Resource Stability of SN and N

[cme-dme]

But would the vacuum sealed bag be enough or would it go bad if it's not put in a second container? I assume it's probably stored like that for a long time anyway and ships that way so probably but does anyone know in more detail

I think its fine as long as it remains in the sealed bag.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Nitrate does not produce nitrogen dioxide in reaction with these acids. Commercially available curing salt can be used as a comparison, it will have a reaction, but it is not going to be significant. Sodium nitrite is an important chemical, there will always be a demand for it. Some crazy kids on YT are experimenting with it, and these videos can be used as a reference.

So you need the reagent not the commercially available version? Will the commercially available still work? Not the obviously unpure ones that actively state 10%. I guess I just need to know the purity of it, but obviously the reagent would be better, if more difficult to find.

I assumed mine was 99%, because that's what I searched for. Went through significant barriers to even get that. But, it's sounding like the commercially available sort is a mixture of various compounds, whereas the reagent is pure.

I'm guessing if it comes in a plastic bag in multiple KGs it's probably not pure, huh.

What about melting point tests? Any issues with those? Should be 271C melting point for sn. Simply using a capillary tube, heat source/Bunsen burner, and a thermometer. Wouldn't be able to determine total purity, but if it melts at 271C should be relatively pure.

 

[unworthy_]

I assume the purity is good to go ?

 

[artificialpasta]

Onto Nembutal, although it isn't talked about much anymore

I haven't been here in a while. I thought N was the default? Has something changed since? Not that I'd have access to it anyway...

 

[user671]

I have a question: I got my SN in a black plastic screw cap bottle (im not sure if it is HDPE or PP), it came sealed, but I broke the screw cap seal to open it (i did it only once) to check it out, screw it back, and now the plastic bottle is inside a box in my drawer.
It seems well closed like a normal bottle would be. I opened and closed it over a month ago.
It was manufactured in 2024 and the expiration date says 2030. I don't intend to CTB soon, for now i'm just perfecting the plan,so I'm thinking of keeping it until it expires. But reading this and other threads I got quite confused...
Can the air particles that the closed SN bottle is exposed to be enough to diminish it's shelf life to, let's say, 1 year, or some months instead of 6 as stated by the manufacturer? As I said the closed bottle was opened a month ago, I'm not sure if I diminished its potency (I couldnt find aquarium test strips to test its purity where I live, I really tried) to the extent it became unusable.
Also, there's a considerable gap between the salt and the cap, like just a tad more than the half of it.
If so, should I order another SN batch and just trust the same manufacturer and never check it this time around and put the sealed bottle in a kitchen airtight jar?
I've read that I should put the SN in an airtight container, or that I should keep it in its original bottle, some sources claimed that it couldn't be a "normal airtight kitchen jar"...
I'm afraid of asking these questions to the manufacturer and raise suspicions...

Thanks!

 

[happier than ever]

can we mix the solution a few hours in advance?

 

[user671]

If you mean the small clear glass bottle with a black cap, these are for display. But relocating the NaNO2 into a glass container is a step in the right direction. This chemical almost always ships in a plastic container or even in a plastic bag. According to research done for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, around 525 micrograms of water diffuses through HDPE each year.
NaNO2 in a solution should be stored in a refrigerator.

Is there a difference if it's stored in neutral or alkaline glass? I just know it's got to be amber colored

 

[georgec1992]

Could someone please private message me where I can buy sodium nitrate in the UK. Thank You

 

[Trappednocure]

Regarding stability of N. So it would probably still work like 2 years after expiration date for instance then but since we would generally consume it by drinking, wouldnt the taste be absolutely unbareable if you used it past expiration date? If I understand correctly you need to take anti vomit pill when using it and you are not allowed to drink anything else or mix it with anything else. And If u do drink something else it should be a shot of something or something small with a lot of taste to remove the after taste?

 

[jc2121]

I'd like to preface this to hopefully help people not make rash decisions due to the fear that their suicide method will go "bad" and they feel forced to take it before they truly want to. Freedom of choice means everything.

