WARNING for UK SN users

[WatchmeBurn]

I really wonder about the legal side of this. If they think you're in eminent danger do they need a warrant still? What would the courts say? Sometimes the law can be tricky and I really don't know enough about it.

They don't need a warrant if you're possibly in imminent danger, however I fail to see how just owning SN (which has other uses) can use that. What's next, they're going to start smashing down the doors of amateur, er, meat curers or whatever?

 

[lostintheloop]

Immediate risk/emergency If there's an immediate threat to life (self or others), police might act without a warrant under their common law duty to protect life

If immediate risk they may be able to force way in e.g believe in middle of attempt so no time for warrant . But i don't think they can use common law to drag someone to hospital who is clearly physically fine and well , the MHA and warrants would then need to be used if only issue is mental


As with OP though, what they can do in law and what they actually do can really differ as easy to coerce someone who is caught unaware . But they can't force you . I have heard of police tricking people into going outside so they can then use s136 to take them to hospital . Which is unlawful to do it like that .
Even if they force someone to a&e (or a place of safety / s136 suite) they will extremely likely assess and discharge , they're arent enough beds to section people to psych wards. Police sections (s136) only last 24h or less if assessment is completed sooner. Only seriously ill cases will end up on sections on psych wards here .

 

[beeptad]

Also - what they told me (who knows if it is true); "the border force don't have powers to seize these parcels". I was confused and lied to them about having it. After a long while with them in the other room and another one making me speak to MHAS on the phone, they came back in, I thought I was free to go since MHAS did not force me to attend the hospital. Then the ambulance arrives and the officer next to me apologises because 'he cancelled it but they came anyway'. The ambulance guys stayed around though so I didn't feel I could trust what they were saying. They were phoning people in the other room and one of them came back in and showed me photo evidence of the delivery which they must have got from the courier. I folded under my lie then and wish I had not. I should have kept it outside of the house or something.

Please let me know what specifically I can provide, if anything. I am very very much pro choice in this matter and I am sorry I am coming off this way. But this experience was scary and traumatic and I need to share, both to warn others but also because I feel like the world is collapsing now I don't have my 'out'.

Just want to say I'm not accusing you of lying, it's just important we get as much correct and confirmed information as possible. Do you have any photo evidence of the police / ambulance being outside your house? Maybe pictures of the package you recieved from DMC / screenshots of royal mail delivery updates, anything to corroborate that you actually ordered and recieved SN.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

If immediate risk they may be able to force way in e.g believe in middle of attempt so no time for warrant . But i don't think they can use common law to drag someone to hospital who is clearly physically fine and well , the MHA and warrants would then need to be used if only issue is mental


As with OP though, what they can do in law and what they actually do can really differ as easy to coerce someone who is caught unaware . But they can't force you . I have heard of police tricking people into going outside so they can then use s136 to take them to hospital . Which is unlawful to do it like that .
Even if they force someone to a&e , a&e will extremely likely assess and discharge , they're arent enough beds to section people to psych wards. Only seriously ill cases will end up on psych wards here

I literally told my psychiatrist months ago that I was planning to end it and he barely even cared, didn't offer any meds or therapy. They also made me speak to MHAS on the phone and they agreed that I didn't have to go to their psychiatric hospital. But then the ambulance team arrived sometime during that call and I got scared that they found the SN and changed their minds. In fact, they did not find it, but they manipulated me into consenting to a search by using this pressure. Emphasising I am not anti choice, I just want people to avoid being caught unawares like I was.

Just want to say I'm not accusing you of lying, it's just important we get as much correct and confirmed information as possible. Do you have any photo evidence of the police / ambulance being outside your house? Maybe pictures of the package you recieved from DMC / screenshots of royal mail delivery updates, anything to corroborate that you actually ordered and recieved SN.

