Stats on SN survival

[mold]

I was doing my research on SN, I've been on the forum for years so I feel like I know a decent amount, but with my SN coming soon I wanted to do some more.

I really want my CTB attempt to be successful after many unsuccessful ones, so I looked into chances of survival, even if you went to the hospital. I know there are members here and people in general who have successful attempts despite getting rushed to the hospital (and some people who survived, too). I found some research with numbers that 60% of deliberate SN poisoning patients survive, but other sources say 40, some 50. Either way it's a bit of a coinflip it seems? Obviously I take everything with a grain of salt, especially online, but if you guys have any research papers/documents/whatever that might corroborate some of these numbers (or maybe they're all bs) I'd love to see them.

 

[if_i_make_it]

just to clarify; are those numbers for all sodium nitrite poisonings or just those who receive medical attention?

 

[interna]

could you link your research? attempting with SN too, but lately ive been feeling a bit of wariness towards the method. SN death videos don't always seem as peaceful as others claim it to be and if the survival rate is as high as 60 then i might opt for a more certain way to ctb

 

[mold]

just to clarify; are those numbers for all sodium nitrite poisonings or just those who receive medical attention?

These stats are what I found on SN poisonings that are treated in hospitals in different countries.

could you link your research? attempting with SN too, but lately ive been feeling a bit of wariness towards the method. SN death videos don't always seem as peaceful as others claim it to be and if the survival rate is as high as 60 then i might opt for a more certain way to ctb

I think its against the rules to post links, but here's the titles of some of the papers I found:

Sodium Nitrite Intoxication and Death: Summarizing Evidence to Facilitate Diagnosis (2022)
National Poison Data System (NPDS) review of intentional sodium nitrite ingestions 2009–2019 (2021)
Rising incidence and high mortality in intentional sodium nitrite exposures reported to US poison centers (2021)

I had read maybe over 10 different papers the other night and unfortunately didn't save them, but I still had these 3 open on my university laptop lol. I think there's also one on the Wiley Library that comes up on the first page when you google something like "Sodium nitrite survival in hospital", though I don't recall that paper having any statistics.

 

[babyneo1]

Do you feel like people following protocol using SN? Or some do it wrong like skip AE or wrong dosing

I have my SN coming soon as well and might be buying 500g soon as well, it's my method of CTB and worried as you said some people CTB isn't peaceful

could you link your research? attempting with SN too, but lately ive been feeling a bit of wariness towards the method. SN death videos don't always seem as peaceful as others claim it to be and if the survival rate is as high as 60 then i might opt for a more certain way to ctb

Hard to know whether people followed protocol or did AE for example

 

[Agon321]

I think that in most cases, these are people who haven't followed the rules set out on this site.
Perhaps they drank a small amount of SN and panicked? I don't know.
As far as I know, people who strictly follow the rules achieve 'success'. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[if_i_make_it]

could you link your research? attempting with SN too, but lately ive been feeling a bit of wariness towards the method. SN death videos don't always seem as peaceful as others claim it to be and if the survival rate is as high as 60 then i might opt for a more certain way to ctb

its important to consider that when observing SN deaths, there are convulsions and movements of the body that happen post loss of consciousness or even post death. Not to say it is painless or without discomfort, though even survivors do sometimes report little to no discomfort. Ultimately there is a lot of room for variance in experience. As far as survival rate, it is highly treatable with an antidote if found in time, but without intervention and with the proper dosing death is an extremely likely outcome.

Its hard to gather the data fully beyond what we know about how and why SN kills, but there is this post that collates some data.

 

[mold]

Do you feel like people following protocol using SN? Or some do it wrong like skip AE or wrong dosing

I have my SN coming soon as well and might be buying 500g soon as well, it's my method of CTB and worried as you said some people CTB isn't peaceful

Hard to know whether people followed protocol or did AE for example

Most of the cases I found in papers (and also a few on here, too) have just been a matter of being found in the critical window. A lot of the research I did didn't seem to say explicitly what their method was beyond just ingesting SN (probably so people don't get ideas since these are all available to the public and in online/university libraries like mine).

Though from survivors on this website, and people who have witnessed attempts that DON'T follow protocol (antiemetics, benzos, etc.), it seems like following protocol makes it much more peaceful than not following.

I think that in most cases, these are people who haven't followed the rules set out on this site.
Perhaps they drank a small amount of SN and panicked? I don't know.
As far as I know, people who strictly follow the rules achieve 'success'. Of course, I could be wrong.

I found a few papers in my own mother tongue, highly doubt they'd come to this site since barely anyone can speak English in my country competently enough to find this place, though most of those papers I found were either accidents or homicide. The one or two I found that were suicide attempts had little to no information on their method beyond ingesting SN and the amount.

 

[babyneo1]

Most of the cases I found in papers (and also a few on here, too) have just been a matter of being found in the critical window. A lot of the research I did didn't seem to say explicitly what their method was beyond just ingesting SN (probably so people don't get ideas since these are all available to the public and in online/university libraries like mine).

Though from survivors on this website, and people who have witnessed attempts that DON'T follow protocol (antiemetics, benzos, etc.), it seems like following protocol makes it much more peaceful than not following.

I found a few papers in my own mother tongue, highly doubt they'd come to this site since barely anyone can speak English in my country competently enough to find this place, though most of those papers I found were either accidents or homicide. The one or two I found that were suicide attempts had little to no information on their method beyond ingesting SN and the amount.

I won't have benzos, don't have access, any suggestions what I can use?

I have some meds I take regularly in the evening, can use them

 

[mold]

I won't have benzos, don't have access, any suggestions what I can use?

I have some meds I take regularly in the evening, can use them

From my understanding, benzos or antiemetics are not needed to CTB, but they make it a lot less painful/uncomfortable, and also help with the nausea since our bodies naturally wanna throw it up. You can try OTC alternatives but you MUST check for any reactions beforehand.

 

[atre]

The "peacefullness" rating on PPeH by Philip Nietschke is based on the assumption that you use benzos. So if you don't, I don't believe it is that "peaceful". Of course, it is reliable, if you drink 25grams SN solution on an empty stomach and NOT throw up all of it in the first two minutes or such, it'll work. However don't expect me to believe that constant nausea, headache and puking for 10 minutes before losing consciousness is a peaceful process. If only everyone could easily get access to benzodiazapines.

 

[babyneo1]

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The "peacefullness" rating on PPeH by Philip Nietschke is based on the assumption that you use benzos. So if you don't, I don't believe it is that "peaceful". Of course, it is reliable, if you drink 25grams SN solution on an empty stomach and NOT throw up all of it in the first two minutes or such, it'll work. However don't expect me to believe that constant nausea, headache and puking for 10 minutes before losing consciousness is a peaceful process. If only everyone could easily get access to benzodiazapines.

Any alternative that I can use to assist peacefullness? Can't get benzos here

 

[atre]

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Any alternative that I can use to assist peacefullness? Can't get benzos here

Unfortunately I don't know :( I'm on the same boat. I will probably either choose to tough it out and go with SN and antiemetic+paracetamol only, or choose to drop the SN method altogether and do something else.

 

[babyneo1]

Unfortunately I don't know :( I'm on the same boat. I will probably either choose to tough it out and go with SN and antiemetic+paracetamol only, or choose to drop the SN method altogether and do something else.

Think have to tough it out, other methods besides gun are uncomfortable as well. Some recommended maybe lollipop when doing SN, to distract