Method SN may not be the best choice

[roommate]

There are some, yes. I personally prefer to assume they are being honest, but in any case they admitted that they didn't follow the protocol, so it makes sense it would have been a failure. And if they had poor judgement when they decided to make a weird mix of body armor, ginger ale and too much SN, they could have been wrong about the "potent" and "pure" SN too, and it could have been contaminated or been another different product altogether.

If my doctor gives me Ibuprofen for my pain and I decide to OD on it, then I can't complain that it's too dangerous and it's not a good way to relieve pain.

Yea the story has so many cracks that it leaks on every sentence made.
I totally agree with you.

The person also made a new thread, which makes me doubt even more about the trustworthyness of the information given.

Prescriptions?

I looked through the threads and the jump section. I see multiple comments saying that it’s not likely to be successful. However, what are your thoughts on using the following combination at the same time? Tizanidine 480mg Seroquel 8880mg Librax approximately 15 of 2.5-5mg Valium 40mg Buproprion...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[billie]

for me personally, sn is the best method

 

[grapevoid]

for me personally, sn is the best method

I have seen a few posts lately of people failing with this method though it seems they've mostly A- not followed protocol or B- got help too quickly. I can't tell for sure as some people aren't very forthcoming with the details. I still think this is one of the best options available (I've toggled between sn and inert gas) I wish people would be honest and detailed because there is no way to make it completely non-traumatic but these seem the best options as far as your "condition" in death as someone will find you and someone who cares about you will have to identify you.

 

[Le_Dauphin]

Do you have a better alternative in mind?

I can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of taking SN but, it still seems the best choice for me personally still.

Honestly, these people (OP) truly annoy me. They're clearly not desperate enough, they shoudn't even be here.

 

[regular john]

Does it make sense to try sn without antiemetics ? I don't have Access to them

 

[Valhala]

If we consider the price, availability, reliability, relatively quiet output of SN is one of the best methods, some that are potentially better are almost unavailable (N) or too complicated (inert gas).

 

[Kbeau]

The body is entirely too good at throwing shit up that it doesn't want in it's stomach

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

And the energy vampire / pro-lifer / troll / motherfucking bot got exactly what they wanted.
Well played "new member" .
I'm so tired of this shit, I shouldn't have read it, I shouldn't have responded...

Does the board get these pro-lifers attempting to manipulate people into not ctb'ing often? I feel like the board would be a great breeding ground for both people who want to convince others to ctb out of sadism or others who want to save people by convincing them not to out of skewed empathy.

 

[howunfortunateforme]

The body is entirely too good at throwing shit up that it doesn't want in it's stomach

But can still absorb some of it

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Does the board get these pro-lifers attempting to manipulate people into not ctb'ing often? I feel like the board would be a great breeding ground for both people who want to convince others to ctb out of sadism or others who want to save people by convincing them not to out of skewed empathy.

Yes. Quite frequently. It's one of the anti-choicer's tactics.

SN is far from a perfect method. It's not my method. And there is no such thing as a perfect method. But, it's way better than a lot of other methods out there. If it wasn't so effective, why would governments be taking drastic steps to try and keep it out of the hands of those who seek it?

 

[grapevoid]

If we consider the price, availability, reliability, relatively quiet output of SN is one of the best methods, some that are potentially better are almost unavailable (N) or too complicated (inert gas).

Agreed. inert gas is my first choice but it is more complicated than you may realize and my failed attempt was with helium, though I think a second time I could do this, getting a tank of gas is too obvious now that people are aware of the method irl around me. I see SN as the next best option and the easiest to plan undetected for my geographical location at least. It's also less expensive than the gas set up, no concern about failing and having your hundreds of dollars of equipment confiscated.

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Agreed. inert gas is my first choice but it is more complicated than you may realize and my failed attempt was with helium, though I think a second time I could do this, getting a tank of gas is too obvious now that people are aware of the method irl around me. I see SN as the next best option and the easiest to plan undetected for my geographical location at least. It's also less expensive than the gas set up, no concern about failing and having your hundreds of dollars of equipment confiscated.

How did you fail with helium? I've read it's just drift off to sleep. Just because it's difficult to get the exit bag properly situated to allow you to expel CO2 while still maintaining the bag with the proper amount of inert gas?

 

[grapevoid]

How did you fail with helium? I've read it's just drift off to sleep. Just because it's difficult to get the exit bag properly situated to allow you to expel CO2 while still maintaining the bag with the proper amount of inert gas?

I did pass out and apparently removed the bag and pulled the tube out. Not exactly sure how or when, and I didn't wake up immediately. I scheduled a text for an hour out that went out because I was passed out and when I woke up I was in the ambulance. I was fine physically speaking, I stayed in the hospital for 2 days for observation then I was transferred to the mental health unit. It's been nearly 2 months but my family is still pretty attentive.
I mean it's more difficult than you think because everyone acts like you just pass out and fade out but apparently that isn't accurate because I passed out and SI still worked just fine.

