GentleJerk
Carrot juice pimp.
- Dec 14, 2021
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*This is an updated and revised version of the original thread*
I've been getting messages from different people, asking all sorts of questions about N from D. I thought it would be convenient to put as much info as I can together in one place to make things easier for people.
Where to find - First, there is no reason to ask me or any other member where/how to find N. This is where to look:
Click then scroll down
Details in the Nov PPeH pdf are still correct at this time. (After you have read the pdf, if for some reason you are still in doubt you can DM someone who is an active trusted member and ask them to confirm, but please don't be rude by asking members upfront for contact details. It can be uncomfortable, also its unnecessary since the answer is in the book!)
B=D.
There are endless scams out there, but D is legit and reliable. Any other sources you might find are almost certainly fake. Hopefully that changes in the near future.
What is available - 100mL veterinary grade aqueous solution, with 6.3g sodium pentobarbital, 10%v/v ethanol and 40%v/v propylene glycol adjusted to pH 9.5. Liquid only, no powder.
D may also supply metoclopramide if you ask nicely, some people received complimentary meto without asking. I haven't been able to find details yet about what brand they might be or the strength of the pills. You should be able to ask him for this info if you receive meto and can't tell by looking at it.
How to pay - The PPeH mentions that Bitcoin and Monero are accepted, but if you ask, cash payments via Western Union (WU) and Moneygram (MG) are also accepted. Use crypto if possible, but please know WU and MG money transfers are perfectly fine, many members including myself can confirm this. I won't explain how to pay with crypto here.
When paying via WU, depending on who you speak to, the clerk may ask how you know the recipient and what the money transfer is for. This is most likely to prevent scams. Have photo ID and answers ready, and you are good to go. He is a family friend, and the money is a gift / donation to help with emergency costs such as a funeral, is a perfectly good answer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sending money. If by some rare chance they try to check anything, it will come back all clear with no red flags. He has everything covered so there is no need to worry.
Tracking and estimated shipping times - You can request tracking, but it will not always be accurate. It may be late, or even a few days early I found. ETA varies depending on your location and other factors, you can ask D for the tracking info once it is sent, or give him your zip code and ask for an estimate on how long it will take to arrive.
Customs and refunds - At the time of writing this thread, from worldwide reports on this site and from Exit, there have not been any significant customs issues since the days of N from A. I believe the issues with A were actually because of leaked customer details.
Even when a package is presumably opened by customs and tested, as was the case for one member from AU/NZ region and another from India, who both received one of their bottles 1/2 empty with a broken seal, it still gets delivered. This seems to be extremely rare and the overwhelming majority of people have no issues whatsoever. Annoying, but no verified confiscations, love-letters, phone calls or visits to speak of.
Since N has been almost completely out of circulation since the 80's and never sold on the street or anywhere else, it seems it's not included in standard detection.
If you are receiving meto with your package, this might raise more suspicion if the package gets inspected. Yet I still have not heard about any problems.
D states that he has a no refunds policy if something happens to your package, which is completely reasonable... But on the down-low, he is actually a pretty good person and is known to be helpful. That is all I will say about this. Don't think you are entitled to anything.
Delivery - Always have it sent to your home address if possible, or somewhere that you will be available on the day. PO boxes are not any safer or more convenient. Orders from dark web market places often strongly advise against using PO boxes for deliveries, and I would apply this same precaution to N.
UPS or DHL? It's up to you. I would go UPS unless you are already signed up for DHL and like to use it, as there is no particular advantage of DHL, also DHL will require extra paperwork and cost more.
Once you have your gift, immediately destroy all the parcel packaging with the receipts and shipping details on it, and delete all emails. You can keep the little boxes that the N comes in, as they are not suspicious, you'll see what I mean when you get it.
It goes without saying, please do not share descriptions of how the N is concealed. Keep everything to yourself, not just to protect D, but also yourself and others.
