Discussion Too young argument

[Baskol1]

Many people will say youre too young to kill yourself, you have still your while life ahead of you. They are not wrong, but im autistic, so it is unlikely i will be successful in life. Besides, the future of humanity does not look good anyway. Maybe society will soon collapse anyway? The romans thought their civilization will last forever too. What do you think of this argument? That youre too young to die? And that you will have a great future ahaead of you, so killing yourself is wrong when youre still young. I guess you heard that many times too, right? Are they right?

 

[262653]

I roll my eyes inwardly every time someone mentions that I'm still young and have yet to fully experience the beauty of life. I think it's a shitty argument because it only works when you ignore the flip side.

 

[Baskol1]

I roll my eyes inwardly every time someone mentions that I'm still young and have yet to fully experience the beauty of life. And I think it's a shitty argument because it only works when you ignore the flip side.

And not everyone who is young is healthy.

 

[JimFord99]

There is no such thing as being too young for something, neither is such a thing to be too old for something. Society believe systems, that is all. Maturely or immaturely is not a measure of age.

 

[JoeFailure]

It's not really an argument.

I tend to say it because I believe someone could still have a good life even if things are bad at a young age, or if they haven't gotten out on their own yet. For me it's more of a matter of feeling really bad for young people who have CTB because they never experienced life outside of a bad school or home situation.

There's no guarantee in any of this. But for some, things do get better when they get out on their own.

 

[marcusuk63]

When there is a war on you are old enough at 18 to "Die For Your Country "

 

[Baskol1]

When there is a war on you were old enough at 18 to "Die For Your Country "

Yes thats ok, but suicide? Not okay!

 

[JimFord99]

Why not?

 

[Baskol1]

Why not?

Ask pro war pro lifers, yes they exist.

 

[Alec]

They are no one to tell me such things because age doesn't define me and it doesn't really define my situation. Also here's a logical counter argument you know how they say that old people can still enjoy the life? Then who's to say that young ppl can't suffer from life and have nothing to enjoy anymore? In any case they don't know me, every situation is different, EVERY situation, and they don't know mine and even if they did they can't judge it unless they are me, walk a mile in my shoes before you can say any opinions about my life and what it's like and what I should or shouldn't do.

 

[JimFord99]

The harsh and bitter reality of life can hit you anytime at any age, no matter what.

 

[Misanthrope]

I think the argument you are too young to die is simply invalidating of whatever pain that youth is in. Pain is pain despite age. It also addresses nothing useful and is busily engaged in one-sided prophecy. Just because life may get better when you are older and knowing that is a potential won't make a blind bit of difference to the person who is in pain in the present.

It is not helpful as advice and is dismissive of youth in general. Because they are often in a unique bind that adults no longer usually face.

For example, they are obligated to live with their parents. If your home environment is a toxic wasteland that does not result in broken bones but provokes consistent mental torment. Then too bad you are stuck in it and nothing is coming to the rescue. Unless you want to render yourself homeless like I did, but that just resulted in another toxic wasteland of experience. Going into care is also potentially pretty damaging experience even if you are rescued from broken bones it will leave different kinds of scars sadly.

Then add in the mandatory demand to attend school. If your school environment is also a toxic wasteland and you have been singled out as something to torment. Then your life is now officially a living hell.

What is baffling to me is how lightly bullying is treated. It should be treated like a fucking emergency that will result in soul death of never wanting to leave your room or be seen by people ever again. I feel the severity should be more in line with if you find out an elderly woman is being denigrated and abused daily.

I am aware it is children hurting children and criminalising them would be a mistake but at the same time, toothless bullying countermeasures do not send enough of a warning shot across the bow. In fact they seem to promote the opposite. That you can get away with it and nothing but a minor inconvenience that may even feel like a reward in of itself will happen. Stupid people will say they will grow out of it, or reference sticks and stones or other trite idiotic phrases. But child developmental psychology says otherwise. They will grow into it like any behaviour that is rewarded by an acknowledgement from their peers. A bully will eventually become an adult you find in a work environment... The damaged child may well also become a damaged adult.

I say nip it in bud early. There has to be some very sharply felt ramification on this issue. My thought on it is mandatory empathy lessons attended by the parents as well so they too are inconvenienced or gain greater insight into their own child.

