Method The "night-night" method mega thread.

[Essie]

There are no "cures" for any of the issues I have. IveI only had 3 doctors in 20+ years who even tried to help although they didnt even know what POTS or EDS were at the time. The goal is to treat symptoms, i.e. pain, but with some other genetic issues I have I am very limited in what meds I can even take. I basically need opiates and the dose needs to be at least doubled.

Thank you for the information! My gosh. It sounds very trying. If I recall, I think I read posts from you way back in Oct., unless someone else has your same condition here on the site. (Edit: I noticed you just joined, so it is someone else with the similar condition.) I am in similar shoes as you, but mine are from medical errors and a pregnancy that moved my pelvis. Wrote a short version of the story up here--it was way worse and more complicated in real life:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-does-your-typical-day-look-like.4662/page-2#post-105784

That car wreck sounds awful. I hope you didn't sustain injuries. I am not too familiar with your condition but have read about it when looking into mine. From what I know, prolotherapy does not work for people with your condition, but have you looked into it in any case in case I am mistaken? I am too leery of Drs anymore to let anyone touch me ever again, so I am not doing that myself, even if it might help. They would have to do practically every joint in my body, and I won't be able to deal with the pain it causes on top of the pain I am in.

I have been entirely housebound and mostly bedridden for the last 3 years. I have only gone to Dr appts during pregnancy and after I gave birth and PT right after the injuries (for 3 mo). I have not even bathed in 7 mo after the pain of doing so once or twice a month got too severe to keep trying to. I had been unable to right after the injuries, and I had no idea not bathing for a week or so would make skin (invisibly) build up, so now it comes off after I get wet and takes about 7 hrs to remove, by rubbing with your hands all oiled up, which is brutally hard when in pain. Being so icky is making me want to CTB ASAP!

I was only given the options of Tramadol, Soma, and Gabapentin--none worked. I tried everything I could find online from supplements, oils, devices (TENS, Infrared) various PT programs. Now I am out of the Rx painkillers and only on Tylenol/aspirin, and I won't see another Dr for that worthless junk that wouldn't even let me be able to take a shower. I am in the same shoes as you as for the pain clinic. I can't even get to one b/c it is 1/2hr away, and go knows how many MRIs and imaging tests they'd then put me through, which is impossible in this amount of pain. I've even been living w/ an abscessed tooth the last year b/c I can't sit to have it fixed or make the 10 min car ride again for the treatment appt. It is just miserable. Yes, all the Drs diminish it and act like it should not be too painful. Even my family is very disbelieving of me, claiming I should have healed (despite that torn tendons and ligaments and muscles never heal fully, much less my spine and pelvis being all askew).

I had something similar to you when I had a panic disorder for 2 years in my 20s. My heart rate would go sky-high at literally everything. I also used to faint constantly from hormonal issues, starting as a teen, and once almost died from cracking my head on a toilet when I fell. Was unconscious for a day in the hospital before coming to. That cleared up in my 20s.

I have a lot of issues regarding eating that began in pregnancy and continued till this day, likely on account of pain and hormones. I almost starved to death in Oct. by not being able to eat food, and then couldn't take water other than tiny sips. I was losing 1-2 lbs per day, which is bad because I was always thin and only 100 lbs to begin with. Now I can eat mostly only white-flour things in small amounts, like a bite of a bagel or pretzels. I am making headway on this issue since Oct. and am back up at weight now (100lbs). I used to be a super-healthy eater prepreg, and now I am so nutrient deficient that I am surprised I am not dying from that after 3 years.

It is just so brutal, and I can totally empathize with you. I am so sorry but at least glad someone out there understands, as I have been getting treated terribly the last 3 years by Drs and family on account of them not getting it.

Thank you so much again for the reply. It was heartening to talk to someone who is going through something similar.