Storage - Store your N in a dark, cool, dry, safe and secure place. Vet N is designed to be stored on the shelf in an air-conditioned room. Some people like to store it in the fridge. There is no evidence that refrigeration prolongs its life, but there should be nothing wrong with storing it in the fridge if you like. Just keep the moisture away by placing it in an airtight container or a few layers of plastic ziplock bags for good measure.
Even though it contains propylene glycol to preserve and prevent freezing, don't store it in the freezer. This is so that there is less risk of N precipitating out of the solution more quickly, less drastic fluctuations in temperature, and because rubber doesn't like being frozen.
There is no recommended maximum or minimum temperature for storage, but it does mention to keep in a cool dry place, at or around room temperature (~18C). This would imply that avoiding extreme temperatures, both hot and freezing, is recommended. There's no reason to worry if you live in a freezing or very hot climate. Your N won't spoil on its way to you or if it gets left outside for a while. It's quite stable. As long as you keep it fairly happy in long term storage, it's all good.
Expiry and shelf life - If you would like to know the printed expiry date, you will have to ask D, as that info is not supplied, and would differ depending on when each individual unit is made. The typical expiration date is around 2 years- but as long as the seal is untouched, and it is in a cool, dry place away from direct light, it will keep for a very long time without degrading. Possibly up to 20 years according to PN.
Once the seal has been broken and the liquid exposed to ambient air and moisture, its shelf life is dramatically reduced. Exactly how long it will stay good for after opening is up for debate, but it is generally accepted to be a few weeks to a couple of months after opening.
If you notice the contents become milky/cloudy, this is a sign that the contents are precipitating out of the solution and possibly degrading. At this point testing can be performed to help determine if the N is still usable, however replacing the N should be considered.
Testing - You can use a syringe to extract liquid from the bottle for testing and sampling, by carefully pushing the needle through the rubber stopper in the lid, without exposing the contents to ambient air and moisture. Just make sure the plunger is pushed all the way down before inserting so that no air is accidentally squeezed into the bottle, and make sure the needle gage is not too thick. The rubber can reseal itself many times.
Testing kits can be ordered online, or sometimes found at the pharmacy (drugstore, chemist)
If you are going to sample the N, a standard oral dose used to induce sleep for average sized adults is 100mg, this is rather conservative. If there is 6.3g in 100mL of solution, that means that there is 63mg per mL. So if you took 2mL, that would be about 126mg, slightly over the standard dose to assist sleep but still very safe. Doses in the medical literature are usually not more than 500mg.
Methods and additional info - AE's - I don't think they are always necessary, I personally won't be using one. Please read this very detailed thread by @RainAndSadness before you get carried away with worrying about vomiting and needing AE's like meto https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...oral-n-administration-once-and-for-all.58006/
For those who want more info about a regimen using meto, another member posted this thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/
N is actually simple and straight forward. There's really not much protocol to it other than potential steps to reduce the possibility of vomiting if really needed- along with some abstinence from heavy meals beforehand. Then something to wash away the bitter taste afterwards.
Here is my simplified protocol:
Supplies needed -
- N
- An AE if needed/possible
- A pair of those small scissors from the pharmacy for cutting nails, to completely remove the metal seal.
- A cup for pouring the N into and drinking from
- A pleasant tasting treat to wash the bitter taste, such as chocolate, a lemony drink or some Baileys Irish Cream Liquer.
Here is a video showing how to open the bottle
- Eat only a light meal in the few hours leading up to it.
- Use a stat dose of AE such as 30mg of metoclopramide 1 hour beforehand if available, if not don't worry. It's not essential unless the person is suffering from severe nausea and vomiting, i.e. a cancer patient. (As another user asked, Cannabis does work as an AE if you need one but only recommended for those familiar with it already. Smoke at least 30 mins beforehand.)
- Open the N with the nail scissors and pour into a cup. Drink at least one bottle, preferably two. It doesn't matter how large or heavy someone is, more than 2 bottles is unnecessary.
- Chocolate, baileys irish cream, or some nice tasting treat afterwards to wash away the bitter taste. As long as whatever is eaten afterwards is finished within 60 seconds.
