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Krash1990

Krash1990

Student
May 31, 2020
110
I think if God ever did exist, he's definitely dead. I see no evidence of divine intervention, and nothing that can't be explained by chance
Nowhere does any religion claim divine intervention in everyday life...
 
Broken Chimera

Broken Chimera

The abyss also gazes into you
May 27, 2019
972
How about germs and there typical lifespan?
How about gravity?
How about underground aqueducts?
How about dinosaurs?
How about blood circulating in our bodies?
The Bible gave you the answers to these questions?
Nowhere does any religion claim divine intervention in everyday life...
Then why does Jesus say ask anything in his name? What does he mean by that if he didn't mean divine intervention?
 
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Krash1990

Krash1990

Student
May 31, 2020
110
The Bible gave you the answers to these questions?
These and many more.
The Bible has things in it that would blow the minds of those that claim they study it and yet haven't looked past face value.

I went from an "atheist" to a believer because of the science.

Idk what God is, but there's something to the message we have that can't be ignored by any intelligent person with out a grudge towards their own idea of God.
 
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Philosykos

Philosykos

Student
May 30, 2020
196
I don't have an opinion on God. My opinion on some of his followers, on the other hand, is another matter entirely.
 
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Broken Chimera

Broken Chimera

The abyss also gazes into you
May 27, 2019
972
These and many more.
The Bible has things in it that would blow the minds of those that claim they study it and yet haven't looked past face value.

I went from an "atheist" to a believer because of the science.

Idk what God is, but there's something to the message we have that can't be ignored by any intelligent person with out a grudge towards their own idea of God.
I looked at it enough to know a few things. Yawyeh is a genocidal narcissistic liar who got his kicks off of killing people for nonbelief. If it were the truth, it wouldn't be so many versions of the "truth". If it were the truth the Council of Niacea wouldn't have taken so many books out of the Bible. That's just a few but the point is that people put the Bible together and quite poorly I might add.
 
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NextBusLeaving

Specialist
Jun 24, 2019
334
Do you plan to CTB or are you here for other reasons (guess your username implies it)? What's your view on god and suicide considering he probably doesn't want you to do it?
Hanging out for my sons and elderly parenrs, but yes I did plan to CTB and have multiple methods available.

And I think God would forgive me but I'm not 100% sure with all the theology I have read where suicides stand. Islam for example prohibits it specifically - yet professes to be from the Abrahamic God of Judaism and Christianity. So I grapple with that.
 
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Crumbledank

Member
May 14, 2020
44
No you're not..

How about germs and there typical lifespan?
How about gravity?
How about underground aqueducts?
How about dinosaurs?
How about blood circulating in our bodies?

Again, you know nothing about the Bible but opinions of stories.

You haven't STUDIED it. You've read some and came to a conclusion based on your opinion.

That's not an atheist. That's ignorance.

If God stopped anything then we wouldn't be human. We wouldn't have free will.

Your argument has been proven incompatible with logical thought many times.

It sucks but it's the truth.

WE DID THIS.
Not God.

God is nonsense. Functioning adults shouldn't be believing in ancient myths.

You speak as if we know that we have free will. We don't actually know that. We get the impression of having free will, but that's not necessarily free will.
 
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NextBusLeaving

Specialist
Jun 24, 2019
334
These and many more.
The Bible has things in it that would blow the minds of those that claim they study it and yet haven't looked past face value.

I went from an "atheist" to a believer because of the science.

Idk what God is, but there's something to the message we have that can't be ignored by any intelligent person with out a grudge towards their own idea of God.
EVERY society EVER back to the earliest records has believed in some kind of divinity. I don't know whether the differences ascribed to this are the result of the proverbial blind men trying to name the elephant or not - but there is something to it.

My perceptions as a Christian are probably not accurate either, but this doesn't surprise me. Whatever God exists is far beyond any human comprehension.
 
GoodPersonEffed

GoodPersonEffed

Brevity is my middle name, but my name was TL
Jan 11, 2020
6,728
What do I think of God?

If God exists and is who people think he is, then he clearly doesn't think much of me. I don't think much of him either. Seems to be a power-hungry, self-absorbed jerk. He should pray to me for guidance.
 
Lost in a Dream

Lost in a Dream

He/him - Metal head
Feb 22, 2020
1,703
If God stopped anything then we wouldn't be human. We wouldn't have free will.