I did not take photos of the police or ambulance - I was woken up to find the police there was immediately 'taken' to the living room to be talked to, so did not have access to my phone. Nor the package (I was trying to keep it secret). All I think I have: texts and WhatsApp messages asking me to pay for it, an email confirming my order, a Royal Mail delivery update including the name of the DMC person. I paid with Revolut, I guess there might be records there, too. I don't want to dox them - maybe I can censor it? I don't know. I understand the skepticism entirely. I want to be clear I am not anti choice.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just so horrific and extremely cruel how they wish to deny people the choice to reliably cease existing and imprison them in this existence, I wish it's not a crime to want to choose when to cease existing, it truly is such a horrifying world where the suffering and torture of human existence is seen as to force and prolong no matter what even know it all just leads to death anyway, everyone will die anyway.

 

[Redleaf1992]

Also - what they told me (who knows if it is true); "the border force don't have powers to seize these parcels". I was confused and lied to them about having it. After a long while with them in the other room and another one making me speak to MHAS on the phone, they came back in, I thought I was free to go since MHAS did not force me to attend the hospital. Then the ambulance arrives and the officer next to me apologises because 'he cancelled it but they came anyway'. The ambulance guys stayed around though so I didn't feel I could trust what they were saying. They were phoning people in the other room and one of them came back in and showed me photo evidence of the delivery which they must have got from the courier. I folded under my lie then and wish I had not. I should have kept it outside of the house or something.

Please let me know what specifically I can provide, if anything. I am very very much pro choice in this matter and I am sorry I am coming off this way. But this experience was scary and traumatic and I need to share, both to warn others but also because I feel like the world is collapsing now I don't have my 'out'.

One element that does seem consistent with the truth is getting the SN and welfare check seperatley:

It was on one of the BBC vids that the guy said he got a welfare check but also received the SN. So seems element of truth in that.

Again hope I don't sound rude being skeptical, nothing agaisnt anyone but as others said hard to trust.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

It's just so horrific and extremely cruel how they wish to deny people the choice to reliably cease existing and imprison them in this existence, I wish it's not a crime to want to choose when to cease existing, it truly is such a horrifying world where the suffering and torture of human existence is seen as to force and prolong no matter what even know it all just leads to death anyway, everyone will die anyway.

I'm feeling so lost and alienated. The assisted dying bill is also going through here and I don't think politics are allowed (?) but I will say that seeing everyone around me opposed to it has made me feel even more crushed. It just feels like the whole world is conspiring to let people like us suffer, with no help or recourse. They truly do not get it and never will. I don't know what to do. I guess I will have to find another way. I hope that they know they made it worse for me, not better.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Agreed. Everyone so far has had less than 50 comments. I'm remaining skeptical, mainly because I don't wanna believe it's true, lol.

what i think happened is in the Uk government agencies got the data from a shipper . and have all the shipment info from an address (DMC) for the last few months ( who knows how far back but all 5 have been recent last 3 months ).

they did this for a USA part of a worldwide police check a few years ago. they got the shipping info for UPS here in the USA. world governments coordinated massive police checks for IC SN and N from D police checks a few years ago.

imo it seems the UK gov agencies have DMC 's address flagged at customs and or might be looking through shipping data from shipper or courier.

i think these 5 reports of DMC police checks the last few days are really suicidal people visited by police in the UK

i know there are pro-lifers on here trying to take down sources but i don't think these posts are from pro-lifers .

otherwise , ok so we'd have to believe that pro-lifers have been painstakingly analyzing posts for months to be able to understand and figure out DMC s operation . but then they decided to not report DMC months ago to the website host, police , Uk goverment agencies , other agencies etc. but instead to concoct some plot to wait for months to post some messages on here . and then concocted some conspiracy to get people to make 5 accounts and post in stealth mode for months things that only suicidal people would post and that pro-lifers could never understand. all this time waiting wow pro-lifers have some patience ! lol . ridiculous.

wow imagine the commitment to the mission months of stealth posting suicidal and pro-choice messages on 5 accounts! then all of sudden at this time ( why now?) spring the big plot but only in the UK . why not have some in the USA ? why not make up some shit like that they brought them to the mental hospital to really scare people? so all this operation for months of hard work all to do what scare people into taking their SN before the police come take it away? or they'll say to do what to stop people from ordering from DMC from the UK?

these messages help me to be prepared for any welfare checks and to get a move on and kill myself. so that's what pro-lifers want?

so pro-lifers have agents working here for months for the grand mission!

fucking pro-lifers are stupid and lazy and would never be able to do this nor figure out the details about what would be DMC's operation or what would suicidal people want to do . wow imagine the commitment to the mission months of stealth posting suicidal and pro-choice messages on 5 accounts! the grand mission to do what scare people into taking their SN before the police come take it away?

out of all the things pro-lifers could think of they could only think of this and only in the UK ! so the pro-lifers want to stop or rush them ( which is it?) only in the UK, all other countries well pro-lifers just don't care about other countries !

i'm trying to use sarcasm but i don't have time to edit or write a good post . i believe these posts are truthful.

