sodium nitrite: what did it feel like before you passed out?

[alfie]

to survivors of suicide attempts via sodium nitrite, what did it feel like before you lost consciousness? was there any pain and/or discomfort? interested to know because sn is the best method available to me right now. i would much prefer n but it is rather out of reach. thank you very much

 

[Crushed_Innocence]

Maybe ask those from this thread

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/members-attempting-with-sn-success-failure.22018/

 

[DeathImminent]

Maybe ask those from this thread

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/members-attempting-with-sn-success-failure.22018/

That list is not truthful

 

[Crushed_Innocence]

That list is not truthful

From the ones who claim they attempted and failed?

 

[Return2Dust]

to survivors of suicide attempts via sodium nitrite, what did it feel like before you lost consciousness? was there any pain and/or discomfort? interested to know because sn is the best method available to me right now. i would much prefer n but it is rather out of reach. thank you very much

The ones I read who succeeded said their hearts were pounding. They then reporting laying down and being peaceful. I believe there were two last night.

 

[heylightiforgot]

Curious about this too

 

[milorddd]

What I'm curious about is whether you get seizures or not? If you do get one, do you feel it or it happens after you passed out and didn't feel a thing.

 

[trynacbt]

Commenting to follow-- thanks for creating this thread, OP.

 

[sleepy dog]

If we believe every post, it seems to be little pain. Reports of a warm or hot chest, fast heartbeat, dizziness. But if it does something horrible, I think it would be too hard to post that info due to it currently happening to them.

 

[Rachel74]

asking for a friend but even if they follow the 48hr regime, take meto and throw up can they still die from that or is it best to abort and call an ambulance?
@Timetoleave
This might help

 

[trynacbt]

asking for a friend but even if they follow the 48hr regime, take meto and throw up can they still die from that or is it best to abort and call an ambulance?
@Timetoleave
This might help

One option would be to take another dose of the SN. Of course that would probably induce more vomiting, but I do think the person could still ctb provided they weren't caught/found.

 

[Timetoleave]

I was thinking of putting it into capsules as I'm not sure I could drink something that salty

 

[Corraled]

It can also be injected, no vomit.

 

[Soul]

It can also be injected, no vomit.

Well ... a lot of things *can* be done, but that doesn't mean they're effective or within normal thresholds of tolerance to pain. Could you provide sources, please? Thanks.

 

[Rachel74]

Does capsules take longer for it to work?

 

[Corraled]

Well ... a lot of things *can* be done, but that doesn't mean they're effective or within normal thresholds of tolerance to pain. Could you provide sources, please? Thanks.

Sodium Nitrite Injection: Package Insert / Prescribing Info / MOA

Sodium Nitrite Injection package insert / prescribing information for healthcare professionals. Includes: indications, dosage, adverse reactions and pharmacology.

www.drugs.com

 

[Ἡγησίας]

Does capsules take longer for it to work?

I think it does, maybe 20-30 minutes longer than with water diluted SN.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-capsules.21668/

 

[Rachel74]

Hopefully my friend is reading this and it will help them. It was easy to get SN and meto today so it's possible.

 

[n0505]

Thanks op

 

[Soul]

Sodium Nitrite Injection: Package Insert / Prescribing Info / MOA

Sodium Nitrite Injection package insert / prescribing information for healthcare professionals. Includes: indications, dosage, adverse reactions and pharmacology.

www.drugs.com

Thanks, @Corraled, but that article is about IV administration of low, nonfatal doses of SN, and it doesn't say anything at all about injecting lethal doses, which would very likely be very painful.

 

[Stan]

Thanks, @Corraled, but that article is about IV administration of low, nonfatal doses of SN, and it doesn't say anything at all about injecting lethal doses, which would very likely be very painful.

I have done some research on this because at first I was very keen on the idea but decided it was a bad one, will cut and paste from another thread here.

I still stand by the principle that it could be done but the research hit a dead end for the following reasons. So with my amateur sleuth hat on and absolutely no medical training, my big concerns are:

1. No way of determining the correct dose for SN entering the bloodstream rather than ingestion, Absolutely vital information
2. Without knowing dosage, can't say how many injections is needed. My last guess was about 40ml of a 3% solution IV to achieve the goal, that is a lot to inject!
3. Even though it can be delivered IM, IV would be the quickest way. That's a skill that I and many others don't posses in completing
4. Vials of SN solution can be bought only through medical suppliers. The process for making a 'home made' 3% solution carries far too many risks.
5. SN is an irritant to skin, when used in the treatment of cyanide poisoning it is delivered by a slow IV injection. There must be a reason for it being slow which I cannot find, is it because it is an irritant? Would the vein close up if a large amount was administered quickly?

So in principle you could do it. Just that I don't know how to inject that much fluid IV in a very short time span on my own or get the pharma grade SN vials.

Apologies if its a bit 'flim flam' as I was quite excited by the thought initially of doing SN without regimen and some unpleasantness regarding drinking it, but I'm afraid going IV would probably need some clinical apparatus setup to achieve it and a far more educated brain than I to actually say how it should be done.

No source links, just old Dr Frankenstein here cobbling snippets of information together. It was when I was looking at the potential dosage and the quality of a home made 3% solution I decided the risks were too large and I was not ready to be a lab rat for the process.

to survivors of suicide attempts via sodium nitrite, what did it feel like before you lost consciousness? was there any pain and/or discomfort? interested to know because sn is the best method available to me right now. i would much prefer n but it is rather out of reach. thank you very much

Read the relevant pages in the PPH for what was seen in the observed deaths

 

[Roger]

Thanks, @Corraled, but that article is about IV administration of low, nonfatal doses of SN, and it doesn't say anything at all about injecting lethal doses, which would very likely be very painful.