 

[FML0000000]

Thank you for the information! My gosh. It sounds very trying. If I recall, I think I read posts from you way back in Oct., unless someone else has your same condition here on the site. (Edit: I noticed you just joined, so it is someone else with the similar condition.) I am in similar shoes as you, but mine are from medical errors and a pregnancy that moved my pelvis. Wrote a short version of the story up here--it was way worse and more complicated in real life:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-does-your-typical-day-look-like.4662/page-2#post-105784

That car wreck sounds awful. I hope you didn't sustain injuries. I am not too familiar with your condition but have read about it when looking into mine. From what I know, prolotherapy does not work for people with your condition, but have you looked into it in any case in case I am mistaken? I am too leery of Drs anymore to let anyone touch me ever again, so I am not doing that myself, even if it might help. They would have to do practically every joint in my body, and I won't be able to deal with the pain it causes on top of the pain I am in.

I have been entirely housebound and mostly bedridden for the last 3 years. I have only gone to Dr appts during pregnancy and after I gave birth and PT right after the injuries (for 3 mo). I have not even bathed in 7 mo after the pain of doing so once or twice a month got too severe to keep trying to. I had been unable to right after the injuries, and I had no idea not bathing for a week or so would make skin (invisibly) build up, so now it comes off after I get wet and takes about 7 hrs to remove, by rubbing with your hands all oiled up, which is brutally hard when in pain. Being so icky is making me want to CTB ASAP!

I was only given the options of Tramadol, Soma, and Gabapentin--none worked. I tried everything I could find online from supplements, oils, devices (TENS, Infrared) various PT programs. Now I am out of the Rx painkillers and only on Tylenol/aspirin, and I won't see another Dr for that worthless junk that wouldn't even let me be able to take a shower. I am in the same shoes as you as for the pain clinic. I can't even get to one b/c it is 1/2hr away, and go knows how many MRIs and imaging tests they'd then put me through, which is impossible in this amount of pain. I've even been living w/ an abscessed tooth the last year b/c I can't sit to have it fixed or make the 10 min car ride again for the treatment appt. It is just miserable. Yes, all the Drs diminish it and act like it should not be too painful. Even my family is very disbelieving of me, claiming I should have healed (despite that torn tendons and ligaments and muscles never heal fully, much less my spine and pelvis being all askew).

I had something similar to you when I had a panic disorder for 2 years in my 20s. My heart rate would go sky-high at literally everything. I also used to faint constantly from hormonal issues, starting as a teen, and once almost died from cracking my head on a toilet when I fell. Was unconscious for a day in the hospital before coming to. That cleared up in my 20s.

I have a lot of issues regarding eating that began in pregnancy and continued till this day, likely on account of pain and hormones. I almost starved to death in Oct. by not being able to eat food, and then couldn't take water other than tiny sips. I was losing 1-2 lbs per day, which is bad because I was always thin and only 100 lbs to begin with. Now I can eat mostly only white-flour things in small amounts, like a bite of a bagel or pretzels. I am making headway on this issue since Oct. and am back up at weight now (100lbs). I used to be a super-healthy eater prepreg, and now I am so nutrient deficient that I am surprised I am not dying from that after 3 years.

It is just so brutal, and I can totally empathize with you. I am so sorry but at least glad someone out there understands, as I have been getting treated terribly the last 3 years by Drs and family on account of them not getting it.

Thank you so much again for the reply. It was heartening to talk to someone who is going through something similar.

It's like we are pain twins but with different conditions. I also loathe doctors now. When I read all of their dictated notes when I was going through my medical records to apply for disability I was disgusted by how degrading they spoke of me as a person and of the conditions they clearly do not believe I suffer from because they are dinosaurs who graduated from med school in the 60s. I'm not even kidding. One of my doctors just retired and he entered practice in 1967....

Maybe I can post a picture of my weird little set up that I tried for the night-light method. It did work. Even with the knot tied loosely I was out for 34 minutes. I woke up to a bunch of texts from my friend I'd been chatting with and if I hadn't had those timestamps for reference I would have only thought I was out for only a few minutes at most. If my N doesn't make it then I know for sure I'll be using this as my backup method.

And I'll say it again, doctors are really awful these days. Even if you find a good one who listens and genuinely wants to help there's always some paper pusher at the insurance company rearing to deny your claim for whatever treatment. My brain is f***ked and I constantly have MRIs and CTs denied just because they can't diagnose the problem even though it is plainly visible, even to me, when I look at the images.

