Tried to buy SN on eBay and...

[HopeDiesLast]

Totally agree but the amount of people who got raided with N of here is not a coincidence anymore. To much info on everything every small detail including payment etc is followed by police here.
You never know who you are talking to here in pm.

And yes being more discreet on sources and own handling is important .

Realistically...law enforcement doesn't need any of the info that members post here. If they want to know about the ordering process, payment, packaging etc., all they have to do is place an order. It's not like "A"'s contact info hasn't been readily available for years through EI/PPH.

IMO, the idea that police have nothing better to do than monitoring this site 24/7 is a bit unrealistic. Sure, they investigated (contacted the forum owners/admins) after Shawn's death to determine if a crime may have been committed, but that was probably the end of that. I wouldn't be surprised if a civil lawsuit from her parents followed, but that's not a police matter.

My point is that in the grand scheme of things, a bunch of suicidal people online aren't important enough for law enforcement to waste significant resources on.

 

[JustVisiting]

Totally agree but the amount of people who got raided with N of here is not a coincidence anymore. To much info on everything every small detail including payment etc is followed by police here.
You never know who you are talking to here in pm.

And yes being more discreet on sources and own handling is important .

duly noted.

 

[Berlin76]

Realistically...law enforcement doesn't need any of the info that members post here. If they want to know about the ordering process, payment, packaging etc., all they have to do is place an order. It's not like "A"'s contact info hasn't been readily available for years through EI/PPH.

IMO, the idea that police have nothing better to do than monitoring this site 24/7 is a bit laughable. Sure, they investigated (contacted the forum owners/admins) after Shawn's death to determine if a crime may have been committed, but that was probably the end of that. I wouldn't be surprised if a civil lawsuit from her parents followed, but that's not a police matter.

My point is that in the grand scheme of things, a bunch of suicidal people online aren't important enough for law enforcement to waste significant resources on.

Why do you think the source online will of sn start asking questions and why they go of the market place. Because they get notified because people from here talk abiut them and using their products to kill themselves.

I know they also order from him ofcourse they always do that . But do you know how many of here have been raided. That is way to much for just being a coincidence.

But they watch this site like a drug mark it is a reason for them and also to get leads on people here who talk about their order.

In the bigger picture this site also have younger members who lie about their age. And in general it is to much of a risk for lE to let this go.

Befor Ss A did not have these problems.
He went on for years with minor problems not like now with DEA and interpol on his ass.

So please stop making me laugh because with that narrow minded view. dont think this small world is all and or is a secret.

And read the article also they will keep an eye here on everything till they have A .

 

[ThatIsTheQuestion]

These problems keep repeating (barbiturates gone, then opioids, then benzos), and they always will. Absolutely anything can be regulated. Louisiana licenses florists, for fuck's sake. And deleting posts doesn't help. Governments and lawyers use crawlers and scrapers on sites like this, they don't pay someone to sit in front of a computer all day keeping an eye out for something fishy. Everything said here automatically goes into at least one database somewhere, and there just isn't a reliable way to stop people from saying things they shouldn't. This is a neverending fight.

 

[Lotus1818]

Ok can anyone else confirm this? I'm confused why the op hasn't answered any of our questions? Is this fear mongering?

 

[Soul]

Why do you think the source online will of sn start asking questions and why they go of the market place. Because they get notified because people from here talk abiut them and using their products to kill themselves.

I know they also order from him ofcourse they always do that . But do you know how many of here have been raided. That is way to much for just being a coincidence.

But they watch this site like a drug mark it is a reason for them and also to get leads on people here who talk about their order.

In the bigger picture this site also have younger members who lie about their age. And in general it is to much of a risk for lE to let this go.

Befor Ss A did not have these problems.
He went on for years with minor problems not like now with DEA and interpol on his ass.

So please stop making me laugh because with that narrow minded view. dont think this small world is all and or is a secret.

And read the article also they will keep an eye here on everything till they have A .

So ... Why is the whole forum open to the whole wide world? Couldn't we have at least some areas that only registered users can see/use, after at least minimal vetting like for pm privileges? I know this has been discussed before but I still don't get the reasons for leaving us so exposed.

 

[Loner]

Why don't we encourage people to make statements [before they CTB] about this site helping them and giving them comfort and how it actually helped them to feel better? Maybe there should be a section for it? Destroying any evidence of their purchases of the products and details of the sellers and things like that would also help I think.

 

[voyager]

I don't presume to understand this world anymore, but to me it's not the talking here which led to this action but something else. I agree, we don't all have to make a thread everytime announcing where and from whom we got it, and what we intend to do with it. I'm sure the sellers can do without this sort of promotion, but this isn't exactly news to LE. They know all about this and have so for some time. But they couldn't do anything about Shawn, nor BB+JT and many others, and they even gave Harold his SN back after his trip to the psych ward because it's his legal property. Bottom line, SN is still legal, N isn't.

To me the obvious link here are those left behind and that's something we simply can't control. Everytime someone leaves here people close to them are bound to ask where they got it from. They may not always pinpoint the instructions to this website, but they will ask why their loved ones could so easily obtain a lethal substance from an online market. Coroners and the like may ask similar questions, and these are then forwarded to the proper channels and the seller sites, imho. A certain auction site et al will then simply not risk their reputation or legal liabilty for us to kill ourselves.

