Welcome Pro Lifers

[Jean4]

They don't want to learn or understand. They are the moral majority they want to control.
If they did want to understand they would chat openly with us...

HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.... no one will insult you or attack you ask a question speak to us

They certainly want to hear from me. I'm just one person. They now have the opportunity to ask questions from everyone.

 

[one4all]

Here is their big chance. To have an open discussion.

If they don't take us up on the offer, then they really aren't interested in learning about suicide.

I highly doubt they want an open discussion. That would not work in their favor. I'm more towards they will continue to try and use sneak tactics to extract exactly what they want. PM'img people

 

[Carina]

They don't want to learn or understand. They are the moral majority they want to control.
If they did want to understand they would chat openly with us...

HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.... no one will insult you or attack you ask a question speak to us

Some are really vocal about how 'we' are 'silent' and 'refuse to talk' to them though--which is really ironic.

 

[Broken Chimera]

They certainly want to hear from me. I'm just one person. They now have the opportunity to ask questions from everyone.

The pro lifers are cowards. You know they don't want a debate. They want to erase this forum. They know they can't win a debate so they stay hidden.

 

[ScorpiusDragon]

If the pro-lifers and reporters want to have an adult, intellectual conversation regarding suicide... let's do it in the open. Not PMs or Facebook.

That's the thing. They'll never want an adult, intellectual conversation regarding suicide. Any rational and logical argument that one might give will be met with "It gets better," "Suicide is selfish," "Life is a gift," or some combination of the three.

 

[PoisonedJuliet]

You go Jean!

 

[HadEnough1974]

Correct. Which is why I am calling them out to have a rational discussion.

Rational discussion with irrational people? People who's minds are already made? Why waste your time and energy with them?

@Jean4 , please spend your time providing support to the community, it's what you do best. We love you for that. Picking a public fight with pro-life people won't do anyone any good. That's my 2 cents.

 

[Jean4]

Rational discussion with irrational people? People who's minds are already made? Why waste your time and energy with them?

@Jean4 , please spend your time providing support to the community, it's what you do best. We love you for that. Picking a public fight with pro-life people won't do anyone any good. That's my 2 cents.

People here have told me they wanted to try to have a discussion. Here is their opportunity instead of PMing me or contacting members on Facebook.

I'm not afraid to face them in public.Members want to answer questions.

If they are serious about the topic, I am giving them an opportunity to learn. If they blow this opportunity, then they really don't care about the issue.

 

[Carina]

Rational discussion with irrational people? People who's minds are already made? Why waste your time and energy with them?

@Jean4 , please spend your time providing support to the community, it's what you do best. We love you for that. Picking a public fight with pro-life people won't do anyone any good. That's my 2 cents.

The catch is they're going outside the forum too--they just happen to read this non-stop.

It'd be like (example, not reality!) someone coming to or house, but if you answer the door or phone, they'd hang up/run off--so you have to respond or do something at the place you have your hobby as it's the only place they read. BUT, they will leave notes all over your house about how you don't talk.

I say that because I've seen some of them offsite lol.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Any rational and logical argument that one might give will be met with "It gets better," "Suicide is selfish," "Life is a gift," or some combination of the three.

But when any of them goes through some shit and ends up suicidal as a result, their fellow pro-lifers will probably turn on them when their "arguments" are no longer convincing to them. I wish things like that didn't have to happen, for someone in the pro-life camp to understand how we think and feel about this, but that seems to be the way it is.

 

[HadEnough1974]

People here have told me they wanted to try to have a discussion. Here is their opportunity instead of PMing me or contacting members on Facebook.

I'm not afraid to face them in public.Members want to answer questions.

If they are serious about the topic, I am giving them an opportunity to learn. If they blow this opportunity, then they really don't care about the issue.

So if they don't respond in a constructive way here, logically and rationally, can you please let it go?

I just truly feel that your energy can be better spent looking out for and supporting people here as you have been doing for so long.

People are hurting, they are in need and I just feel that this is a waste of time.

Pro life people are not going to change their views and become pro choice. Just ignore them.

 

[TAW122]

I read all the posts @Jean4 made in this thread and agreed, mental health discussion should be de-stigmatized and also uncensored to allow dissenting views instead of prolife rhetoric being pushed in all directions, so far, even the pro-lifers out there fail to do that. Also @Esc9434 is right about if these 'pro-lifers' want to help people, they need to address the real issues and stop pushing their rhetoric around. There is no progress to be made if issues continue to be one-sided (favoring the pro-lifers) and not allowing dissenting views, especially unpopular and controversial stances.

 

[Jean4]

So if they don't respond in a constructive way here, logically and rationally, can you please let it go?

I just truly feel that your energy can be better spent looking out for and supporting people here as you have been doing for so long.