Maybe I think the grass is greener but, for example, when I go to Canada or any other country with socialized medicine the people are so much nicer and happier in general. I would be too if I didn't have to choose between food and medicine every damn month. I, too, am bedridden. I finally found someone to give me a ride to the doctor so I can get her to sign off on a Rx for a better wheelchair and a disabled placard for my car. I just don't want to live like anymore this period.

 

[bigj75]

practicing now

 

[Deleted member 4288]

practicing now

same, can't faint though :(

 

[bigj75]

same, can't faint though :(

they said takes about 15 minutes to find the sweet spot.

If this doesn't work I'll end up using a rope like this

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a6f_1380593191

 

[Minudah]

Would blood thinners keep this method from working? Or how would they affect this?

 

[bigj75]

Would blood thinners keep this method from working? Or how would they affect this?

I don't think blood thinner would do much.

 

[Minudah]

I don't think blood thinner would do much.

I hope you're right. Thinking I'll be trying it on Sunday or Monday. I have health issues that I take medication with major blood thinning as a side-effect, which thins it enough to make me bruise and bleed over everything and nothing. I'd rather not have them bothering me while I try to CTB, especially since my health issues would get in the way of this method, but the more I read about the failures the more I feel afraid to try it.

 

[NotWorthLiving]

I've been trying to practice and find the carotid arteries but I haven't been able to.

What sensations are you supposed to feel if you do press them in the right spot?

 

[Kooz]

You will find your pulse when you found your carotids. Applying pressure to them will lead to dizziness when they're correctly compressed. The harder you push, the faster you will become dizzy or pass out.

Again, as stated throughout this entire thread, were going for the carotid arterys and trying to compress them as it will cut off basically 98% of blood to the brain.

It is a super fast method that is completely unforgiving when done properly. Meaning that it's fast and it will kill you.

As with all the other methods though, something could go wrong. If you don't verse yourself with the method then you increase your chances of messing up.

If you decide to inebriate yourself with alcohol or decide to take drugs then your chance of failing increase even more.

So I urge everyone new to this thread, as always, read everything. Don't be discouraged by others people failing either.

It's your life and you get to decide how to end it if you want. No one else's experience should influence yours other than you learning where they failed and making sure you don't follow their foot steps. @Prime has CTB with this method and I'm getting closer to my CTB date as well.

I will most likely not post a goodbye post. After that happens too, it will be up to all the other members to try to explain the method. The good thing is the method is super easy to explain with all the answered questions already.

The bad thing is that you as a community will decide how to police these comments when I finally CTB. Please do not lead members in a path that makes them avoid this method. It does work.

Only the person using this method improperly can make it fail.

 

[NotWorthLiving]

Thankyou!! Found them
Got dizzy, nearly passed out.
Now I gotta just get the rachet

 

[Philip]

Thankyou!! Found them
Got dizzy, nearly passed out.
Now I gotta just get the rachet

How did you find them? I have so much trouble trying to find them...

 

[NotWorthLiving]

I looked on the first page of posts briefly and combined with what @Kooz said I managed to do it. It was something @Prime said on the first page.

It was something like sitting down and with your hand (either left or right) forming a U shape with your thumb and first and second fingers. Then getting them and finding a pulse on both sides of the windpipe then pressing straight in.

I tried to squeeze the arteries together and I couldn't get it. Turns out you just press inwards (so towards you as if your finger will come out in the same spots on the back of your neck) and then you should feel it.

Does that help at all?

 

[lululoo]

You will find your pulse when you found your carotids. Applying pressure to them will lead to dizziness when they're correctly compressed. The harder you push, the faster you will become dizzy or pass out.

Again, as stated throughout this entire thread, were going for the carotid arterys and trying to compress them as it will cut off basically 98% of blood to the brain.

It is a super fast method that is completely unforgiving when done properly. Meaning that it's fast and it will kill you.

As with all the other methods though, something could go wrong. If you don't verse yourself with the method then you increase your chances of messing up.