 

[depressedinsomniac]

well to me the part that checks out is 4 accounts...and the site got taken down recently. That all adds up to this imho.

 

[avidreader49]

OP please can you let me know if you were referred to any mental health service or what happened next? I just had police turn up and I'm very shaken up

 

[ignorableaurochs]

OP please can you let me know if you were referred to any mental health service or what happened next? I just had police turn up and I'm very shaken up

I'm so sorry, I hope you are okay. this just happened like 5 hours ago for me

they made me speak to MHAS on the phone. I was clear that I didn't have plans for 'that day' but it was obvious that I had long term plans. as I was no 'immediate' threat they did not make me attend the psych hospital but offered it as an option which I declined.

they said they would tell my psychiatrist and offered to pull my appointment forward which I also declined bc frankly he has been incredibly unhelpful and I don't see the point any more (doesn't want me on meds or therapy despite knowing I am suicidal, 5 attempts deep). I basically think that mental health services consider me a nuisance. even after an overdose last year I didn't get a lot of follow up support. probably a combination of lots of failed attempts making them think I am not serious + stretched services.

it is possible that my GP or similar may follow up but I don't know yet.

 

[axab43]

It must be so awful living in such a miserable country and not being able to go

Great Britain is not a miserable country! It is wonderful country just with rubbish laws about personal choice on things such as assisted dying. And the police can overstep the mark sometimes.

Also - what they told me (who knows if it is true); "the border force don't have powers to seize these parcels". I was confused and lied to them about having it. After a long while with them in the other room and another one making me speak to MHAS on the phone, they came back in, I thought I was free to go since MHAS did not force me to attend the hospital. Then the ambulance arrives and the officer next to me apologises because 'he cancelled it but they came anyway'. The ambulance guys stayed around though so I didn't feel I could trust what they were saying. They were phoning people in the other room and one of them came back in and showed me photo evidence of the delivery which they must have got from the courier. I folded under my lie then and wish I had not. I should have kept it outside of the house or something.

Please let me know what specifically I can provide, if anything. I am very very much pro choice in this matter and I am sorry I am coming off this way. But this experience was scary and traumatic and I need to share, both to warn others but also because I feel like the world is collapsing now I don't have my 'out'.

Also - what they told me (who knows if it is true); "the border force don't have powers to seize these parcels". I was confused and lied to them about having it. After a long while with them in the other room and another one making me speak to MHAS on the phone, they came back in, I thought I was free to go since MHAS did not force me to attend the hospital. Then the ambulance arrives and the officer next to me apologises because 'he cancelled it but they came anyway'. The ambulance guys stayed around though so I didn't feel I could trust what they were saying. They were phoning people in the other room and one of them came back in and showed me photo evidence of the delivery which they must have got from the courier. I folded under my lie then and wish I had not. I should have kept it outside of the house or something.

Please let me know what specifically I can provide, if anything. I am very very much pro choice in this matter and I am sorry I am coming off this way. But this experience was scary and traumatic and I need to share, both to warn others but also because I feel like the world is collapsing now I don't have my 'out'.

I'm sorry. But I Just do not believe what you are saying about the ambulance if it was in the UK. I had a friend who was seriously ill, with serious fever. I rang up and was told it would take several hours for the ambulance to arrive, when life was seriously under threat. So if a policeman phoned up to cancel an ambulance, and it was clear you had not taken anything, there is no way they would turn up anyway. They have enough to do with trying to save people who are seriously ill. If this had happened the way you said it, the SN would be up to the police to sort out and if the police felt it was needed, they would phone mental health services. They would not phone an ambulance.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

Great Britain is not a miserable country! It is wonderful country just with rubbish laws about personal choice on things such as assisted dying. And the police can overstep the mark sometimes.


