The Sin of Suicide.

[Ruru-san]

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks!

 

[GoSan1]

Im planning to ctb tonight, and while I wouldn't call myself a Christian with all my sins and not even being baptized, that too is my biggest fear. I prayed up to this part for signs, for things to please block me from committing it if its wrong, but everything rather went well for me. I was easily able to access most of the things I needed.

Either way, Hell terrifies me, its so scary and my only fear once I am dead. I do not know if it is a sin, but just like any other sin, I hope God can forgive that one too...

Hope things go well for you.

 

[cloudyskye]

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks!

Ist I'm sorry but not all Christians believe suicide sends you straight to hell. That's catholics and they do not speak for all Christians. Jesus himself said the only unforgivable sin is not believing. (blasphemy of the holy spirit)
2nd if you're a Christian you should know once a Christian always a Christian. There's nothing that can "take" you're Christianity. Jesus also said this many times.
If this idea truly bothers you and you are a Christian please do some research look it up in the bible yourself and you will be reassured.

 

[roadkill111]

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks

death it's

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks!

I think that after death it's just eternal sleep

 

[HeartThatFeeds]

Suicide is the act of intentionally taking your life, if you refuse help you are not downright killing yourself but instead just allowing yourself to die without medical intervention. However I don't think suicide will take you to hell or that hell is real, I think hell is honestly a thing made up into scaring those into submission, a lot of things in the Bie were intentionally changed to oppress people or groups others didn't like, and the original texts the Bible was from does not mention a hell, so even if God where to exist I do not believe a hell would

 

[KillingPain267]

The Bible never said what you've been told.

 

[avalonisburning]

Conventional Christian wisdom says that if you commit a murder, you're going to Hell. A convenient extension has often been made from that point to say that suicide is a form of murder, just aimed at yourself, which means you're still going to Hell, even if the act came from a place of severe desperation and suffering.

This logic falls flat because suicide is not self-murder. You can't murder yourself, the same way you can't rape or steal from yourself. Those are actions that fundamentally involve violating the autonomy and agency of another party.

 

[cloudyskye]

Catholics do not believe it is certain that someone who commits suicide will go to hell.

Yes they do I've spoken to priests, bishops and have heard popes say it. If you're catholic you know this.

Conventional Christian wisdom says that if you commit a murder, you're going to Hell.

That is not conventional Christian wisdom. That is catholic dogma. Conventional Christian wisdom is that all sins are forgivable except unbelief.

 

[cloudyskye]

I have the Catechism of the Catholic Church here, so I'll just quote the bit that applies:

"Grave psychological disturbances, anguish or grave fear of hardship, suffering or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."

Suicide is off course a sin though, so you do risk hell.

Hahaha let me guess a large indulgence will help your loved on get to heaven. Oh and salutary repentance is a myth told to make families feel better. It's not biblical but then again most catholic teaching isn't biblical. Jesus himself says repentance must be done in life. Once you die its to late. And again you do NOT risk hell by committing suicide if you're a Christian. Nothing can separate you from God once you accept. Maybe you should read the Bible instead of catholic gobbledygook written to make money.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

The Bible never said what you've been told.

The bible is written by humans. It's been passed over, translated, censored again and again. It's a man made tale. It's been corrupted.

You know the game where you put 10 people next to each other and the first one has to whisper something to th person next to him and son? By the time the 10th person has to say the message out loud it's nowhere near the original message. That's the bible.

 

[KillingPain267]

The bible is written by humans. It's been passed over, translated, censored again and again. It's a man made tale. It's been corrupted.

You know the game where you put 10 people next to each other and the first one has to whisper something to th person next to him and son? By the time the 10th person has to say the message out loud it's nowhere near the original message. That's the bible.

That's nonsense. The Bible was not whispered to people from generation to generation but written. Your standard for texts would invalidate almost every historical document and method out there.

 

[Anhaedra]

I dont know about christianity, but in Islam (the religion I was raised on but dont believe in anymore) says that its a forgivable sin.

 

[altkey]

I dont know about christianity, but in Islam (the religion I was raised on but dont believe in anymore) says that its a forgivable sin.

Really? Islam says it's forgivable?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

That's nonsense. The Bible was not whispered to people from generation to generation but written. Your standard for texts would invalidate almost every historical document and method out there.

The original would be a historical document. Where is it? Do you have it? You act like written documents can't be corrupted. This can happen in translation (translation = treason) or simply because the one copying it sees something he doesn't like and changes it. The Church has been known to do that.