If you decide to inebriate yourself with alcohol or decide to take drugs then your chance of failing increase even more.

So I urge everyone new to this thread, as always, read everything. Don't be discouraged by others people failing either.

It's your life and you get to decide how to end it if you want. No one else's experience should influence yours other than you learning where they failed and making sure you don't follow their foot steps. @Prime has CTB with this method and I'm getting closer to my CTB date as well.

I will most likely not post a goodbye post. After that happens too, it will be up to all the other members to try to explain the method. The good thing is the method is super easy to explain with all the answered questions already.

The bad thing is that you as a community will decide how to police these comments when I finally CTB. Please do not lead members in a path that makes them avoid this method. It does work.

Only the person using this method improperly can make it fail.

Sorry I am dumb. But I can easily find the pulse in my neck on both sides so I guess that means I have found my carotids. But pushing down really hard is not leading to dizziness or passing out, just pain. Is it possible I'm just a chicken and/or not very strong and I'm not pushing hard enough or long enough, but with a the ratchet I could still succeed at this method? Thank you for your help.

 

[NotWorthLiving]

I tried pressing around my windpipe as well and that didnt work. I think it just moved them.

Try pressing them against the muscles in your neck.
I had to push them a little to the side as well as back.

You'll get it soon, just keep experimenting with different places. I don't think it has much to do with strength actually, I think its just being able to compress them which shouldn't take much.

I don't think you're chicken either, just haven't succeeded in compressing them, you probably did what I kept doing and are just pressing into your neck without compressing the carotids and possible just moving them instead.

I kept pressing hard but in the end it just needed to be firm and in the right spot.

Does this help?

 

[lululoo]

I tried pressing around my windpipe as well and that didnt work. I think it just moved them.

Try pressing them against the muscles in your neck.
I had to push them a little to the side as well as back.

You'll get it soon, just keep experimenting with different places. I don't think it has much to do with strength actually, I think its just being able to compress them which shouldn't take much.

I don't think you're chicken either, just haven't succeeded in compressing them, you probably did what I kept doing and are just pressing into your neck without compressing the carotids and possible just moving them instead.

I kept pressing hard but in the end it just needed to be firm and in the right spot.

Does this help?

Thanks, I will experiment some more. But I'm sort of confused-- if it requires pressing them in such a precise way, then how does the ratchet work? the ratchet and bean bags can't maneuver them a little to the side and a little back in the exact way that your fingers could. The bean bags are pretty big so it seems like this method really just relies on strong enough pressure to the general area where your carotids are. So do you really need to figure out how to press them with your fingers?

 

[NotWorthLiving]

I think finding them with your fingers is just so you know where to put the beanbags so you can get some decent pressure inthe right spot.

I think that's the good thing about using beanbags instead of fingers. They're larger so they cover most of the artery and its hard to miss it.

 

[NotWorthLiving]

All of what i said is how I managed to do it. I did it twice and it was slightly different both times but I did press lower on my neck the second time so that differed it a bit.

That experimentation I did would help determine where the beanbags would go. Like from my experiments I think the lower one with the beanbags would work better but I think it differs a bit from person to person

 

[Philip]

I looked on the first page of posts briefly and combined with what @Kooz said I managed to do it. It was something @Prime said on the first page.

It was something like sitting down and with your hand (either left or right) forming a U shape with your thumb and first and second fingers. Then getting them and finding a pulse on both sides of the windpipe then pressing straight in.

I tried to squeeze the arteries together and I couldn't get it. Turns out you just press inwards (so towards you as if your finger will come out in the same spots on the back of your neck) and then you should feel it.

Does that help at all?

Thank you for the info......I am going to try out your advice

 

[bigj75]

Thanks, I will experiment some more. But I'm sort of confused-- if it requires pressing them in such a precise way, then how does the ratchet work? the ratchet and bean bags can't maneuver them a little to the side and a little back in the exact way that your fingers could. The bean bags are pretty big so it seems like this method really just relies on strong enough pressure to the general area where your carotids are. So do you really need to figure out how to press them with your fingers?

The ratchet and bean bags make it similar to being choked out by a arm. Rear naked choke.