- Make sure you are laying down comfortably either on your back or side. You should fall asleep within 5-10 mins.
Random FAQs - "In the PPeH, It says that D asks for proof of purchase to verify age, is this true?" - No, he does not ask for proof of purchasing the PPeH. I don't know why the book says this. My guess is PN has written this to either deter people who have not purchased the book, to encourage PPeH sales, or for some strange liability reasons.
"How much N do I need, does it depend on weight?" - One bottle would be enough even for a large person, as It contains 6.3g and perfectly healthy people have easily died from as little as 2g. 6g was the original amount used by the swiss clinics before they doubled the dose. The use of 10-12g+ is excessive but designed to minimize the very rare occurrence of death taking longer than usual. 2 bottles is better, but if you can only secure one, you should not worry.
"Can I drink alcohol or take benzos to potentiate N, or relieve anxiety and akathesia caused by Metoclopramide?" - Alcohol and benzos work on the same receptor as N, the GABA receptor. I don't know about drinking alcohol before N, alcohol is more likely to cause nausea than benzos. Also, there is a considerable amount of ethanol already present in N, around 10%v/v. As for using benzos, Erowid https://erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml is a non-profit organisation with a lot of useful info, I would recommend it whenever you have questions about drugs. The main point would be to learn about the effects of the drug you are taking, dosage info, how long it takes to kick in, how long it lasts, etc. so that you can use it correctly. I don't believe N needs potentiating, It should be very effective on its own imo. I'm not sure about what difference using benzos or alcohol would make to how fast N works. But according to my research and observations of N videos from Dignitas, without potentiating, unconsciousness is achieved fairly quickly, within 2-10 minutes, and they stop breathing within the hour. If potentiating speeds up unconsciousness, it could only be by a matter of minutes.
"Will it be quiet?" - Probably more quiet than most if not all other methods. Like dying in your sleep. The videos I have seen rarely show some brief intoxicated sort of speech or behaviour in the moments right before they fall asleep, and sometimes a little snoring and similar noises during unconsciousness before breathing eventually stops. This varies from person to person, and angle of head/neck I would imagine.
"Why do people say N is better than SN? What's the difference?" - Read the PPeH where it is explained in great detail.
"I've heard that N is the most horrible tasting thing that ever existed and if I drink it, my tongue will explode as I instantly begin puking non-stop for the rest of eternity. Is there a way to improve the taste of N?" - Of course N doesn't taste great, but it's just a bitter chemical in an alcohol solution. It would be awesome if it came in our favorite flavours. Attempts to mitigate the taste of N have many erroneous threads dedicated to them, imo the only ones possibly worth considering at this point involve the artificial sweetener Neotame, though I am skeptical about the value of this. In this thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-sleep-test.66328/ a member states that the taste is not as terrible as is often feared. Keep in mind plenty of enfeebled elderly folks with sensitive stomachs manage to drink it without a problem. I think the taste of N can be overcome with a little fortitude and is not as much of an issue as it's made out to be, a little chocolate or irish cream afterwards should work pretty well.
"What happens if I get found too soon and fail?" You can fail if found soon enough and given emergency life saving treatment. People make remarkable recoveries from lethal overdoses of N with no serious long term effects. If that is not what you would like, then just don't get found too soon. Simple. Make sure you have an hour free.
"Drinking half a cup of vet liquid sounds unbearable. Can I extract the N from the solution with an acid/base extraction, by boiling or evaporating the solution, or any other method to obtain a powder or concentrated product?" - The simplest answer is no, sorry. There is propylene glycol in the solution. If you were a trained chemist with proper laboratory equipment it might be a possibility, but if that was the case you wouldn't need to ask.
That's pretty much all there is to it! I think all of the key questions should be answered here, but you can use the search bar on this site to look for any other answers you might need. Most of the info here was found by using the search bar, and I can almost guarantee any other possible questions you might have are already answered somewhere on this site.
The last thing I want to say is, even though there is a lot of info here, and so many things to learn and consider... N can be as simple as: 1. Buy 2. Drink. Thank you so much, D man.
