Discussion suicide by police

[nopurposeinanything]

I've seen stories of people killing themselves by getting the police to kill them. If I have no other way, would this be an okay way?

 

[Siamese Believe]

Only if you were going down for a long time, like 10+ years and cornered by cops.

 

[nopurposeinanything]

Only if you were going down for a long time, like 10+ years and cornered by cops.

Sorry, what do you mean if you were going down for a long time?

 

[Siamese Believe]

Sorry, what do you mean if you were going down for a long time?

Like if you were gonna go to prison for many years. Otherwise it's too risky.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

They're trained not to kill and to only disable you. You'll be charged with assault or possibly attempted murder on an officer and spend the rest of your life in jail.

One of the stupidest methods out there. Not worth the risk at all.

 

[nopurposeinanything]

They're trained not to kill and to only disable you. You'll be charged with assault or possibly attempted murder on an officer and spend the rest of your life in jail.

One of the stupidest methods out there. Not worth the risk at all.

Damn. Seriously?

 

[underairpressure]

They're trained not to kill and to only disable you. You'll be charged with assault or possibly attempted murder on an officer and spend the rest of your life in jail.

I mean, being trained not to use lethal force doesn't really stop them, since there's basically no consequences for them. But, it's absolutely true that if you survive you could be charged and/or jailed for whatever you did to provoke them in the first place. And whether they actually kill you is almost completely out of your hands. Don't leave your suicide up to the whims of others.

 

[Quietist]

I've thought of that, but there is no guarantee that you'll just be shot and killed, let alone shot at all.

They might just taze/tackle/otherwise disable you and then charge you with a crime or send you to a psyche ward.

Seems like the only people who get killed by cops are the ones who don't want to be.

 

[Exhausted546]

I wouldn't want to make the news

 

[Realog11]

I wouldn't want to make the news

Same

 

[Jadeith]

My take is - it's YOUR suicide. Don't make others do it.
First - as other mentioned, cops are trained to disable you. Even if that includes shooting, they will rather aim for non-vital areas. Of course, if you create enough "heat of the moment" like charging at them with a gun, there is some chance that they will mag dump you but it's only a chance, not certainty. Besides, if you already possess firearm that would make them all riled up to a point of blasting you away, why not use it on yourself? Ending up shot but still alive and with significant jail time is not the outcome you are looking for
Second - initiating shootout with cops creates significant risk to potential bystanders and property. You sure you want to be the cause of some potential damage to some people passing by and unfortunate enough to be caught in your "act"?
Third - that one is quite unpopular because people do not like cops but like it or not, cops are people too. With memories, feelings, families etc. And believe or not, in most cases they do not like killing others and living with those memories.

 

[inkmage333]

It's mentioned in the non-methods thread because it has a low risk of working at all. So...probably not?

 

[Emerita]

I kind of wonder what the actual survival rate of this method would be.

Seems like the only people who get killed by cops are the ones who don't want to be.

True, the police shot and killed my friend when he was 16 and yeah, it wasn't a suicide…

 

[TimingOut]

They're trained not to kill and to only disable you. You'll be charged with assault or possibly attempted murder on an officer and spend the rest of your life in jail.

One of the stupidest methods out there. Not worth the risk at all.

I am not sure, I have seen a lot of mag dumps videos, in U.S.

 

[badatparties]

No, completely immoral.

 

[Dejected 55]

It's not likely to have the outcome you desire... and if it did, it is completely unfair to the cop who will have to bear the burden the rest of his/her life. We hear all the time about the bad cops, and it's fair because there are a lot of them and the "blue shield" tends to want to protect way too many of them... but the majority of cops are just regular people doing a tough job and not respected for it except when you 100% need them and then you appreciate the hell out of them in that moment...

I've talked with some cops... including very recently when I was being driven to a mental facility in the back of one... and there had been a recent shooting at a gas station or something and that prompted me to talk about the suicide-by-cop situations... and the thing of it is... a good person, a good cop, even when they know they had to take someone down, a legit bad actor who was going to (or already had) killed innocent people... that cop takes a life and does his job in the moment, but still has to see that and live with it. Many cops are in regular therapy to deal with that shit.