Because it is not okay to torture anyone and age is the most asinine excuse for it being trivialised. A cat kicked in the face is often shown more compassion than a bullied child. I remember when I was bullied. Most responses to it were an equivalent of victim-blaming. Have you tried not to do things that will get you bullied? What like giving up my love of science and revelling in geek culture. Fuck off! Erm, sounds awfully like, have women that get raped tried not drinking alcohol and wearing short skirts. Most will condemn that view. But not so for the bullied it seems.

It is all so painfully absurd. Not enough is done to meaningfully address pain in either children, adults or elderly. The youth wind up uniquely trapped as a result. Being trapped in pain that seems eternal is a recipe for suicide in the making.

I am not interested in the age of the person in pain, more the question of what is your source of pain and how can that be addressed? Sadly there is not much in the way of meaningful support left that does not manifest like a mind-altering chemical thrown at a problem that is likely still occurring.

Which to me is as stupid as being repeatedly punched in the face and being told to take heroin so its not so bad. But at the same time nothing is done to get rid of the fist punching you in the face. A lot of society these days seems like that. Age is irrelevant to that awareness.

I could also go into the dismissive nature of referring to teenage angst like it is trivial. When they are inheriting a world on fire and will likely be breathing microplastics and witness the greatest loss of biodiversity. Whilst simultaneously being vilified for being entitled for wanting what my generation had and demanding more fairness and agency over themselves and their own future that current politics sure does not represent. It is grim to know that economically the younger generation is far worse off than I ever was in this country. That jobs for life are pretty much imaginary and at some point they will have to contend with automation. As well as being devalued by having to compete globally. Hell even just gatherings of youths that seem intimidating get broken up. Whilst simultaneously the places they used to go get shut down...

No wonder the youth is miserable and youth suicide is skyrocketing. Any way I waffled and ranted enough. I have no solutions either to these broken systems that consistently ignore sources of pain while trying to convince us we live in a civilised society.

 

[JimFord99]

Nice reply

 

[Subhuman]

"You have your whole life ahead of you" is one of those phrases that instantly fills me with dread. It's like, thanks for reminding me that there's no way I'll die of natural causes any time soon and I still have far too many decades of misery to look forward too. It's just stupid, inconsiderate, and utterly useless. I'd be floored if it ever made anyone feel better ever in the history of mankind.

im autistic, so it is unlikely i will be successful in life

I mean no disrespect but I feel like you might be giving your condition too much power sometimes. Having autism doesn't preclude someone from being successful. In another thread you mentioned lacking empathy because of autism as well. I'm neurotypical myself but I have friends on the autism spectrum and none of them is either insensitive or unsuccessful. One of them in particular has a very well-paying job in a field he's been passionate about his whole life. I'm not invalidating you and your experience with autism or anything like that, but are you sure it's wise to attribute so much negative stuff to it? I mean a century ago yes, people with autism didn't stand a single chance at a fulfilling life but nowadays saying you're unlikely to be successful because you have autism is not all that true.

Like I said I don't mean to invalidate your perspective, I'm coming from a place of concern because I recognize that pattern in myself. I've suffered from debilitating anxiety since I was a kid, so I grew up thinking I'd never be able to do literally anything because of it and I didn't see a point in even trying. When I gave that up I was able to do and experience incredible things, things that I still can't believe I pulled off. So I hope it's clear that I'm coming from a place of concern and that it doesn't sound like I'm preaching, that's the furthest from my intentions.

 

[oopswronglife]

There is no universal right and wrong in some document we can refer to. It's all based on people's morals and emotions. Most decent people feel bad when someone dies...especially so when its someone who hasn't lived much yet. That's normal. It's also true that young people's minds and bodies are still developing and you and your personality can change massively when older. So it's REASONABLE to see if that change is positive as it would be a shame to give up right before that shift. But at the end of the day the only person who has a right to choose whether you stay alive or not is you. All we can do as older people is try to advise younger people not to be rash and make decisions without all the experience.

 

[GrantMyWish]

Many people will say youre too young to kill yourself, you have still your while life ahead of you. They are not wrong, but im autistic, so it is unlikely i will be successful in life. Besides, the future of humanity does not look good anyway. Maybe society will soon collapse anyway? The romans thought their civilization will last forever too. What do you think of this argument? That youre too young to die? And that you will have a great future ahaead of you, so killing yourself is wrong when youre still young. I guess you heard that many times too, right? Are they right?

