Venting The Stop ss Facebook group slagging off suicidal people

[UterEntonaur]

intelligence

I don't think that word and Stop SS can be used in the same sentence

 

[Life_and_Death]

I don't think that word and Stop SS can be used in the same sentence

It can be. But only if it's preceded by 'not'

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

If I was a child and had these people as parents I'd want to commit suicide too. If you actually want to prevent children from accessing any website there are numerous ways to do that. You can set up site filters for your wifi network, you can cut off their data plan. You as a parent have literally way more responsibility over your child's well-being than some forum of sad people.

Since when has this website ever even attempted to entice kids into the website? It has been made clear plenty of times that children here are not allowed lest they ruin it for everyone else. You know what, I might as well start discouraging minors from being here.

If you're a child and you're reading this, I don't care how suicidal you are, FUCK OFF. Don't turn your parents/guardians into more of these narcissistic losers, just get off this website and leave us alone. Stop making things worse for the rest of us by giving these guys what they want. If you wanna act like a mature adult, then realize you aren't allowed here and just go away.

 

[InterstateFlowers]

Saw this and teared up. What did I ever do to them? Why are you so mean to me? Can't you see I'm a person like you too, y'know? Why are you pushing me down this ledge instead of helping me up? It hurts and aches and burns..

But then what about the people close to them who killed themselves? It once hurt, ached, and burned for them like I am feeling right now and instead of trying to help me or suicidal people, they call us these horrible names?! Deep down, I know they don't care and are just bonded by blind hate but it still sucks..

 

[LakatosDiogenesz]

If I was a child and had these people as parents I'd want to commit suicide too. If you actually want to prevent children from accessing any website there are numerous ways to do that. You can set up site filters for your wifi network, you can cut off their data plan. You as a parent have literally way more responsibility over your child's well-being than some forum of sad people.

Pretty much. What is it with these entitled people thinking that they have the right to ban shit because "muh kids"? It's not up to some internet anons to raise anyone's children.

 

[Chronicillness]

Not sure what reactions you guys are/were expecting by waltzing into a private FB group, whose main feature is pro-life activism and advocating for the censorship of peaceful pill education/how-to's. You guys would pounce on pro-life rhetoric and verbally eviscerate the poster if they came to SS.

Remind me again -- what's the purpose of engaging with these people? What is the reasoning behind leaving your egotistical entrails for them to publicly crucify? Because you are giving them momentum by mearly just engaging with them, and the entrails of your egos that you leave behind are literally used as momentos for legal purposes, and those screenshots can be weaponized against this website. And I know this isn't just passive-respectful engagement, it's two attack dogs from both sides of the aisle who've got their teeth lock-jawed into the other person's neck. Absolutely pointless discussion. Of course they don't care about suicidal individuals outside of their most loved ones, e.g. the sons/daughters of theirs who have killed themselves. They aren't different from anyone else. Literally NO ONE cares if you're suicidal. Why would these people embrace you any differently?

 

[TessB]

Not sure what reactions you guys are/were expecting by waltzing into a private FB group, whose main feature is pro-life activism and advocating for the censorship of peaceful pill education/how-to's. You guys would pounce on pro-life rhetoric and verbally eviscerate the poster if they came to SS.

Remind me again -- what's the purpose of engaging with these people? What is the reasoning behind leaving your egotistical entrails for them to publicly crucify? Because you are giving them momentum by mearly just engaging with them, and the entrails of your egos that you leave behind are literally used as momentos for legal purposes, and those screenshots can be weaponized against this website. And I know this isn't just passive-respectful engagement, it's two attack dogs from both sides of the aisle who've got their teeth lock-jawed into the other person's neck. Absolutely pointless discussion. Of course they don't care about suicidal individuals outside of their most loved ones, e.g. the sons/daughters of theirs who have killed themselves. They aren't different from anyone else. Literally NO ONE cares if you're suicidal. Why would these people embrace you any differently?

I can only speak for myself.. but I have suffered from mental illness more or less from childhood.. and NEVER have I found understanding that even comes close to what I get here. I keep trying to find it out in the world from friends, family, professionals but no.. true acceptance and non judgemental understanding of the dark side of my ideation alongside comfort, support and humour only exists here in this unique place.
I have also lived life never having anyone have my back or defend me.. it's something that has been an issue over and over. As a consequence I am a fierce defender and fighter for those I love and for things I feel passionate about. I believe in this place! And knowing it was being attacked, I needed to know what was being said..
At this point I should say I'm very self aware of how bpd effects me.. I am 100% reckless and 100% spontaneous in my decisions, I'm also entirely driven by emotion.. ss is the place in the world I can be very clear and open about that.. I'm not going to apologise for it.
The stop ss social media pages put forward such biased crap with blatant lies and yes they are grieving parents.. and I have had message exchanges with both Chip and others expressing my absolute sympathy with that.. BUT. I can't stand by and see the place I call home attacked unjustly, lied about, fellow members referred to as freaks, evil, and accused of not even being suicidal on a public forum.
You may be able to stay silent, remain dignified and ignore this stuff.. what can I say? You are lucky to be able to be that way.. I'm reactive by nature and in this case I'm ok with that.
Im not being egotistical at all.. I don't think that's fair. I tend to engage with drama like this wherever I find it in life.. If you knew me outside here you'd know I'm a mess, I make stupid mistakes, I'm belligerent, I'm neurotic, I'm embarrassing.. please don't shame me and call me egotistical when all I'm doing is standing up for this forum of which you are also a member. X