All the very best, forever and always.
GentleSoul
I've been getting messages from different people, asking all sorts of questions about N from D. I thought it would be convenient to put as much info as I can together in one place to make things easier for people.
Where to find - First, there is no reason to ask me or any other member where/how to find N. This is where to look:
Click then scroll down
Details in the Nov PPeH pdf are still correct at this time. (After you have read the pdf, if for some reason you are still in doubt you can DM someone who is an active trusted member and ask them to confirm, but please don't be rude by asking members upfront for contact details. It can be uncomfortable, also its unnecessary since the answer is in the book!)
B=D.
There are endless scams out there, but D is legit and reliable. Any other sources you might find are almost certainly fake. Hopefully that changes in the near future.
What is available - 100mL veterinary grade aqueous solution, with 6.3g sodium pentobarbital, 10%v/v ethanol and 40%v/v propylene glycol adjusted to pH 9.5. Liquid only, no powder.
D may also supply metoclopramide if you ask nicely, some people received complimentary meto without asking. I haven't been able to find details yet about what brand they might be or the strength of the pills. You should be able to ask him for this info if you receive meto and can't tell by looking at it.
How to pay - The PPeH mentions that Bitcoin and Monero are accepted, but if you ask, cash payments via Western Union (WU) and Moneygram (MG) are also accepted. Use crypto if possible, but please know WU and MG money transfers are perfectly fine, many members including myself can confirm this. I won't explain how to pay with crypto here.
When paying via WU, depending on who you speak to, the clerk may ask how you know the recipient and what the money transfer is for. This is most likely to prevent scams. Have photo ID and answers ready, and you are good to go. He is a family friend, and the money is a gift / donation to help with emergency costs such as a funeral, is a perfectly good answer. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sending money. If by some rare chance they try to check anything, it will come back all clear with no red flags. He has everything covered so there is no need to worry.
Tracking and estimated shipping times - You can request tracking, but it will not always be accurate. It may be late, or even a few days early I found. ETA varies depending on your location and other factors, you can ask D for the tracking info once it is sent, or give him your zip code and ask for an estimate on how long it will take to arrive.
Customs and refunds - At the time of writing this thread, from worldwide reports on this site and from Exit, there have not been any significant customs issues since the days of N from A. I believe the issues with A were actually because of leaked customer details.
Even when a package is presumably opened by customs and tested, as was the case for one member from AU/NZ region and another from India, who both received one of their bottles 1/2 empty with a broken seal, it still gets delivered. This seems to be extremely rare and the overwhelming majority of people have no issues whatsoever. Annoying, but no verified confiscations, love-letters, phone calls or visits to speak of.
Since N has been almost completely out of circulation since the 80's and never sold on the street or anywhere else, it seems it's not included in standard detection.
If you are receiving meto with your package, this might raise more suspicion if the package gets inspected. Yet I still have not heard about any problems.
D states that he has a no refunds policy if something happens to your package, which is completely reasonable... But on the down-low, he is actually a pretty good person and is known to be helpful. That is all I will say about this. Don't think you are entitled to anything.
Delivery - Always have it sent to your home address if possible, or somewhere that you will be available on the day. PO boxes are not any safer or more convenient. Orders from dark web market places often strongly advise against using PO boxes for deliveries, and I would apply this same precaution to N.
UPS or DHL? It's up to you. I would go UPS unless you are already signed up for DHL and like to use it, as there is no particular advantage of DHL, also DHL will require extra paperwork and cost more.
Once you have your gift, immediately destroy all the parcel packaging with the receipts and shipping details on it, and delete all emails. You can keep the little boxes that the N comes in, as they are not suspicious, you'll see what I mean when you get it.
It goes without saying, please do not share descriptions of how the N is concealed. Keep everything to yourself, not just to protect D, but also yourself and others.
Storage - Store your N in a dark, cool, dry, safe and secure place. Vet N is designed to be stored on the shelf in an air-conditioned room. Some people like to store it in the fridge. There is no evidence that refrigeration prolongs its life, but there should be nothing wrong with storing it in the fridge if you like. Just keep the moisture away by placing it in an airtight container or a few layers of plastic ziplock bags for good measure.