People are hurting, they are in need and I just feel that this is a waste of time.

Pro life people are not going to change their views and become pro choice. Just ignore them.

I don't think they are going to respond. I think they will continue to come to me.

I am hoping, by giving them the opportunity, those who wanted to talk to them can see we tried. So their conscience are cleared. I am also hoping they will stop harassing members on and off Facebook and stop attacking the admin.

I am putting it on on me. Let them target me. I want this board back to normal.

I read all the posts @Jean4 made in this thread and agreed, mental health discussion should be de-stigmatized and also uncensored to allow dissenting views instead of prolife rhetoric being pushed in all directions, so far, even the pro-lifers out there fail to do that. Also @Esc9434 is right about if these 'pro-lifers' want to help people, they need to address the real issues and stop pushing their rhetoric around. There is no progress to be made if issues continue to be one-sided (favoring the pro-lifers) and not allowing dissenting views, especially unpopular and controversial stances.

Nicely said.

 

[Suicide_vampire]

It's time that mental health services were guided and driven by service users. We keep getting told what is good for us and are very rarely asked our opinion.
I'm tired of mental health getting a wee boost when some celeb claims they have an issue.
The worst thing you can do to a mental health patient or a suicidal person is tell them their view is not relevant.

 

[needaplan]

People took their lives from the beginning of time, with or without the internet.
Also here people are in a safe surrounding with people, who are monitoring conversations, inappropriate users get blocked etc.
I can imagine there are forums, which are way unsafer for people

 

[Jean4]

It's time that mental health services were guided and driven by service users. We keep getting told what is good for us and are very rarely asked our opinion.
I'm tired of mental health getting a wee boost when some celeb claims they have an issue.
The worst thing you can do to a mental health patient or a suicidal person is tell them their view is not relevant.

And all of us have mental health issues here. Nobody more than me lol. Which is another reason for this post. Some of our more fragile members are getting upset because of the pro-lifers. I won't have these members decompensate because of them.

 

[Viola]

Have other people had messaged from them? As @Jean4 you know I did. Ffs have they been sending out messages to loads of us? If I'm anything to go by the paranoia as a consequence is not doing my mental health much good so it's not very nice of them really is it.

 

[Jean4]

Have other people had messaged from them? As @Jean4 you know I did. Ffs have they been sending out messages to loads of us? If I'm anything to go by the paranoia as a consequence is not doing my mental health much good so it's not very nice of them really is it.

Yes. Others have also. No worries. Hopefully they won't bother you anymore. I want them come after me.

If they bother you... let me know.

 

[HadEnough1974]

People, if you want to make a difference advocating for better mental health, run for office, make it part of your platform.

 

[TimeToBiteTheDust]

We are all Jean

 

[Jean4]

We are all Jean

Lordy. You are all me? I am going to need a bigger bed!!

 

[Viola]

Yes. Others have also. No worries. Hopefully they won't bother you anymore. I want them come after me.

If they bother you... let me know.

I will xxxxx

 

[one4all]

We are all Jean

This reminds me of the Borg LOL

 

[Jean4]

I will xxxxx

No worries. You are safe.

 

[Carina]

We are all Jean

I'm a nebula :D

It's much bigger, and can hold planets. Plus then no one can find me, and I bleed into the night sky without others knowing I exist.

Jean sticks out :D

 

[Viola]

No worries. You are safe.

You're an angel xxxxx

 

[Jumper Geo]

If these pro-lifers want to make a difference, then push the knowledge and treatment of Cluster B personality disorders more mainstream.

Those people are the ones who cause some of the trouble that drives people to this forum.

Also, get these doctors to stop pushing psych drugs, and start pushing natural alternatives.

I worked hard clean shaved everyday in a suit for a bank I had an episode and was given risperidon, after 6 month serous side effects kicked in, I din't have a clue what was happening as they never warmed me, I've been clean of all meds for over a year and nothing has changed, it's ruined my life I can;t even be bothered to wash.

 

[Jean4]

I worked hard clean shaved everyday in a suit for a bank I had an episode and was given risperidon, after 6 month serous side effects kicked in, I din't have a clue what was happening as they never warmed me, I've been clean of all meds for over a year and nothing has changed, it's ruined my life I can;t even be bothered to wash.

I understand. Maybe it will be helpful to do what I do. Every day I write in the Kitchen Sink post a list of things that need to be done for the day. Every day I write shower and brush my teeth. It works.

 

[Jumper Geo]

I understand. Maybe it will be helpful to do what I do. Every day I write in the Kitchen Sink post a list of things that need to be done for the day. Every day I write shower and brush my teeth. It works.

Thanks I will try that.

 

[Jean4]

Thanks I will try that.

See you on the post. When you do something on the list, write it. You will have a sense of accomplishment.