I'm sorry. But I Just do not believe what you are saying about the ambulance if it was in the UK. I had a friend who was seriously ill, with serious fever. I rang up and was told it would take several hours for the ambulance to arrive, when life was seriously under threat. So if a policeman phoned up to cancel an ambulance, and it was clear you had not taken anything, there is no way they would turn up anyway. They have enough to do with trying to save people who are seriously ill. If this had happened the way you said it, the SN would be up to the police to sort out and if the police felt it was needed, they would phone mental health services. They would not phone an ambulance.

I'm sorry you don't believe me. I don't know what I can say except that it's the truth. At risk of doxing myself, I am in Scotland.
I understand the skepticism given the whole gross 'pro life' movement, but also, I'm feeling pretty traumatised by this experience and have nowhere else to go to share it (I don't even feel comfortable leaving my room right now bc my partner knows about this situation which is exactly what I wanted to avoid). I really need a space right now because I'm going out of my mind.

 

[axab43]

I'm sorry you don't believe me. I don't know what I can say except that it's the truth. At risk of doxing myself, I am in Scotland.
I understand the skepticism given the whole gross 'pro life' movement, but also, I'm feeling pretty traumatised by this experience and have nowhere else to go to share it (I don't even feel comfortable leaving my room right now bc my partner knows about this situation which is exactly what I wanted to avoid). I really need a space right now because I'm going out of my mind.

Well if you are telling the truth, and you are young, just know that in the future, you do not even have to open the door to the police. Or admit them into your home. I am older than you and I certainly won't be admitting anyone into my home, certainly not letting them search it. Being as they are dealing with people with mental health issues forced entry could cause serious issues itself!

 

[ignorableaurochs]

Well if you are telling the truth, and you are young, just know that in the future, you do not even have to open the door to the police. Or admit them into your home. I am older than you and I certainly won't be admitting anyone into my home, certainly not letting them search it. Being as they are dealing with people with mental health issues force entry could cause more suicidal

I am 29 and my partner let them in. I woke up to him telling me the police were here over a parcel containing material for "suicide pacts" (I never made any kind lf pact). So the jig was up. But yes I wish I had been able to deny entry, or that I had the presence of mind to deny the search. I thought I got away with lying for a bit until they came back in with the photo of the parcel from the courier.

I did not take photos of the parcel as I was trying to keep my plans a secret. I have the email confirmation, some texts and WhatsApp messages asking me to pay, maybe (?) payment records on Revolut, a Royal Mail delivery confirmation with the DMC guy's name on. Not sure if anything else.

 

[axab43]

what i think happened is in the Uk government agencies got the data from a shipper . and have all the shipment info from an address (DMC) for the last few months ( who knows how far back but all 5 have been recent last 3 months ).

they did this for a USA part of a worldwide police check a few years ago. they got the shipping info for UPS here in the USA. world governments coordinated massive police checks for IC SN and N from D police checks a few years ago.

imo it seems the UK gov agencies have DMC 's address flagged at customs and or might be looking through shipping data from shipper or courier.

i think these 5 reports of DMC police checks the last few days are really suicidal people visited by police in the UK

i know there are pro-lifers on here trying to take down sources but i don't think these posts are from pro-lifers .

otherwise , ok so we'd have to believe that pro-lifers have been painstakingly analyzing posts for months to be able to understand and figure out DMC s operation . but then they decided to not report DMC months ago to the website host, police , Uk goverment agencies , other agencies etc. but instead to concoct some plot to wait for months to post some messages on here . and then concocted some conspiracy to get people to make 5 accounts and post in stealth mode for months things that only suicidal people would post and that pro-lifers could never understand. all this time waiting wow pro-lifers have some patience ! lol . ridiculous.

wow imagine the commitment to the mission months of stealth posting suicidal and pro-choice messages on 5 accounts! then all of sudden at this time ( why now?) spring the big plot but only in the UK . why not have some in the USA ? why not make up some shit like that they brought them to the mental hospital to really scare people? so all this operation for months of hard work all to do what scare people into taking their SN before the police come take it away? or they'll say do do what to stop people from ordering from DMC from the UK?