Even though it contains propylene glycol to preserve and prevent freezing, don't store it in the freezer. This is so that there is less risk of N precipitating out of the solution more quickly, less drastic fluctuations in temperature, and because rubber doesn't like being frozen.
There is no recommended maximum or minimum temperature for storage, but it does mention to keep in a cool dry place, at or around room temperature (~18C). This would imply that avoiding extreme temperatures, both hot and freezing, is recommended. There's no reason to worry if you live in a freezing or very hot climate. Your N won't spoil on its way to you or if it gets left outside for a while. It's quite stable. As long as you keep it fairly happy in long term storage, it's all good.
Expiry and shelf life - If you would like to know the printed expiry date, you will have to ask D, as that info is not supplied, and would differ depending on when each individual unit is made. The typical expiration date is around 2 years- but as long as the seal is untouched, and it is in a cool, dry place away from direct light, it will keep for a very long time without degrading. Possibly up to 20 years according to PN.
Once the seal has been broken and the liquid exposed to ambient air and moisture, its shelf life is dramatically reduced. Exactly how long it will stay good for after opening is up for debate, but it is generally accepted to be a few weeks to a couple of months after opening.
If you notice the contents become milky/cloudy, this is a sign that the contents are precipitating out of the solution and possibly degrading. At this point testing can be performed to help determine if the N is still usable, however replacing the N should be considered.
Testing - You can use a syringe to extract liquid from the bottle for testing and sampling, by carefully pushing the needle through the rubber stopper in the lid, without exposing the contents to ambient air and moisture. Just make sure the plunger is pushed all the way down before inserting so that no air is accidentally squeezed into the bottle, and make sure the needle gage is not too thick. The rubber can reseal itself many times.
Testing kits can be ordered online, or sometimes found at the pharmacy (drugstore, chemist)
If you are going to sample the N, a standard oral dose used to induce sleep for average sized adults is 100mg, this is rather conservative. If there is 6.3g in 100mL of solution, that means that there is 63mg per mL. So if you took 2mL, that would be about 126mg, slightly over the standard dose to assist sleep but still very safe. Doses in the medical literature are usually not more than 500mg.
Methods and additional info - AE's - I don't think they are always necessary, I personally won't be using one. Please read this very detailed thread by @RainAndSadness before you get carried away with worrying about vomiting and needing AE's like meto https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...oral-n-administration-once-and-for-all.58006/
For those who want more info about a regimen using meto, another member posted this thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-protocol-regime-regimen-notes.27092/
N is actually simple and straight forward. There's really not much protocol to it other than potential steps to reduce the possibility of vomiting if really needed- along with some abstinence from heavy meals beforehand. Then something to wash away the bitter taste afterwards.
Here is my simplified protocol:
Supplies needed -
- N
- An AE if needed/possible
- A pair of those small scissors from the pharmacy for cutting nails, to completely remove the metal seal.
- A cup for pouring the N into and drinking from
- A pleasant tasting treat to wash the bitter taste, such as chocolate, a lemony drink or some Baileys Irish Cream Liquer.
Here is a video showing how to open the bottle
- Eat only a light meal in the few hours leading up to it.
- Use a stat dose of AE such as 30mg of metoclopramide 1 hour beforehand if available, if not don't worry. It's not essential unless the person is suffering from severe nausea and vomiting, i.e. a cancer patient. (As another user asked, Cannabis does work as an AE if you need one but only recommended for those familiar with it already. Smoke at least 30 mins beforehand.)
- Open the N with the nail scissors and pour into a cup. Drink at least one bottle, preferably two. It doesn't matter how large or heavy someone is, more than 2 bottles is unnecessary.
- Chocolate, baileys irish cream, or some nice tasting treat afterwards to wash away the bitter taste. As long as whatever is eaten afterwards is finished within 60 seconds.
- Make sure you are laying down comfortably either on your back or side. You should fall asleep within 5-10 mins.