Your argument has been proven incompatible with logical thought many times.

It sucks but it's the truth.

WE DID THIS.
Not God.

This looks like more victim blaming BS. The concept of free will isn't supported by the Bible, in fact, it supports the opposite idea. It basically says in black and white that all people are evil. It says that it is our nature to be that way. How can we have free will if the Bible says our evil nature is programmed into us? Even if we did have free will, it seems like you are trying to say that abusive and narcissistic people can do whatever they please, regardless of the effects it has on the victims of their abuse.

As you can clearly see in the posts of MANY members on here who are victims of this sort of thing, they now suffer from PTSD and other mental health issues that influence their way of thinking and even their behavior. For people that find themselves in this kind of situation, there is no way they can have free will if their actions, thought patterns, and behavior are influenced by things beyond their control. If free will does exist, perhaps your god only cares about honoring the free will of the abusers, rather than the victims? If that is the case, then your god must be one twisted SOB.

No, their argument hasn't been proven incompatible with logic. You just said it was and called that truth.

These and many more.
The Bible has things in it that would blow the minds of those that claim they study it and yet haven't looked past face value.

But yet you haven't named a single one. When people on our side of the fence look this up, all we ever seem to find are creationists making shit up so that they can pretend that their mythology is scientific. It's facepalm inducing, but certainly not mind blowing.
 
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Good4Nothing

Good4Nothing

Unlovable
May 8, 2020
1,865
No you're not..

How about germs and there typical lifespan?
How about gravity?
How about underground aqueducts?
How about dinosaurs?
How about blood circulating in our bodies?

Again, you know nothing about the Bible but opinions of stories.

You haven't STUDIED it. You've read some and came to a conclusion based on your opinion.

That's not an atheist. That's ignorance.

You're as full of shit as your shitty book.
You haven't "studied" the bible. You're just parroting Ray Comfort and Ken Hamm bullshit.
 
DoNotLet2

DoNotLet2

Wizard
Oct 14, 2019
684
I'm autistic as well, the stigma is real. I genuinely feel most people want us dead.
That's what hurts me. Yes autism makes life itself harder but you can work on yourself. You can get better. But many of autistic problems are problems with society. So to fix the issue the society must change for us which is not very likely to say the least.
 
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Lost in a Dream

Lost in a Dream

He/him - Metal head
Feb 22, 2020
1,703
You're as full of shit as your shitty book.
You haven't "studied" the bible. You're just parroting Ray Comfort and Ken Hamm bullshit.

It's interesting that there are many atheists who were once pastors who knew the Bible in and out, but yet, they no longer believe in it any more (which is why Recovering from Religion and the Clergy Project exist). If atheism is caused by not studying the Bible enough, then Krash must know more about it than any of those people, otherwise, they wouldn't have left the faith.

Maybe we will have our minds blown soon. Who knows? Hopefully we are not disappointed.
 
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soda_pressed

Experienced
Apr 8, 2019
231
That's what hurts me. Yes autism makes life itself harder but you can work on yourself. You can get better. But many of autistic problems are problems with society. So to fix the issue the society must change for us which is not very likely to say the least.
I've tried working on myself for more than 10 years. I've tried being myself, and I've tried masking myself. People tell me they "love me" yet they blatantly ignore me.

I've got a whole host of other mental problems because of autism. BPD (because of trauma related bullying). depression, anxiety, and possibly CPTSD.
There really isn't a place for me in this world. I'm leaving next month
 
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Jean Améry

Enlightened
Mar 17, 2019
1,098
How about germs and there typical lifespan?
How about gravity?
How about underground aqueducts?
How about dinosaurs?
How about blood circulating in our bodies?

Again, you know nothing about the Bible but opinions of stories.

You haven't STUDIED it. You've read some and came to a conclusion based on your opinion.

That's not an atheist. That's ignorance.

'Gravity' wasn't discovered recently: things have been falling to the ground forever. The laws of gravity however were discoverd by sir Isaac Newton in 1687. I have read the bible: nowhere did I find the equations Newton came up with. In fact I'm pretty sure the bible contains no equations or formula's at all.

The fact that giant animals once roamed the earth is probably not a recent discovery as I'm sure in the past people did come across their bones from time to time. The theory of evolution however was proposed by Charles Darwin in 1859. Do tell me where in the bible the principle of evolution is explained or at least mentioned. I'm pretty sure the opposite is true: the order in which plants and animals were supposedly created (Genesis) as well as the timeline is completely wrong according to current scientific knowledge.