 

[demuic]

Pretty much. What is it with these entitled people thinking that they have the right to ban shit because "muh kids"? It's not up to some internet anons to raise anyone's children.

Parents these days allow the internet, TV, etc to raise their children instead of themselves and then act shocked when that causes problems.

 

[LunarPyotr]

I'm really glad that I don't have any Facebook account. This is one of the reasons why I never created one. There is so much BS on that platform and I really hope those idiots just die out one day or something like that.

 

[CatabolicSeed]

Who would go back to "violent video games"? Fixthe26?

Yeah, as in blaming it for all their kids' problems

 

[autisticalex]

If I was a child and had these people as parents I'd want to commit suicide too. If you actually want to prevent children from accessing any website there are numerous ways to do that. You can set up site filters for your wifi network, you can cut off their data plan. You as a parent have literally way more responsibility over your child's well-being than some forum of sad people.

Since when has this website ever even attempted to entice kids into the website? It has been made clear plenty of times that children here are not allowed lest they ruin it for everyone else. You know what, I might as well start discouraging minors from being here.

If you're a child and you're reading this, I don't care how suicidal you are, FUCK OFF. Don't turn your parents/guardians into more of these narcissistic losers, just get off this website and leave us alone. Stop making things worse for the rest of us by giving these guys what they want. If you wanna act like a mature adult, then realize you aren't allowed here and just go away.

well first of all the goverement has more responsibility and control over children than the parents do, for example children are forced to go to school and learn certain subjects obviously some comprimeses can be made such as homeschooling and religious exclusions from certain topics, and the government have every right to remove children from bad livign situations and place them in social care if the parents are not meeting the level of care expected of them chosen by the law makers in this country.... saying that is entirely the parents responsibility to ensure that children aren't accessing suicide websites completely negates every single policy in place and children can and have been forcefully removed from their parents by social services... so i think it is a very narrow viewpoint to have that parents should be responsible for their children and goverement shouldn't get involved. when already how raised child is policed largely by the goverement and the parents just follow the rules given to them and if they break it the goverement will take their children.
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but a lot of people who kill themselves probably had trauma from childhood abuse, maybe they never even realised because they thought the abuse was normal. the family members of those that kill themselves are probably not the best people to be rooting for such a cause, a lot of the time they were probably part of the reason they killed themselves. Most parents are terrible anyway, I think they get bossed around all day at work living a shitty life and being controlling over a hopeless child gets to their head and they start taking their anger out on the child, same with dog owners. parents shouldn't have children unless they are satisfied with their life as they will want to live through their child and push unfair expectations on their child and not allow them to live life how they want. Just showing them off as a trophy "my child got into oxford", "my child became a lawyer"... always want they want the child to be and never respecting what they child wants to be.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

well first of all the goverement has more responsibility and control over children than the parents do, for example children are forced to go to school and learn certain subjects obviously some comprimeses can be made such as homeschooling and religious exclusions from certain topics, and the government have every right to remove children from bad livign situations and place them in social care if the parents are not meeting the level of care expected of them chosen by the law makers in this country.... saying that is entirely the parents responsibility to ensure that children aren't accessing suicide websites completely negates every single policy in place and children can and have been forcefully removed from their parents by social services... so i think it is a very narrow viewpoint to have that parents should be responsible for their children and goverement shouldn't get involved. when already how raised child is policed largely by the goverement and the parents just follow the rules given to them and if they break it the goverement will take their children.
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but a lot of people who kill themselves probably had trauma from childhood abuse, maybe they never even realised because they thought the abuse was normal. the family members of those that kill themselves are probably not the best people to be rooting for such a cause, a lot of the time they were probably part of the reason they killed themselves. Most parents are terrible anyway, I think they get bossed around all day at work living a shitty life and being controlling over a hopeless child gets to their head and they start taking their anger out on the child, same with dog owners. parents shouldn't have children unless they are satisfied with their life as they will want to live through their child and push unfair expectations on their child and not allow them to live life how they want. Just showing them off as a trophy "my child got into oxford", "my child became a lawyer"... always want they want the child to be and never respecting what they child wants to be.