There is a lot of misconception on here about how long both of these chemicals last before they are no longer useable. both SN and N are highly stable compounds in general when stored in a cool, dry, dark environment and unopened the change in potency will diminish very slowly over time. Even when stored in "unstable" conditions, they both will last for a very long time and the loss of potency is negligible. Almost all chemicals are good past their expiration date, an expiration date is not what you may think, " Since a law was passed in 1979, drug manufacturers are required to stamp an expiration date on their products. This is the date at which the manufacturer can still guarantee the full potency and safety of the drug." [1] most drugs will last for decades past expiration, some even for centuries. In the US expired drugs are sold to the military at a discounted price since legally they are no longer acceptable to be sold to the general public.

Stability of Sodium Nitrite

First we will look at SN since it is far more commonly used. "Curing salt has no hard expiration date. If your curing salt is only salt and sodium nitrate or sodium nitrite, it's good forever. Salt itself never goes bad, though yellowing and other discoloration is common. Moisture is a potential problem as it attracts microbes. To prevent such threats, store curing salts in dry, moisture-lock, airtight containers and in a cool dry place, such as your pantry or a dry goods storage closet. Do not refrigerate or freeze curing salt." [2]

Some people are worried that clumping lowers it's efficacy, this is not the case. Here is a picture of pure sodium nitrite [3] and as you can see there is clumping. Small compounds will slowly stick together over time, it is natural and usually has nothing to do with it's efficacy.

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Another article showing that is it highly stable
click here

This is a picture of an aquarium test strip that was used on SN that has been sitting in a bottle of tap water with a cap on for almost a year. previously it was believed you needed to use distilled water to insure sodium nitrite would breakdown into sodium nitrate at a much slower rate. considering this SN is still useable in very subpar conditions shows this is not the case as well as shows how stable it is as a compound.

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This shows Sodium Nitrite is much more stable than previously thought, even in unpleasant environments.

Stability of Nembutal (pentobarbital)

Onto Nembutal, although it isn't talked about much anymore I still think it would be a good idea to show some information regarding it. In the past there was a lot of fear that it would go bad past the due date, as well as once it was opened you had to drink it in a certain amount of time. I would like to showcase why this is wrong.

I believe these two articles are the most notable and shows N in both it's stable and unstable environment and how it reacts.

Article 1: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26234474/

The biggest takeaway from this is, "We determined that the drug degraded at a maximum of 0.5% per year in our preparation (alkaline water/propylene glycol/ethanol) when stored in the dark at room temperature. "

Article 2: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23982045/

The biggest takeaway from this is, "the pentobarbital sodium in injection appears to be very stable, because the loss in potency was only about 6.2% after it was boiled in water for 1.5 hours."

This isn't really related but I thought I'd share this as well. There is an anecdotal report on Erowid about a person who took N recreationally for an extended period of time. The biggest thing to note is they found expired vet N had a worse taste. "some of the bottles were past a use-by date they seemed to be the most foul to drink and provided an inferior experience". An inferior experience in this context refers to the high and possibly that the potency of N was only slightly diminished.

Pentobarbital - Erowid Exp - 'Nice but Zombie Effects Long Term'

An Experience with Pentobarbital. 'Nice but Zombie Effects Long Term' by Whynot

www.erowid.org

As you can see N is also a highly stable compound and will last long past it's shelf life with very little loss in potency. When the liquid turns cloudy it means nothing in terms of efficacy loss and is just an arbitrary rule in determining it is no longer good for sterile use in a medical setting.


I hope this thread has helped to clear up the air that Sodium Nitrite and Nembutal do not go bad quickly. You do not have to make a rushed decision to ctb because of the fear that either compound will not work. both substances are highly lethal decades past expiration. Exercise caution and make sure ctb is the right choice for you.





[1] https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/drug-expiration-dates-do-they-mean-anything
[2] https://www.leaf.tv/articles/does-curing-salt-expire/
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrite

Did you have to give a reason to buy SN? I am stuck on what to say?