The article @Corraled posted is very informative, despite referring to therapeutic doses of SN as treatment for cyanide poisoning, so it's well worth reading carefully. There is a lot of information regarding SN dosages and symptoms, so thanks for posting, @Corraled .

The SN component in the liquid dosage given for cyanide poisoning is 300mg which is less than 2% of the recommended dose for our purposes

There is, in fact, a report in there of a fatality when an adult therapeutic dose was mistakenly administered.

 

[Soul]

The article @Corraled posted is very informative, despite referring to therapeutic doses of SN as treatment for cyanide poisoning, so it's well worth reading carefully. There is a lot of information regarding SN dosages and symptoms, so thanks for posting, @Corraled .

The SN component in the liquid dosage given for cyanide poisoning is 300mg which is less than 2% of the recommended dose for our purposes

There is, in fact, a report in there of a fatality when an adult therapeutic dose was mistakenly administered.

The article is indeed very informative, but it doesn't seem possible to me to infer from it what I'd need to do to kill myself by injecting SN, especially if I were to attempt intramuscular injections. Are SN injections (IV or intramuscular) painful? Is self-administration complicated (eg by a likelihood of passing out before a lethal dose is administered)? What would I need to do to ensure my somewhat-clumpy SN is properly dissolved for injections? And so on.

If someone wants to experiment, that's up to them, but it's important for people to know that that's what they'd be doing if they try it.

 

[Stan]

Glad everyone skipped past my post and research!

 

[Soul]

Glad everyone skipped past my post and research!

I didn't skip it! I'm glad you came to those conclusions! Thanks for the detailed reasoning! Thanks for posting and re-posting it!

 

[Roger]

Glad everyone skipped past my post and research!

Oh dear, I feel such a vapid imbecile.

Anyway, addressing the first question in your list (no way of knowing correct dosage for IV administration compared to ingestion), the report does have this to say, (my emphasis)

"Sodium nitrite administration has been reported to cause or significantly contribute to mortality in adults at oral doses as low as 1 g and intravenous doses as low as 600 mg. "

Does that not indicate equivalence between an intravenous dose of 60% of the ingested dose ?

It's pretty obvious that a self-administered lethal dose of SN cannot realistically be delivered intravenously.

Recommended ingested dose = 25gm
60% of that = 15gm
SN in liquid form contains 300mg SN in 10ml water.

That means that you would need 50 liquid doses @ 10ml, or half a litre.

 

[Stan]

Anyway, addressing the first question in your list (no way of knowing correct dosage for IV administration compared to ingestion), the report does have this to say, (my emphasis)

"Sodium nitrite administration has been reported to cause or significantly contribute to mortality in adults at oral doses as low as 1 g and intravenous doses as low as 600 mg. "

Does that not indicate equivalence between an intravenous dose of 60% of the ingested dose ?

It's pretty obvious that a self-administered lethal dose of SN cannot realistically be delivered intravenously.

Recommended ingested dose = 25gm
60% of that = 15gm
SN in liquid form contains 300mg SN in 10ml water.

That means that you would need 50 liquid doses @ 10ml, or half a litre.

So this is just from my research, and sometimes my research just does not stop with articles that have sodium nitrite as a subject, the research also has to branch out into other things. For this I had to look at the difference between the ingestion orally of a drug vs IV. Human metabolism and the process of toxin elimination via the digestive system. The answer is yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands.

When ingesting, the liver has a good crack at cleansing toxins before it reaches the bloodstream. The stomach does not transfer consumed items into the bloodstream from my understanding, it is the small intestine that does that. So if you take a dose of say 15gm of SN, the digestive process will eliminate some of that perhaps before it gets to the blood. Taking something IV, your system will assume that you liver will have had at least a passing glance at it and just circulate it around the body. So the time difference for ingestion vs IV is pretty obvious.

The lack of liver activity for IV also means that technically you need less weight of SN to do the job. The SN vials used in cyanide poisoning don't come in mg but volume percentage in a solution/liquid. Obviously with some maths you can work out what that actually means in weight if so desired. Advisory notes that come with the SN vials that death could come after two 10ml doses (20ml for those who are tired of doing maths). However, we then need to factor in natural tolerances and the ongoing blood cleansing process that the human body has, each of us are different. That's why I took a guess and suggested 40ml to achieve the job as to overwhelm that cleansing activity.

There is also the condition of the vein/muscle to consider. When doing cyanide poisoning resolution, the SN is practically trickled into the vein rather than just shot in. Can't find the reason for this anywhere. The only clue I have was with @gingerplum when I first muted this. Varicose veins are treated with salt injections to close them up. So perhaps just shoving the hypodermic needle in and shooting in a load of SN quickly would do serious tissue damage and in turn prevent getting the SN into the bloodstream. That is pure speculation from me rather than fact.

i am not a real doctor, I just play one on TV.

 

[Jean4]

Glad everyone skipped past my post and research!

I didn't Stan. Just got to it... and good morning :)

 

[gingerplum]

There is also the condition of the vein/muscle to consider. When doing cyanide poisoning resolution, the SN is practically trickled into the vein rather than just shot in. Can't find the reason for this anywhere. The only clue I have was with @gingerplum when I first muted this. Varicose veins are treated with salt injections to close them up. So perhaps just shoving the hypodermic needle in and shooting in a load of SN quickly would do serious tissue damage and in turn prevent getting the SN into the bloodstream.

I mean, yeah, this makes perfect sense. Hypertonic saline solutions are used for "sclerotherapy," or getting rid of little spider veins & varicose veins. If it's that damaging to the lumen of the vein, I just can't imagine what a big IV bolus of it would look like.