I never actually said that parents are solely responsible for their children, just way moreso than some forum of depressed people or any other random website should ever be. You're right about the government having a substantial role in child welfare though. I'm just saying that for matters like these governments aren't really meant to be involved (though that depends on where you live). Generally, if a child is watching gore or porn on 4chan, the government likely won't (or shouldn't) be sending SWAT teams to the child's house to make them stop. It's up to the parents to step in and do something about it like setting up filters. That's all I'm asking.

 

[autisticalex]

I never actually said that parents are solely responsible for their children, just way moreso than some forum of depressed people or any other random website should ever be. You're right about the government having a substantial role in child welfare though. I'm just saying that for matters like these governments aren't really meant to be involved (though that depends on where you live). Generally, if a child is watching gore or porn on 4chan, the government likely won't (or shouldn't) be sending SWAT teams to the child's house to make them stop. It's up to the parents to step in and do something about it like setting up filters. That's all I'm asking.

so i am kinda a liberation and believe in freedom away from institutions (a long with goverement) but there should be way more done to prevent children from accessing sites like gore sites. Just having filters in place on the routers that parents have to manly opt out of is a good start. for example tv companies have to follow a watershed so it reduces the risk of children seeing explicit types of content on tv, obviously the goverement cant force parents to put their children in bed at a certain time and prevent them watching explicit shows however its worth lowering the amount of children at risk of seeing explicit content and its not normalised either. saying that children can get around the restrictions anyway, so its pointless to restrict is like saying people get murdered anyway so its pointless to have laws against murder.

yes educating the parents on how to set up content filters is a good start but still there are lots of parents who don't have the knowelde of technology to do this.

i think that the content that people watch has a massive impact on them, i know people laugh at the violent video games cause violence narrative but i really do think that there is a good reason that games and movies come with certain age restrictions (that are mostly just ignored anyway).

they are right tho that the best way to prevent children from accessing sites like these are making them as hards as possible to get access to, constantly closing them down and driving them underground, getting search engines to refuse to index them, isps to block the sites, hosting companies to refuse to host it, domain name companies to refuse to use the domain, making them as hard to access and as underground as possible prevents as many children from accessing the content as possible.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

they are right tho that the best way to prevent children from accessing sites like these are making them as hards as possible to get access to, constantly closing them down and driving them underground, getting search engines to refuse to index them, isps to block the sites, hosting companies to refuse to host it, domain name companies to refuse to use the domain, making them as hard to access and as underground as possible prevents as many children from accessing the content as possible.

Are you suggesting the site go more underground then? It's already out from Google in some countries. Whining to hosts and domain companies is the last thing we want since that already recently forced this site to move and change its url. Ironically most people only found the new url because of the pro lifers being dense as usual and blaring it out anyway.

I'm all for adding more new measures to shut out minors but only as long as current members who are perfectly above the legal age can still access the site with no extra hassle. I have no ideas of my own beyond maybe ID verification but as people have mentioned before that would just open up too many privacy concerns...

 

[saltshaker]

Fuck "protecting" people, just make SS more censorship resistant and laugh about it.

 

[autisticalex]

Are you suggesting the site go more underground then? It's already out from Google in some countries. Whining to hosts and domain companies is the last thing we want since that already recently forced this site to move and change its url. Ironically most people only found the new url because of the pro lifers being dense as usual and blaring it out anyway.

I'm all for adding more new measures to shut out minors but only as long as current members who are perfectly above the legal age can still access the site with no extra hassle. I have no ideas of my own beyond maybe ID verification but as people have mentioned before that would just open up too many privacy concerns...

yes, the only way to make this site harder to access for minors is to make this site harder to access for everyone. deplatforming is the best option for them...
personally i donnt care about anything but death but from their pov i would try to deplatform the website

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

yes, the only way to make this site harder to access for minors is to make this site harder to access for everyone. deplatforming is the best option for them...
personally i donnt care about anything but death but from their pov i would try to deplatform the website

Well it kind of is as deplatformed as possible since again it's showing up on less and less search engines. I'm pretty sure the site was blocked off except for certain sections to non members, though I don't know if that's still in effect...

 

[Symbiote]

Ah yes, let's cower in fear of the pro-lifers and hide from them by going underground.

As of right now, all the pro-lifers group does is antagonize us to fight against them, but we don't give them the time of day to do such things, so they resort to making up stories that we have young'uns on here and that we troll vulnerable populations to gain more members. We're doing something right when the pro-lifers have ran out of things to talk about while they stew in their own inability to get this place shut down.

 

[Tkmiz_Tsukumizu]

Ah yes, let's cower in fear of the pro-lifers and hide from them by going underground.

