Jodes
Enlightened
- Nov 23, 2018
- 1,261
The problem is, us old wrinkies get angry that you feel the heed to CBT so early, at whatever has caused you to feel so. This brings about a natural desire to not see that you suffered... And maybe a bit selfish of us, it makes us feel better if you were to go through your suffering for as long as we've go through ours:p
I hate seeing young people offing themselves and think they should hold off to see if life improves but I mean, who am I to know what someone is going through? Maybe the suffering is beyond anything I've experienced. Different people have different thresholds for physical and emotional pain.
Jodes
Enlightened
- Nov 23, 2018
- 1,261
Onntgat situation, is it a "last resort" (and does that matter?)
lost illusions
bye
- Sep 12, 2018
- 548
I can see both sides of this argument. Yes being young means life hasn't kicked your ass yet. But I wanted to die at 14. I knew back then I didn't belong and I got my ass kicked for thinking that way. I don't belong now. This site is the only place that feels like home and I can be myself, I wish I had this back then
Thought about this today... life doesn't 'start' when you turn 18. It starts from the day you were born. Neglect from your own mother for example, when you're a baby and in first years of your life may damage you in your most crucial years of growing up which sometimes may give lifelasting scars and fears. There are so many other reasons why young people want to die, it's because their life at that point is everything they have, and life can be really shitty at any age as my own life for example has shown, young persons reality is as real as someone elses reality who is older. I wouldn't encourage anyone to CTB, but I just understand that pain or tiredness of life doesn't ask for your age.
Rose Mirren
roses are so overrated
- Dec 10, 2018
- 101
This is a really difficult topic to discuss because one's state of mind (mental age, maturity, etc.) isn't really comparable to another's. We have different thresholds, and go through different situations at different ages. But I don't think there should be a concrete age requirement like 25 because you can't exactly invalidate the choice to CBT of those who are 24 or younger. Besides, in the end, when a person really decides and commits to CBT, s/he will do so regardless of what anyone else thinks about his/her age.
This site provides a variety of topics, not just suicide methods. There's story and vent threads. There's support and recovery threads. Whatever this site brings to a person-- help in committing CBT, comfort in being able to express themselves freely, etc. -- it really all comes down to choice. Whatever someone's choice ends up being -- to keep living or to CBT -- we should respect it.
This site provides a variety of topics, not just suicide methods. There's story and vent threads. There's support and recovery threads. Whatever this site brings to a person-- help in committing CBT, comfort in being able to express themselves freely, etc. -- it really all comes down to choice. Whatever someone's choice ends up being -- to keep living or to CBT -- we should respect it.
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I've been suicidal since forever. I wish I had jumped out of a window when I was contemplating it at 10 years old. It would have saved me decades of horrible suffering culminating in cancer. I have no problem if younger people want to CTB. I've wasted years of my life hoping on improvement and things have just got worse and worse.
THIS. People say, "but you haven't experienced all life has to offer!" (At lease when I was young. Don't heard this BS now that I'm 21). Are you implying that's a bad thing? People who die young are lucky af. I wish I died young.
I know, right? I even envy babies who die at birth.
Sanguinius
Chicken of ss
- Aug 9, 2018
- 291
Who are you to abridge the right to ctb?
It's okay to remind someone of their age, of the risks. Of the matter that there is so much to explore, to live...
But under some circumstamces there is no life possible. Unser some circumstamces there is only suffering possible. And even if it will get better, it can be so horrible at the moment that I would be happy to exchange it with death, to trade all my (probably happy) life time with it. And I think it is okay. It is okay if you thought about it, if you are sure that you really want to do the deal.
Even if it will get better... It's everyones own decision.
Life doesn't mind age. It's just fair if ctb is open for everyone.
And I really hope this forum won't get closed for young people. It is so how my (second) last shelter, a place, where I can speak openly about my thoughts and problems...
I'm 15 years old.
Lil_Intro_Vert
she/they
- Oct 15, 2018
- 195
16 here, i've thought for a long time about if i want to ctb, i'm in lots of emotional pain everyday man, and philosophically i just don't see the point in life. No amount of meds or therapy can change what i believe. Everyone's experiences are different, and some people can't deal with the pain others can deal with. Theoretically, i should be so happy. I got a girlfriend, I'm passing all my classes, i have good friends, i play soccer and i'm in jazz band, but goddammit i'm not happy. No matter how good the day i still feel empty, and i don't see the point in this life. Graduate high school, go to college, get a shit job, work till i die? fuck that, i'm cashing out early, this life just hurts way too much. Overall point i guess is, i think my reasons to ctb are valid, and so are the reasons for the other young ones here. This is a pro choice forum fam, and my choice is to ctb
15dec
ember in the dark
- Dec 7, 2018
- 1,550
I totally get what you mean about education and working till you die, one of my big reasons for wanting to ctb is that I can't be fucked for that stuff, just don't see the point in it. Also thought about ctb for years and my mental state is just not gonna change at this point, may as well end it know
Xerxes
Invisible
- Nov 8, 2018
- 936
If I was 16 and heard the same stuff every day about why it's bad to kill myself, I feel guilty and wouldn't want to share my issues again. Either way I would still CTB, but with added resentment.
17 here.
I don't understand what people's issues are regarding age. Like its our life, we should be able to choose what we do as soon as we know the consequences of that decision.
I'll say the majority of people on here know that if they were to ctb, it is irreversible.
Our lives, our choice
That's my opinion anyway
I don't understand what people's issues are regarding age. Like its our life, we should be able to choose what we do as soon as we know the consequences of that decision.