these messages help me to be prepared for any welfare checks and to get a move on and kill myself. so that's what pro-lifers want?

so pro-lifers have agents working here for months for the grand mission!

fucking pro-lifers are stupid and lazy and would never be able to do this nor figure out the details about what would be DMC's operation or what would suicidal people want to do . wow imagine the commitment to the mission months of stealth posting suicidal and pro-choice messages on 5 accounts! the grand mission to do what scare people into taking their SN before the police come take it away?

out of all the things pro-lifers could think of they could only think of this and only in the UK ! so the pro-lifers want to stop or rush them ( which is it?) only in the UK, all other countries well pro-lifers just don't care about other countries !

They do not have to be pro lifers. I have been on websites where some sick people just join to make trouble. THere are some seriously strange people out there. And a lot of those claiming police visits are all fairly new accounts. One has just commented saying they have had a visit from the police and they joined around the same time with the same number of comments as some of the others.

Not saying they are all lying but there are a lot of similarities between some of them.

I am 29 and my partner let them in. I woke up to him telling me the police were here over a parcel containing material for "suicide pacts" (I never made any kind lf pact). So the jig was up. But yes I wish I had been able to deny entry, or that I had the presence of mind to deny the search. I thought I got away with lying for a bit until they came back in with the photo of the parcel from the courier.

I did not take photos of the parcel as I was trying to keep my plans a secret. I have the email confirmation, some texts and WhatsApp messages asking me to pay, maybe (?) payment records on Revolut, a Royal Mail delivery confirmation with the DMC guy's name on. Not sure if anything else.

If you are telling the truth, I apologise. And understand about the comment to do with Assisted Dying bill. What is happening there is crazy and cruel, on all kinds of levels.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I'm so sorry this happened. I think even if you know your rights all that can go out of the window when you're actually in the situation. Add in the fact laws around police powers are not exactly clear when it comes to stuff like this basically means they can manipulate you into a search. Sounds like you got some on a real power trip. They have a job to do but they're supposed to be handling it as sensitively as possible not being arseholes about it considering the situation, you're not a criminal.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

They do not have to be pro lifers. I have been on websites where some sick people just join to make trouble. THere are some seriously strange people out time as the others with the same number of comments.there. And a lot of those claiming police visits are all fairly new accounts. One has just commented saying they have had a visit from the police and they joined around the same

Not saying they are all lying but there are a lot of similarities between some of them.

so this is a thing, make 5 accounts for months posting only things suicidal people can understand ? for what reason to make such efforts?

and only cause trouble for the UK? why only the UK? why do they want to cause trouble only for the people from the UK on this site?

if they wanted to cause trouble or scare people why not post really bad shit like that they were put in mental hospitals and do it for several countries ?

don't you think the administrators of this site could tell if it's the same ip or fake accounts?

have you read the posts of OP and others? the ones i read seemed legit to me. and their answers on here like they know the details of DMC purchasing. so a group will go through all that trouble to memorize and purchase DMC. you have to know the details to be able to answer , imo they purchased DMC to be able to answer and understand the details such as payment options so quickly as they did in this thread and the other latest one.

 

[axab43]

so this is a thing, make 5 accounts for months posting only things suicidal people can understand ? for what reason to make such efforts?

and only cause trouble for the UK? why only the UK? why do they want to cause trouble only for the people from the UK on this site?

if they wanted to cause trouble or scare people why not post really bad shit like that they were put in mental hospitals and do it for several countries ?

don't you think the administrators of this site could tell if it's the same ip or fake accounts?

have you read the posts of OP and others? the ones i read seemed legit to me. and their answers on here like they know the details of DMC purchasing. so a group will go through all that trouble to memorize and purchase DMC. you have to know the details to be able to answer , imo they purchased DMC to be able to answer and understand the details such as payment options so quickly as they did in this thread and the other latest one.

I don't know but other people who have been here a long time are sceptical as well. Some seem more legit than others but two are definitely susspect.