I dont care about what others say..thats their opinion.this is my life i hate it so i have the right to kill myself

 

[EmptySteph62]

I've met 16 year olds who have every right and reason to ctb and I've met a 68 year old who had every right and reason. I think pain is personal and it doesn't care how old you are. I think that unless you're living another person's life you cant ever truly judge their pain and just have to accept it for what it is. I dont think age has anything to do with it other than change certain factors that might lead someone to ctb.

 

[HGL91]

Yes thats ok, but suicide? Not okay!

Seems like signing up to fight front and center on a battlefield pretty much is suicide.

 

[Conflicted Cat]

It's just a bunch of gatekeeping, don't listen to it. (If it's coming from anyone on this site.)

 

[nooo2]

I hate that shit, I've given my therapist a story about my life and even she doesn't know what to fucking say, and completely tries to derail to another subject.
I'm 18 and doomed, and I have no intention of giving life a try.

 

[stellabelle]

Many people will say youre too young to kill yourself, you have still your while life ahead of you. They are not wrong, but im autistic, so it is unlikely i will be successful in life. Besides, the future of humanity does not look good anyway. Maybe society will soon collapse anyway? The romans thought their civilization will last forever too. What do you think of this argument? That youre too young to die? And that you will have a great future ahaead of you, so killing yourself is wrong when youre still young. I guess you heard that many times too, right? Are they right?

Hoping for the end of the world too, screw it right.
I don't know if it's wrong because of being young. I think it's devastating that people of all ages went out so badly. I do see why people think below a certain age is "too young" to die, the person deserves a chance at happiness and life, even with odds against them.

 

[Slate128]

If I had killed myself at 8 I would have dodged the next 11 years of mental illness and deficiency. Nobody is too young.

 

[WatermelonMel]

Many people will say youre too young to kill yourself, you have still your while life ahead of you. They are not wrong, but im autistic, so it is unlikely i will be successful in life. Besides, the future of humanity does not look good anyway. Maybe society will soon collapse anyway? The romans thought their civilization will last forever too. What do you think of this argument? That youre too young to die? And that you will have a great future ahaead of you, so killing yourself is wrong when youre still young. I guess you heard that many times too, right? Are they right?

I feel the same way, another argument that is used is "You'll go to hell" but this is already hell..
Doing it early will stop all the inevitable negativity waiting in the future and no one gets to say you're "too young" it's not their choice.

 

[Wayfaerer]

I envy a lot of the teenagers as most (but not all) of them have problems that could be very easily corrected such as moving out on their own and cutting off contact with toxic people. If they were able to do so, they'd probably want to stick around. It's very frustrating to me when I see such people as I'm doomed no matter where I go or what I do and I would trade places with them without a moment's hesitation.

 

[Baskol1]

I envy a lot of the teenagers as most (but not all) of them have problems that could be very easily corrected such as moving out on there own and cutting off contact with toxic people. If they were able to do so, they'd probably want to stick around. It's very frustrating to me when I see such people as I'm doomed no matter where I go or what I do and I would trade places with them without a moment's hesitation.

But there are teens with serious illnesses or disabilities too.

 

[Wayfaerer]

But there are teens with serious illnesses or disabilities too.

Yes and they are the exception. Some of them have reasons that are very understandable.

 

[JimFord99]

Hoping for the end of the world too, screw it right.
I don't know if it's wrong because of being young. I think it's devastating that people of all ages went out so badly. I do see why people think below a certain age is "too young" to die, the person deserves a chance at happiness and life, even with odds against them.

Maybe what comes after death is the happiness. Impossible to say that is true, cos once dead one cannot return.

 

[stellabelle]

Maybe what comes after death is the happiness. Impossible to say that is true, cos once dead one cannot return.

Who knows. It's sad at any age. And I've noticed that just because our bodies change, a lot of folks are still "young" on the inside.

 

[JimFord99]

Who knows. It's sad at any age. And I've noticed that just because our bodies change, a lot of folks are still "young" on the inside.

Ya, even me (sometimes).

 

[Final_frontier]

If I had killed myself at 8 I would have dodged the next 11 years of mental illness and deficiency. Nobody is too young.

Same, if I had killed myself at 12, I'd have avoided 13 years of mental illness and suffering.