I'll say the majority of people on here know that if they were to ctb, it is irreversible.
Our lives, our choice
That's my opinion anyway
Wondering if people post they're actual profile pics on this forum I wouldn't be comfortable to do that.
Maybe I just don't give a fuck
Gainax
Experienced
- Oct 8, 2018
- 265
A nine-year-old girl has committed suicide after being bullied by her fourth-grade classmates.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-taunted-having-white-friend-family-says.html
i have no doubt this poor girl suffered immensely but would any of you be capable of helping her with her decision to ctb, instead of just talking to her and help her find a "prolife" alternative?
if you say you're pro choice and believe she has the right to do it and even go as far as to speak of the best methods to her...you're just a fucked up person.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-taunted-having-white-friend-family-says.html
i have no doubt this poor girl suffered immensely but would any of you be capable of helping her with her decision to ctb, instead of just talking to her and help her find a "prolife" alternative?
if you say you're pro choice and believe she has the right to do it and even go as far as to speak of the best methods to her...you're just a fucked up person.
Yeah I agree poor girl this fucking world is poison
Skathon
"...scarred underneath, and I'm falling..."
- Oct 29, 2018
- 590
...death police? What are the penalties for dying before the age of 25?
Plenty of teenagers have suicidal thoughts and feelings. It's good to have a place for people to openly discuss difficult topics.
Bulletwbttrflywings
My soul is awakened... and I’m f*cked
- May 29, 2019
- 244
marcusuk63
CTB
- Mar 24, 2019
- 1,735
mathieu
Enlightened
- Jun 5, 2019
- 1,090
It's ultimately their life, their choice. Sad to see people of any age suffering, though. I first tried to ctb at 15 and I wish I'd done it properly. I knew my life would be a nightmare and I was right (mental illness). It has been.
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Darkhaven
All i have left is memories
- May 19, 2019
- 979
25 you are still a young adult but during 25 years you already been through 1/3 of life and that had to give you some kind of preview of what's to come.
If that preview is more of the same or worse then why not?
If that preview is more of the same or worse then why not?
RM5998
Sack of Meat
- Sep 3, 2018
- 2,202
"If you kill yourself before you turn 25, we shall... hang your corpse! By the neck! In the gallows!"
While I do understand where the OP is coming from, I can't bring myself to agree. Their argument seems to be based on the inherent assumption that life is, on average, inherently preferable to death, and that people must 'exhaust all options' before they turn to it. They seem to be imbuing life with a sanctity that I do not believe it possesses. There is no generalizable reason to prefer life to death, and thus while it is arguable that life could get better than it is when one commits suicide, there is no way to compare the state of death to this better life - which is the comparison necessary to make a judgment here.
(Sorry for the twisted verbiage, but I believe it is necessary to speak in the generalized abstract here, and not simply say that 'every person is different'. That's also a somewhat weightless statement to use since the point of rules is to try to generate the best possible outcome in the majority of use cases.)
dhk96
Member
- May 8, 2018
- 94
There's a difference between helping and letting things run their course. I certainly don't think I would have directly intervened or encouraged her to CTB. If someone her age seriously wanted to find resources or methods, he or she could have easily done so on his or her own, unlike two decades ago when the internet was still pretty new. The new generation of people are good at searching for things and information is widespread. That's why pretty much every (super young) kid knows what depression and suicide are now--even if they don't understand it.
I am pro-choice and believe someone as young as her has the "right" to CTB. I have wanted to die since around age 10 and am now turning 23 this year. In other words, I've lived more than half of my life in anger and fear and anxiety. I knew since that age that I would never be able to feel or think differently about living and was always hyperaware of my current and future suffering as time went on. It's not something that I look back on and think "oh, wow! I only know that life is shit because I lived a decade more!"
What makes my "right" to CTB any less "worthy" than someone who is 27 and became suicidal at 25? Or someone who is 25 and became suicidal at 19? In two years when I'm 25, I'm going to be the same scared and worthless brat I was at 10, 15, 20, and 23.
God, I wish I could have been born in a slightly later generation so I wouldn't have had to suffer alone and knew there were painless ways out of here. Some older people who have stuck around longer than I have are probably thinking the same. Sure, it sucks that young people all around the world want to die because it would be nice if everyone could be happy. But that's not the case and I would be a darn hypocrite if I said that people younger than me shouldn't be allowed to die yet.
On a side note, some people probably just want those younger than them to suffer longer...even if they've already actually suffered longer than those older than them because they were suicidal at 9, 10, or whatever.
Kjo
Student
- Jun 7, 2019
- 148
My thoughts:
Haven't hit the hard shit? Who's to say what counts as "the hard shit" or whether somebody has or hasn't already endured hard shit. . . Age does not determine pain. Some people grew up being beaten and raped, watched their drug addict parents attempt suicide and so much more, while others know a different type of pain. It's not about age imo.
What age would you say minimum?
Perhaps it should be a certain duration of suicidal thinking and attempts to "to fix" life, instead of an age? Say you have been suicidal for idk ten years. (Obviously arbitrary number not meant to incite an argument, just randomly picked a number.)
I think a 70 year old person that decided suicide is the answer one night after losing the family home, is probably not as committed to the permanent solution for the temporary problem as maybe a 60 year old with bouts of depression and suicide attempts over the past 45 years.
Regardless, shouldn't we all be able to discuss it all?
I imagine 18 is the minimum age for the sake of the website staying in operation due to regulations and media.
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