I did apologise to the OP if I was wrong so there is no need to make a post like that to be honest. All this upset me a lot when I first read it and all the same posts cropping up a few days after oneanother just did not seem legitimate to me. I bought from DMC, I am from UK and I have not had any sign of a police visit. Some people may be glad of a warning, some may be freaked out by it as I was and it might push them to do things sooner than they would first have intended, when SN needs a lot of careful planning

 

[intothec]

Ordered SN months ago, it arrived in January. I had been waiting to use it. The police just came to my house, saying border force had intercepted the parcel (despite it arriving months ago) and interrogating me. I lied but they searched the house and seized it. Unfortunately now the people I live with know. PLEASE be careful if you are in the UK and want to stay discreet

Same here but lifted at post office. Want you going to do now…. That was my painless way out. Devastated

 

[Beelzebub]

May be a good idea to have a bag of sodium "nitrate" so if they come to seize it you can give them that instead

Absolutely not, do not buy nitrate based fertilizers without a clear reason. It could be used to call you a terrorist, its a component of fertilizer bombs.

 

[ignorableaurochs]

I posted my receipts etc but mods removed them for personal information so unfortunately I am unsure how I can prove it - I got some reacts so hopefully that means some people saw it

 

[intothec]

I posted my receipts etc but mods removed them for personal information so unfortunately I am unsure how I can prove it - I got some reacts so hopefully that means some people saw it

Redact the info?

 

[ignorableaurochs]

I did remove surnames the first time I posted, and the tracking number I showed no longer works as far as I know, but it was still removed. I don't want to push it and get banned by reposting.

 

[d34dincid3]

I'm in the U.K. and wanting to source SN. If I manage to get my supplies I would keep them in a secure place away from my home. Can someone DM me where to obtain SN or point me in the right direction please. Also I feel bad for you OP, the police definitely crossed a line without a warrant to enter and search your home.

 

[bebeblu]

Ordered SN months ago, it arrived in January. I had been waiting to use it. The police just came to my house, saying border force had intercepted the parcel (despite it arriving months ago) and interrogating me. I lied but they searched the house and seized it. Unfortunately now the people I live with know. PLEASE be careful if you are in the UK and want to stay discreet

If Border Force intercepted your package, presumably at the border, why didn't they confiscate it there and prevent delivery?

I didn't know about the warrant but I was in such shock over it - I lied initially but they were very forceful and said they knew it was there so they had to search, and I feared what would happen if I said no, as they had an ambulance team with them and I was worried they would take me away. I'm honestly in shock and dissociated and can't stop shaking. It was a terrifying experience. I also don't know what I'll do now without it.

I'm sorry but this is a very hard story to believe… I've worked for emergency services…
You had a package delivered in January & I'm to believe 4 months later a police crew show up with ambulance crew in tow just in case today was the day the SI thoughts from 4 months ago were winning.
Both the Police & Ambulance services are stretched to the limits. If you'd said the police had shown up for a welfare check by themselves, that I would have believed…Normal practice is for them to then call for Ambo backup if they require it.

 

[tulero]

its pretty lame the SN situation in UK and how far they go

glad to live in a EU contry cuz even though SN is not sold in my country to non-authorized buyers, at least you can import from others EU countries with less restrictions and pass the customs easily

this situation reminds that you should go for every ctb method (and have in your posession) you are happy with before its too late and laws catch up

 

[Wilt-On-High]

This is making me nervous
How am I actually going to...CTB?
I'm nervous so I keep prolonging it and the more I prolong it the more my SN is getting less pure by the minute

 

[SomeRandomThing]

I'm in the U.K. and wanting to source SN. If I manage to get my supplies I would keep them in a secure place away from my home. Can someone DM me where to obtain SN or point me in the right direction please. Also I feel bad for you OP, the police definitely crossed a line without a warrant to enter and search your home.

If you manage to source, please let me know. I'm based in the UK too and looking to source the same.. this thread has me nervous, I don't want the police at my door, I don't want my family to know, or end up knowing if the police end up at my door

 

[Michi_Violeta]

This is making me nervous
How am I actually going to...CTB?
I'm nervous so I keep prolonging it and the more I prolong it the more my SN is getting less pure by the minute

SN is quite stable and maintains its purity for a long time, it's not a minute by minute thing.