It is completely unfair to rope someone else into your suicide.

 

[Ligottian]

We involve whoever finds our body. Not that I'm defending suicide by cop.

 

[WallTermite]

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Damn. Seriously?

It's bs. But still not a good idea. You could traumatize them or end up in legal trouble. Also, guns don't always work

 

[COP2CON]

For the people writing that cops are trained to wound or maime, that is 100% not true. In the US, if a cop uses their firearm it is for deadly force. Our training explicitly taught us to go for the head or vitals and to dump enough rounds to make sure the threat was over. It is completely wrong to think a cop will shoot you in the leg intentionally and also illegal by case law. It is also considered a violation to the 8th amendment to intentionally shoot to maime/wound. If you confront a cop with a weapon and an intention of violence, they will kill you or do their damndest to.

Also not all cops are great shots under stress and there is a high chance one will not die but rather be permanently messed up. While I was in jail, a guy came in who the cops shot 8 times and lived. Another took 3 to the chest and 1 to the forehead and lived only to be a vegetable.

 

[Dejected 55]

We involve whoever finds our body. Not that I'm defending suicide by cop.

While technically true, it is a little bit of apples vs oranges. The person who finds you might not have a good experience but at least will feel no guilt for having been responsible. IF you bait someone, like a cop, into killing you for your "suicide" then that someone is going to carry guilt for the rest of their life.

 

[Unsure and Useless]

Unfortunately, there are many factors that come into play. As someone who legitimately has considered this method before at my most desperate, you would have to hope that all of these factors, most of which are out of your control, are perfect in order for it to work

First Factor Group: Location
Where are you? (<-- rhetorical question meant to help you reflect) Are you in a relatively peaceful nation or is there a lot of civil unrest? From there, is your city/town full of unrest?

The reason why this is important is because this unrest can result in the police being exposed to more dangerous conditions. This, by extension, can result in the police force being more prone to resorting to lethal means to defend themselves. Remember that police officers are people who (theoretically) don't want to die. If they know that their lives are at risk of being taken at any moment, they'll be more willing to draw a gun and shoot at the threat. However, in areas that are peaceful, these police officers won't be as willing because they know the threat, at its perceived worst, won't be as bad as to take their own life

Beyond that, what's the overall culture of the precinct? Are they more righteous in nature and possess more integrity? Or, do they just want to cash in a paycheck regardless of the cost? These are two of the many location-related factors that you have to hope are fulfilled correctly, and you'll never know for sure since it's not like we can read minds

Second Factor Group: Appearance
Looks do matter when it comes to this

I live in America, so this fact will inform my explanation. If you present as a "dangerous" minority through your looks, speech, and/or behavior, the police are more likely to kill you, especially if you're in an low-income area associated with minorities or if the area you're in is prejudice overall. Although the most common type of minority is race, LGBTQ+ related minorities are at risk too

As mentioned earlier, speech and behavior is also important. If you "sound violent" or "seem violent", which greatly varies from region to region, the police are more likely to shoot you for the same reasons implied in appearance. Humans are simply creatures: we naturally group things together by preconceived notions and experience

Basically, the police force of a more prejudice community/background will theoretically be more hostile towards a dark-skinned, non-passing trans person than a light-skinned passing trans person/cis person

Gender and visible weapon(s) on you are also factors in this category that have to be considered, and even then, this is all based on previous experiences that happened to other people in their unique circumstances. We will never know for sure how the police of your community will interpret your identity at that point in time. For instance, maybe there's somehow a non-bigoted cop in your community despite prejudice being common, or maybe some gay person did something everyone accepts as a good thing so homophobia has softened. All of these things are out of your control, which is not what we want

Third Factor Group: The Interaction
Even if you somehow get all the factors associated with the previous groups right, there's also the initial interaction you need to consider

First, how did the police know of you? Why are they there?