I know for a fact there's a lot of shedding of innocent blood in the bible but I don't remember any mention of the circulation of blood throughout the body in the bible. Do enlighten me.

Instead of attacking the person you disagree with (which is a logical fallacy called ad hominem) it would be far more useful to actually support your thesis'. Insulting someone achieves nothing, try convincing them by actual evidence. It's a tried and true method, ironically employed rigorously by modern science.

Since you seem to be such an expert do tell us what he bible says about germs, their lifespan and underground aquaducts. I'd gladly learn from you.
 
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Good4Nothing

Good4Nothing

Unlovable
May 8, 2020
1,865
If free will does exist, perhaps your god only cares about honoring the free will of the abusers, rather than the victims? If that is the case, then your god must be one twisted SOB.

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DoNotLet2

DoNotLet2

Wizard
Oct 14, 2019
684
I've tried working on myself for more than 10 years. I've tried being myself, and I've tried masking myself. People tell me they "love me" yet they blatantly ignore me.

I've got a whole host of other mental problems because of autism. BPD (because of trauma related bullying). depression, anxiety, and possibly CPTSD.
There really isn't a place for me in this world. I'm leaving next month
I haven't been yet diagnosed for that long and I don't know what masking is (I don't get the concept simply) but very much relatable. Let's cry together and hug each other. You know that's what I mean. We can't make ourselves fine if the society is the not fine thing.
 
Erdapfel

Erdapfel

I am a german potato
Feb 19, 2020
48
I think nobody can know what God really is. I assume that when I see acts of love and truth, it is a kind of divinity that shines through people. For me, God is when people can see beyond their limits. I believe that when we recognize the meaning of unconditional love and selflove, we have understood a big message.

However, many psychopaths take advantage of the gullibility of sleeping sheep to abuse them for their perfidious purposes.

I also believe that the apocalypse is our only hope. This matrix needs to be completly deleted, overwritten and rebooted in an absolute different way.
 
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Epsilon0

Enlightened
Dec 28, 2019
1,874
You ask a valid question on a suicide forum, but I can't, for the life of me, keep a straight face when reading the comments, let alone write a serious answer.

But in true SS-fashion, I will add my humble contribution to the chorus of this Greek tragedy.

God is nothing more than a figment of imagination, the product of our weakness and fear of death. If god does exist and is indeed involved in our doings, then god is the greatest underachiever and biggest bore ever, and I could do a better job with my eyes closed and my hands tied.
 
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soda_pressed

Experienced
Apr 8, 2019
231
I haven't been yet diagnosed for that long and I don't know what masking is (I don't get the concept simply) but very much relatable. Let's cry together and hug each other. You know that's what I mean. We can't make ourselves fine if the society is the not fine thing.
Down for that. And yeah I agree with you - I feel like the suicide rate of autistic people would go down massively if neurotypical people were more accepting. But apparently we're the ones with no empathy :meh:
 
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DoNotLet2

Wizard
Oct 14, 2019
684
Down for that. And yeah I agree with you - I feel like the suicide rate of autistic people would go down massively if neurotypical people were more accepting. But apparently we're the ones with no empathy :meh:
Yeah that's why I hate society.
 
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Jumper Geo

Jumper Geo

Life's a bitch and then you die.
Feb 23, 2020
2,910
There may be a God we will all find out one day, there may be rebirth but we will never be the person we are now, there may be nothing in which case that's it game over we had our moment to shine, but as for the bible I've read it, in both my schools I was taught by nuns and it makes complete sense to me, in as far as Man and Women, in the UK Women were only giving the vote in 1918 so if you go back to when the bible was written, Woman wasn't really well thought of so in the bible we pray to our father = Man, the worse person in history was Eve = Woman who ate the forbidden apple and doomed us all to Mental Health problems and Hell on Earth, surely to put there point across, you would have thought an apple would be bad for you but it's really good for you and that saying comes to mind "an Apple a day keeps the doctor away"

If you google, China rewrites Bible, you will see they have just recently rewritten it to aid there own values and in 100 years time believers will swear by that bible, how many times has that happened. If you go on YouTube type in pedophile Priests there are 1000's of cases and Nuns as well, now you would have thought they would know better as they are Gods servants on Earth so why don't they believe in Hell.
 
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