I don't really think we can do anything about it. PMs are just as easily read by LE as anything else here. Of course, we could all just stop talking about it and not kill ourselves anymore. But is that really a solution or not exactly what some people want? Thus, imho, anyone who's interested in this should get it while they can and when it's over there'll just be some other means.

 

[Berlin76]

So ... Why is the whole forum open to the whole wide world? Couldn't we have at least some areas that only registered users can see/use, after at least minimal vetting like for pm privileges? I know this has been discussed before but I still don't get the reasons for leaving us so exposed.

Totally agree with that.
At some point this will be a normal thing of the website that we will be more private as members here. But now its on open internet

 

[chris8000]

@Berlin76 and @Soul have some good points.

Although, I suspect it is just as likely that the seller changed their policy because some one in the EU died and the police traced where they bought it from examining their stuff. This could be done w/o looking at this website and just looking at the deceased persons emails or the website account where the SN was obtained from.

This isn't to say extra measures are not a good idea, because they are, I mean anyone can read the conversation we are having right now w/o even having to register.

 

[Berlin76]

@Berlin76 and @Soul have some good points.

Although, I suspect it is just as likely that the seller changed their policy because some one in the EU died and the police traced where they bought it from examining their stuff. This could be done w/o looking at this website and just looking at the deceased persons emails or the website account where the SN was obtained from.

This isn't to say extra measures are not a good idea, because they are, I mean anyone can read the conversation we are having right now w/o even having to register.

Yes like with the Shawn case her mom found the phone and saw all the messages of members here. So that way this site got check by police for incriminating stuff like helping that girl with suicide etc.
Either way it end and starts alot of times here one way or the other.

So what happens normally when something has a negative influence?
Correct it gets closed down, so i backfires on here, us.

Also with buying stuff companies dont like it when people die of their products they can lose licenses or the company get hold responsible at some extent. You know how police and law works.

 

[HopeDiesLast]

At some point this will be a normal thing of the website that we will be more private as members here. But now its on open internet

So are you volunteering to start this ultra-private, super-secret forum that cannot be read, accessed or infiltrated by law enforcement and/or pro-lifers? Good luck with that...

Making this forum some "exclusive club" that only a select few can join based on some arbitrary criteria (ala EI) and/or after a complicated vetting process is doing a great disservice to those in crisis. Someone who's already on the edge probably won't have the patience to even make it through that process. The beauty of this forum is that it's accessible and inclusive.

The bottom line is: Members should use this forum in a responsible manner. Don't break any laws, i.e. don't actively encourage anyone to commit suicide, and don't provide the means for them to do so. And if you choose to purchases substances illegally, be aware of the potential consequences.

 

[Berlin76]

So are you volunteering to start this ultra-private, super-secret forum that cannot be read, accessed or infiltrated by law enforcement and/or pro-lifers? Good luck with that...

Making this forum some "exclusive club" that only a select few can join based on some arbitrary criteria (ala EI) and/or after a complicated vetting process is doing a great disservice to those in crisis. Someone who's already on the edge probably won't have the patience to even make it through that process. The beauty of this forum is that it's accessible and inclusive.

The bottom line is: Members should use this forum in a responsible manner. Don't break any laws, i.e. don't actively encourage anyone to commit suicide, and don't provide the means for them to do so. And if you choose to purchases substance illegally, be aware of the potential consequences.

You totally read me wrong i only said some more privacy for us is better.

First of all i said we need to think about whaf we post. People here have to stop blabbering about every small detail of their orders or sources. That is the best we can do and stop making How to order tread with time lines in it. These are so incriminating.

So yes totally agree with your last part of your comment

 

[Loner]

Pro-life monsters are at it. I can't even find it anywhere in the UK to buy it. [SN]

 

[deflagrat]

Pro-life monsters are at it. I can't even find it anywhere in the UK to buy it. [SN]

I can't find it in Ebay Europe either (there used to be sellers there).

You should be able to buy from Chinese sellers in Alibaba, ask them to send you a sample (25 gm).

 

[Loner]

On a website where they were selling SN a braindead i-diot left this comment. : ''When I take this shit. I won't have to walk around and look homeless anymore. I'll be able to die peacefully and without any pain. Thanks. ''
Things like this will certainly not help.

 

[Berlin76]

On a website where they were selling SN a braindead i-diot left this comment. : ''When I take this shit. I won't have to walk around and look homeless anymore. I'll be able to die peacefully and without any pain. Thanks. ''
Things like this will certainly not help.

. Wtf
Yeah so brainless people who post shit like that make things baf for the company and us here.

But the same thing happens here people mention the name of the company and when they ordered it than the whole suicide talk.
So for police it only takes one cop to go through treads and then inform the supplier that his product is being used for suicide.

 

[zherhk]

Just by searching s..... n...... suicide, this site pop up as one of the first results, with all the threads the product is listed on.