Random FAQs - "In the PPeH, It says that D asks for proof of purchase to verify age, is this true?" - No, he does not ask for proof of purchasing the PPeH. I don't know why the book says this. My guess is PN has written this to either deter people who have not purchased the book, to encourage PPeH sales, or for some strange liability reasons.
"How much N do I need, does it depend on weight?" - One bottle would be enough even for a large person, as It contains 6.3g and perfectly healthy people have easily died from as little as 2g. 6g was the original amount used by the swiss clinics before they doubled the dose. The use of 10-12g+ is excessive but designed to minimize the very rare occurrence of death taking longer than usual. 2 bottles is better, but if you can only secure one, you should not worry.
"Can I drink alcohol or take benzos to potentiate N, or relieve anxiety and akathesia caused by Metoclopramide?" - Alcohol and benzos work on the same receptor as N, the GABA receptor. I don't know about drinking alcohol before N, alcohol is more likely to cause nausea than benzos. Also, there is a considerable amount of ethanol already present in N, around 10%v/v. As for using benzos, Erowid https://erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml is a non-profit organisation with a lot of useful info, I would recommend it whenever you have questions about drugs. The main point would be to learn about the effects of the drug you are taking, dosage info, how long it takes to kick in, how long it lasts, etc. so that you can use it correctly. I don't believe N needs potentiating, It should be very effective on its own imo. I'm not sure about what difference using benzos or alcohol would make to how fast N works. But according to my research and observations of N videos from Dignitas, without potentiating, unconsciousness is achieved fairly quickly, within 2-10 minutes, and they stop breathing within the hour. If potentiating speeds up unconsciousness, it could only be by a matter of minutes.
"Will it be quiet?" - Probably more quiet than most if not all other methods. Like dying in your sleep. The videos I have seen rarely show some brief intoxicated sort of speech or behaviour in the moments right before they fall asleep, and sometimes a little snoring and similar noises during unconsciousness before breathing eventually stops. This varies from person to person, and angle of head/neck I would imagine.
"Why do people say N is better than SN? What's the difference?" - Read the PPeH where it is explained in great detail.
"I've heard that N is the most horrible tasting thing that ever existed and if I drink it, my tongue will explode as I instantly begin puking non-stop for the rest of eternity. Is there a way to improve the taste of N?" - Of course N doesn't taste great, but it's just a bitter chemical in an alcohol solution. It would be awesome if it came in our favorite flavours. Attempts to mitigate the taste of N have many erroneous threads dedicated to them, imo the only ones possibly worth considering at this point involve the artificial sweetener Neotame, though I am skeptical about the value of this. In this thread https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-sleep-test.66328/ a member states that the taste is not as terrible as is often feared. Keep in mind plenty of enfeebled elderly folks with sensitive stomachs manage to drink it without a problem. I think the taste of N can be overcome with a little fortitude and is not as much of an issue as it's made out to be, a little chocolate or irish cream afterwards should work pretty well.
"What happens if I get found too soon and fail?" You can fail if found soon enough and given emergency life saving treatment. People make remarkable recoveries from lethal overdoses of N with no serious long term effects. If that is not what you would like, then just don't get found too soon. Simple. Make sure you have an hour free.
"Drinking half a cup of vet liquid sounds unbearable. Can I extract the N from the solution with an acid/base extraction, by boiling or evaporating the solution, or any other method to obtain a powder or concentrated product?" - The simplest answer is no, sorry. There is propylene glycol in the solution. If you were a trained chemist with proper laboratory equipment it might be a possibility, but if that was the case you wouldn't need to ask.
That's pretty much all there is to it! I think all of the key questions should be answered here, but you can use the search bar on this site to look for any other answers you might need. Most of the info here was found by using the search bar, and I can almost guarantee any other possible questions you might have are already answered somewhere on this site.
The last thing I want to say is, even though there is a lot of info here, and so many things to learn and consider... N can be as simple as: 1. Buy 2. Drink. Thank you so much, D man.
All the very best, forever and always.
GentleSoul