But hey, if you think the modern bible is exactly the same as the (never been found) original, I'll leave you to it. Me, I'm not that naive and I'm not going to waste my time any further on debating it.

 

[axab43]

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks!

Suicide will not send you straight to hell. It is a sin but it is no worse than any other sin that people made every day. People have the wrong idea of CHristianity. Basically, it is based on a compassionate God who saw that people had messed up the life He created them for, could not make it on their own because they went their own way so Jesus came to put that right, so that anyone who accepts what He wants to do for them can live. Some people have this idea of a God with a big stick judging. Suicide is no worse than anything else that people do wrong, so it will not send anyone straight to hell in itself. There is nothing in the Bible that says that. I am a Christian and I am seriously suicidal. I have no fear of it at all or God rejecting people for that reason.

Hahaha let me guess a large indulgence will help your loved on get to heaven. Oh and salutary repentance is a myth told to make families feel better. It's not biblical but then again most catholic teaching isn't biblical. Jesus himself says repentance must be done in life. Once you die its to late. And again you do NOT risk hell by committing suicide if you're a Christian. Nothing can separate you from God once you accept. Maybe you should read the Bible instead of catholic gobbledygook written to make money.

WHy are you calling what others say "goobledygook?" And she never mentioned any indulgence, I've never heard of such a thing. Are you a Christian, as if so, can you speak to other people with respect and respect their beliefs. This forum is obviously already full of traumatised people by nature of their being here, we could all try and be kind in how we word things.

 

[KillingPain267]

The original would be a historical document. Where is it? Do you have it? You act like written documents can't be corrupted. This can happen in translation (translation = treason) or simply because the one copying it sees something he doesn't like and changes it. The Church has been known to do that.

But hey, if you think the modern bible is exactly the same as the (never been found) original, I'll leave you to it. Me, I'm not that naive and I'm not going to waste my time any further on debating it.

There are thousands of manuscripts preserved. We can access the original text by comparing all the manuscripts and reconstructing the original message. This is very simple. Errors and deliberate changes can happen in one copy, and especially in translations, but the same error cannot happen at the same time in all copies. It's also been proven in experimental games, such as guessing how many marbles there are in a jar, that if you take the the average of what a group of people guess, then the average is eerily close to the truth of how many marbles there actually are. The original Bible is not passed down like a telephone game, but by thousands of copies. There are approximately 5,800 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. In addition, there are 10,000 Latin manuscripts, and 9,300 manuscripts in other languages. Compare them all, and you get the original in a reconstruction. There are also no original manuscripts from Plato, Socrates, or Aristotle. What we have are only copies of their works created by later scholars. The works of Plato and Aristotle have been transmitted through medieval manuscripts and translations.

 

[Whiskey19]

Sooo, I was brought up heavily Christian and obviously one of the rules I was told was that "suicide is a sin and would send you straight to hell". Whether I believe this or not doesn't matter because I've already had that phrase drilled into me along with the fear.

I've just been contemplating , where do you draw the line between suicide and just letting yourself die? I've never had the bravery to outright commit suicide but I've been wondering . If i were in a situation where if I didn't call for help / seek medical attention would result in my death (not by any self inflicted wound) would this biblically count as suicide? For example if I were bleeding out on the floor and I chose to just lay there even though I had the strength to get help, would this be considered suicide in the eyes of God?

Just need any Christian to help me out here because it's something that's been bothering me and would love an answer before I'm ever put In a situation like that. Thanks!

I've never heard any Christian say suicide is a sin. Most pastors say someone wanting to commit suicide is not in the right state of mind and it's not their fault. It's Catholics that say it's a sin.

 

[Anhaedra]

Really? Islam says it's forgivable?

Yes, its a cardinal sin but if its done out of a sickness such as mental illness or physical illness its forgivable according to the experts I asked.

 

[Amarajoy]

My beliefs are Catholic and they say:

"A person has a moral obligation to use ordinary or proportionate means of preserving his or her life. Proportionate means are those that in the judgment of the patient offer a reasonable hope of benefit and do not entail an excessive burden or impose excessive expense on the family or the community."

So yes (from a catholic standpoint), you are meant to seek help. I understand you trying to look for a loophole. I'm trying to do the same thing at the moment by trying to refuse CPR if I stop breathing or my heart stops, but unfortunately the catholic church says because I am young and physically would respond well to CPR I'm obligated to have it.

Catholics do not believe it is certain that someone who commits suicide will go to hell.

But this was written long before modern medicine. Why are obligated to use modern medicine? If you had a heart attack and it was the time before CPR. Why is it considered moral and right for people to extend your life past your natural death?