If they're there for a perceived harmless situation, they're not going to be as likely to resort to violence than if, let's say, someone called the police because you're threatening to stab people (DON'T DO THIS BTW)

Second, how do you react to the police?

The you reading this has the benefit of non-tangible consequences when considering this, but the you in this scenario IRL won't always be what you claim to be. You can plan to be as eerie and uncomfortable to get them on edge, but when it really comes down to it, you're cordial and harmless

Third, what's going on around you? Is it just another day? Or has a dangerous event just happened recently?

There are more factors in this category, but these are the main three I have thought of on the spot

Fourth Factor Group: Luck
It's self-explanatory. Everything could be right, but it's just your luck that gets in the way

With the majority of these factors out of your control, I would just say that this method is non-viable. You're better off purchasing N than succeeding in this endeavor

 

[InevitableDeath]

They're certainly killing a lot of people who'd rather not be killed.

 

[Jadeith]

For the people writing that cops are trained to wound or maime, that is 100% not true. In the US...

For the people writing that cops are trained to wound or maim, that IS 100% TRUE as the US and their amendments, as much as they like to think that, do not cover whole world. In my corner of the planet cops are trained to disable, not to kill and if one accidentally kills someone, that usually lands them in a world of trouble with a shitton of investigations if that death was necessary and unavoidable.

 

[persepexa]

I mean even if you don't consider the ethical implications of forcing another person to take your life, it's very difficult. The police are trained to only kill someone as a very last resort. Basically they would have to fear for their life. To make them fear for their lives you'd probably need some sort of weapon. If it's a knife or a blade they would just disarm you. You would need to have a gun is what I'm saying. And if you had a gun you wouldn't need the police at all would you?

It's a very silly method if I'm being honest. The amount of effort you would have to go to, and if you failed you'd do a long stint in jail, it's really not worth it at all.

 

[COP2CON]

For the people writing that cops are trained to wound or maim, that IS 100% TRUE as the US and their amendments, as much as they like to think that, do not cover whole world. In my corner of the planet cops are trained to disable, not to kill and if one accidentally kills someone, that usually lands them in a world of trouble with a shitton of investigations if that death was necessary and unavoidable.

Never said it covered the whole world though I did not word it correctly to reflect I was talking about the US immediately. In the majority of the world deadly force is the policy. I trained with people from a number of foreign countries and that was the policy for them as well. They were literally sent here to learn from US cops. With the proliferation of less lethal technology, shooting to maim has become archaic and the firearm has become (or is supposed to be) a last resort. As always research your own area/country but as I said in the US, ypou will be met with deadly force.

 

[Eriktf]

Non-methods that should not be attempted

mod note: this has been added to the suicide resource compilation at the top. This has been made in response to the ever increasing amount of posts made about highly unlikely methods. Please read before posting about one of these methods or feel free to link if someone does post about them...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[HangMan123]

I've seen stories of people killing themselves by getting the police to kill them. If I have no other way, would this be an okay way?

Cops are train to hit non-vital targets like the legs. They'd probably just leave you in custody and a lot of pain. Also, killing another human is unnecessarily traumatic.

 

[deathisapanacea]

Suicide by ICE looks like a viable strategy in America.

 

[nopurposeinanything]

Suicide by ICE looks like a viable strategy in America.

Yep. Im black too, they'd be delighted.

 

[vira]

They're trained not to kill and to only disable you. You'll be charged with assault or possibly attempted murder on an officer and spend the rest of your life in jail.

One of the stupidest methods out there. Not worth the risk at all.

depends where you live and who you are

if you're in the united states and look like you immigrated (keyword, look) chances are pretty high. theres a lot of prejudice when it comes to police shootings. they will 100% try and avoid them if they look like a straight white male.

not to get political.

Suicide by ICE looks like a viable strategy in America.

didnt even see this before i replied. yeah they dont hesitate with people who dont want to die, what makes anyone think they'd hesitate with people that do. just another "criminal" under their belts

And if you had a gun you wouldn't need the police at all would you?

SI? but yes i agree with your last point as well.