 

[TowerUpright]

On a website where they were selling SN a braindead i-diot left this comment. : ''When I take this shit. I won't have to walk around and look homeless anymore. I'll be able to die peacefully and without any pain. Thanks. ''
Things like this will certainly not help.

I wonder if that was left by a prolifer that wants SN to be regulated. Sounds very artificial.

 

[Ame]

On a website where they were selling SN a braindead i-diot left this comment. : ''When I take this shit. I won't have to walk around and look homeless anymore. I'll be able to die peacefully and without any pain. Thanks. ''
Things like this will certainly not help.

I came across that comment while searching a while back. If I remember correctly, this person was clever enough to include a photo of himself in his review of the product. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done to control what members do offsite (I am speaking generally now and not about the above mentioned guy). The best we can do is to be careful with our words I suppose.

There has been talk in the past about restricting access to the forum or at least limiting what non-members can see. I expect that this is a topic that will come up again in the future.

 

[Quarky00]

a bunch of suicidal people online aren't important enough for law enforcement to waste significant resources on

I agree with everything you wrote , but this part :)

In France 300 special police agents seized 100 bottles of SN . That ratio is horrible . This is not a drug bust . It's a "social epidemic" that "must be stopped" .

I'm not saying all resources are available and there's a concerted effort about SS etc --- but LE are overworking this issue for sure . It was never about N , it was about "suicide" ...

 

[elizabeth.luck]

Ok can anyone else confirm this? I'm confused why the op hasn't answered any of our questions? Is this fear mongering?

I've answered questions in PM's. Calm down lmao

 

[Loner]

I wonder if that was left by a prolifer that wants SN to be regulated. Sounds very artificial.

Yeah, could be, you never know.

 

[TAW122]

Ugh, I don't like vendors and sellers as well as middlemen now probing the customer for 'safety' reasons. It is rather invasive and disturbing. As far as legitimate reasons, I guess one could find some reasons such as (but not limited to) using it as a preservative for foods (meat and such), or saying that you are doing some science project, chemistry class, or other educational purposes. I don't know all the details or process and whether those reasons would suffice but those are just ideas that made sense to me.

 

[Loner]

I came across that comment while searching a while back. If I remember correctly, this person was clever enough to include a photo of himself in his review of the product. Unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done to control what members do offsite (I am speaking generally now and not about the above mentioned guy). The best we can do is to be careful with our words I suppose.

There has been talk in the past about restricting access to the forum or at least limiting what non-members can see. I expect that this is a topic that will come up again in the future.

Yep, he even included his picture. It looks like he wanted to f-k the rest of us right up.

 

[Quarky00]

People here have to stop blabbering about every small detail of their orders or sources.

@Berlin76 , That's the point , we never blabbed too much about SN suppliers . They are easily searchable without SS . I have seen perhaps 2 pictures of SN envelopes - totally generic . I've seen only 2 bottles of SN that had supplier name (others were bags, generic, supplier name hidden, etc) .

I support more privacy and low key but SN is not N .
Suppliers information is not provided .

So for police it only takes one cop to go through treads and then inform the supplier

No , you actually don't need to read threads ;)
Just know SN exists ..
If something is being actively pursued - which we don't know - it's LE/pro-lifers seeking suppliers themselves ...

 

[Loner]

I can't find it in Ebay Europe either (there used to be sellers there).

You should be able to buy from Chinese sellers in Alibaba, ask them to send you a sample (25 gm).

I think I will try that. It looks like that is the only way now.. I have a feeling that it is going to be extremely hard to get hold of it in the future... Pro-life monsters want us to suffer and use some terrible way to end our suffering.

 

[Soul]

You totally read me wrong i only said some more privacy for us is better.

First of all i said we need to think about whaf we post. People here have to stop blabbering about every small detail of their orders or sources. That is the best we can do and stop making How to order tread with time lines in it. These are so incriminating.

So yes totally agree with your last part of your comment

I also don't mean it should be an ultra exclusive site with complex vetting. Just that it seems too exposed with every post available for the whole wide world to see.

Why not leave the "recovery" and "off topic" areas totally public, but make it so one needs x number of posts/days to see all of it? Maybe with an occasional "not a bot" test for good measure. At least the partner thread and the goodbye threads could be protected from scammers and prying eyes. Or maybe vetted members could opt to stay visible only to other vetted members.

 

[SweetSpot086]

They messaged me, "Due to some problems we have had with customer misuse of this product, we now ask for the intended use in order to ensure our customers safety. What is your intended use of this product?"

Uhhhhhh.........

Did you try putting a valid use case and ordering?

 

[Berlin76]

I also don't mean it should be an ultra exclusive site with complex vetting. Just that it seems too exposed with every post available for the whole wide world to see.

Why not leave the "recovery" and "off topic" areas totally public, but make it so one needs x number of posts/days to see all of it? Maybe with an occasional "not a bot" test for good measure. At least the partner thread and the goodbye threads could be protected from scammers and prying eyes. Or maybe vetted members could opt to stay visible only to other vetted members.

Yeah that's the best option i have seen so far what you just said.
Maybe i good thing to work this out and put it in the feedback tread?

What do you think about that?