As of right now, all the pro-lifers group does is antagonize us to fight against them, but we don't give them the time of day to do such things, so they resort to making up stories that we have young'uns on here and that we troll vulnerable populations to gain more members. We're doing something right when the pro-lifers have ran out of things to talk about while they stew in their own inability to get this place shut down.

Imagine having nothing better to do in the weekend but try and get a website shut down what a waste of time. They should try a hobby .

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Imagine having nothing better to do in the weekend but try and get a website shut down what a waste of time. They should try a hobby .

Does planning your suicide count as a hobby?

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

About the attempt of the facebook website to condemn SS for luring teens:
I have found this website a few years ago when I was desperately searching in Google how to commit suicide. And even after having found it, it took me awhile before deciding to subscribe; even if I was already a young adult.
Now, why is an underage person searching for such things on google without any supervision and without feeling scared away?
It is quite unusual that a teenager has such determination.
Probably things have changed a lot from when I was a teenager; parents do allow their kids to grow up uncontrolled, letting them interact with total strangers and adults in internet. That's absurd, considering the high amount of diseducative content in internet.
Often young people are led to bad examples by adults that they know, before they start ideating such things on their own. When I was 18, internet was starting to become popular; and I obtained my first access to it. I didn't know at all what I could find in it and, being unfamiliar with it, it felt scary what I could have caused. At that time a friend of my father asked me "you haven't searched for porn yet, have you?". That was the first time someone told me about it..

 

[popcorn]

im sure that nihill person is a relation of joe, his family have been very active in the media talking about this site and SN availability.

uno i have to say, i feel for joe and hope he is at peace, i feel for his family's grief too losing someone is hard. but the way he hung SS out to dry in his suicide note makes no sense to me. why would he blame his suicide on this site and vilify it the way he did. i find it annoying tbh

he died by suicide because of a long history of depression, and it being 'his time' no one here told him to go ctb. so wtf is their problem. if anything they shud be glad he didn't have to jump in front of a train or mess up partial and end up a vegative state.

 

[TwoTenEightyEight]

Those people are hurt; they feel the need to attack a straw man. Not only do they not realize their contradiction, they must react only by way of attack. If they do anything at all, it'd be cause more suicides. Their egos are delicate and it's their way or nothing at all.

 

[checkouttime]

If any of the fixthe26 or stop ss members want help finding SN or N they only needed to ask politely, they didn't have to trash their kids memory all over FB and set up fake profiles on here, we can help you join your kids don't worry. i imagine we can help you find exactly the same source as they did i'm sure. obviously what you choose to do with it is your own choice., we don't encourage on here like on your sites.

Its ok to be angry, when you know it was all your fault for your bad parenting. you could of done much more, if you could of been arsed making the effort. blaming others won't help you, honestly. wooosahhhhhh

 

[Pure]

but the way he hung SS out to dry in his suicide note makes no sense to me. why would he blame his suicide on this site and vilify it the way he did. i find it annoying tbh

Yeah it's so bonkers personally. "I've benefited from SS so now I want it shut down so other people don't find it"???

Maybe he was mad and upset that nobody held his hand and told him to change his mind because deep down he didn't want to die but was going through the motions? Idk we can only speculate but if that was the case then that's sorely lack of personal responsibility on his part....you can't expect internet randos to babysit you....or expect us to know what's truly in your heart unless you explicitly describe what you're feeling.

Personally, talking in depth about my suicide plans and what I wanted to accomplish from it is what prompted users on here to tell me to not/reconsider suicide and instead seek some alternative treatment methods that may be the solution to what I want to get from suicide but not experience physical death.

Life sucks but SS has helped me delayed my ctb at least for the next several months despite how much pain I'm in and this website is so important in keeping me stable just to know there's a group of people who understand what it's like to be deeply depressed.

 

[upthedownescalatorr]

Tbh I'm worried if after I ctb it's discovered I was a user here and people try to blame SS for my demise rather than the failure of mental health services which caused it.

 

[clown_17]

I'm scared to mention the Facebook group because I'm scared they'll berate or dox me. They do nothing to prevent suicide

 

[settheory]

Eh, not surprised. The majority (almost all?) of people in the world were and are like that or even worse. And those comments are not even among the most depressing comments on suicidal people, particular ones and in general. There are lots of even uglier ones, much so.

 

[blue_muse]

Just so I have Stop SS's logic right: "Don't join an online community of 'misfits'. But, in real life we'll happily discourage you from acting on your suicidal tendencies through our hateful, bullying, condescending and sanctimonious attitude towards the vulnerable.". Ok then...

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I'm scared to mention the Facebook group because I'm scared they'll berate or dox me.

If I got berated and doxxed by anti-choicers I'd probably end up suicidal in my parents' basement with no future prospects of any kind.