreme being who would create a phenomenon as unjustifiably evil and cruel as suffering. So, I reject god.

 

[Living sucks]

I was always on the fence about God and whether or not this was real. And once I got sick and faced with death I reflected on 3 experiences in my life that were undeniable proof that God is real, but I didn't get it at the time. And now it's too late.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

"God" is like the toothfairy or Santa Claus..