 

[ron_g]

Only the person using this method improperly can make it fail.

What level of the neck do you suggest this method be used?
I'll hand sew my carotid pads. Do you have an opinion on the optimum size and thickness?

 

[Kooz]

What level of the neck do you suggest this method be used?
I'll hand sew my carotid pads. Do you have an opinion on the optimum size and thickness?

I love bean bags because they're thick. I suggest the same size as a bean bag and you can fill it with buckwheat, corn, or beans. The reason I try to avoid having people go for anything softer is that you want to make sure that there is mostly even distribution from the bag and ratchet. You could use tightly wrapped socks or a shirt but then you risk it being too soft if not done properly which could cause the compression to not work as well.

As stated before, imagine what it's like to have the arms around your neck. You're trying to replicate that feeling and stability. Also one reason I suggested to have someone from an MMA center actually apply one on you. Then you'll know exactly what it is supposed to feel like and where the pressure is supposed to be.

Drop in classes are pretty easy to do and either are free or super cheap. State that it's one of the first moves you want to learn and I'm more then certain someone will oblige you.

 

[Deivis]

I love bean bags because they're thick. I suggest the same size as a bean bag and you can fill it with buckwheat, corn, or beans.

Can also be some polystyrene foam tube or roll. Hardware outlets and sportsware shops have them, bigger or smaller.

I'll get one in a few days and try out :)

 

[Mistress Death]

I weigh 68kg (150lbs), my height is 170cm (5ft 7in). I live in a nice apartment and it's a brand new complex. (Maybe that's relevant because the supports and wood are new) Will my weight be supported by my door frame?

 

[bigj75]

I weigh 68kg (150lbs), my height is 170cm (5ft 7in). I live in a nice apartment and it's a brand new complex. (Maybe that's relevant because the supports and wood are new) Will my weight be supported by my door frame?

you don't need to worry about that if you are using the ratchet strap but I believe that can support you if you decide to hang.

 

[Mistress Death]

you don't need to worry about that if you are using the ratchet strap but I believe that can support you if you decide to hang.

I have a ratchet strap, but why don't I need to worry about that? I had accidentally posted my question here instead of posting it to the siphon thread.

 

[couldntthinkofaname]

I have a ratchet strap, but why don't I need to worry about that? I had accidentally posted my question here instead of posting it to the siphon thread.

read the op

 

[Mistress Death]

read the op

I'll re-read it, but what did I miss? I'm just worried that the door frame will not support my weight throughout the process. If it can hold me for 5-ish minutes, then that's fine. I realized that I posted my question to the wrong thread, but if you've read the 'perfect video for partial hanging' thread then maybe you could assure me about my worries.

 

[ThrawnSpawn]

I'll re-read it, but what did I miss? I'm just worried that the door frame will not support my weight throughout the process. If it can hold me for 5-ish minutes, then that's fine. I realized that I posted my question to the wrong thread, but if you've read the 'perfect video for partial hanging' thread then maybe you could assure me about my worries.

You are probably better off reposting your question to the correct thread than continuing to pursue it in the wrong thread and detracting from this thread's purpose.

 

[ReadyasEver]

I think some people are having a tough idea envisioning this, so here's my research on the subject. This method is a physical way of depriving the brain of oxygen, hypoxia, versus an inhalation method using CO, Nitrogen, or Argon. The result and effects are the same, brain death occurs in less than 5 minutes, sometimes as quick as 2 minutes. The night-night method is a fairly quick shut off of the process so the sensations of euphoria, tingling, and grayed out vision occur much quicker. The uninterrupted flow of blood to the brain deprived of oxygen through gas inhalation is a little more subtle and symptom onset probably a little slower but not by much. Both methods of hypoxia to the brain are absolutely lethal if done properly. Both are virtually painless, night-night involves more pressure applied to the neck.
The OP has done an excellent job of collecting information and sourcing. It just seemed liked people were unsure of how this method worked physiologically. Hypoxia methods using gases and this, are probably two of the most humane methods we have available to us. Read through the thread again, all the information and answers are already there for you.