 

[Eudaimonic]

I did pass out and apparently removed the bag and pulled the tube out. Not exactly sure how or when, and I didn't wake up immediately. I scheduled a text for an hour out that went out because I was passed out and when I woke up I was in the ambulance. I was fine physically speaking, I stayed in the hospital for 2 days for observation then I was transferred to the mental health unit. It's been nearly 2 months but my family is still pretty attentive.
I mean it's more difficult than you think because everyone acts like you just pass out and fade out but apparently that isn't accurate because I passed out and SI still worked just fine.

maybe co2 levels built up but hypoxia wasn't sufficient to prevent triggering of hypercapnic alarm? that's all i can think of tbh

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

I did pass out and apparently removed the bag and pulled the tube out. Not exactly sure how or when, and I didn't wake up immediately. I scheduled a text for an hour out that went out because I was passed out and when I woke up I was in the ambulance. I was fine physically speaking, I stayed in the hospital for 2 days for observation then I was transferred to the mental health unit. It's been nearly 2 months but my family is still pretty attentive.
I mean it's more difficult than you think because everyone acts like you just pass out and fade out but apparently that isn't accurate because I passed out and SI still worked just fine.

SI, I keep seeing that acronym here. What does that mean? Yeah as @grapevoid mentioned, it makes the most sense that the CO2 built up.

 

[grapevoid]

SI, I keep seeing that acronym here. What does that mean? Yeah as @grapevoid mentioned, it makes the most sense that the CO2 built up.

Survival instinct

maybe co2 levels built up but hypoxia wasn't sufficient to prevent triggering of hypercapnic alarm? that's all i can think of tbh

I'm assuming. I must have repositioned or done something as I passed out that messed me up somehow. I think with setting up differently, like positioning myself and the gas in a different manner this could still be an effective option for me. I'm not afraid to try it again, I'm only concerned that it would be difficult to get the items unnoticed which is why I'm defaulting to sn and hoping I don't start throwing up immediately. But the medication for the protocol is very available to me or at least some form of it. I wouldn't be willing to try it without the medication.

 

[SummerSolesLongLost]

Just a pro-life troll, nothing to see here move along.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

You mean that there is a lot of bullshit in this place right?

Yep. There are so many helpful, genuine, shiny beautiful people here who have helped me endlessly (except for the bit where most of them died). And then, there's this shit. Aiming for a reaction. Getting a reaction. All we've all done is given them exactly what they wanted.
It's hard for me to see this shit & not wanna slap them down with facts. It's hard for me to see other people engaging so.thoroughly, the way I sometimes do too. But there's a difference between wanting debate, or answers, or anything at all, & just wanting to make other people implode & succeeding. We are human & want to be right & have truth prevail. But ffs, I'm just too tired to take this on any more & wish I hadn't. Sorry. The energy vampires sucked the last of my energy - I wonder what atrocities I've fuelled with that. Apologies. I used to be fun. I think.

Does the board get these pro-lifers attempting to manipulate people into not ctb'ing often? I feel like the board would be a great breeding ground for both people who want to convince others to ctb out of sadism or others who want to save people by convincing them not to out of skewed empathy.

I always keep the neither encourage or discourage rule at the back of my mind. That doesn't seem to be shared by everyone. I find it easier to only properly interact with people who have decided to go. The amount of recovery stuff that is sent to me is overwhelming. Hand in hand with god stuff. As an atheist. I have respect for others beliefs, which is why I just state mine so it's out there, but never try to convert anyone to my team. (Except one private convo on the merit of agnosticism being less arrogant, although more fence-sitty, but it was a mutual, respectful sharing of ideas & random thoughts & songs)
And people sending me messages requesting sources when I couldn't be more clear about that. And there are defs people here trying to save lives. And some sociopaths getting their vicarious thrills. And just fucking trolls being trolls. I know it makes me sound like a fucking idiot, I just always want this place to rise above being an internet forum, any forum, to being one with respect & an awareness that this is the last stop for so many people, shouldn't it be possible to just not be an asshole in just one place???? Cannot be done. I know. But it was challenging watching a friends gbt as they were getting ready to die - I was so hyper vigilant, ready to take on anyone that said anything AT ALL, & then we were so overwhelmed by the loveliness, the generosity. The bullshit didn't start til after they died, which came as a surprise as the guard was let down so their friends had to tackle that shit but hopefully if they got the nothingness they craved, they never knew about the bullshit something that came after their nothingness. Ffs, I've forgotten your question & my point. I think I need to go to bed. Apologies.

 

[Mav]

I am curious about your experience, I've read the mega thread many times, is it possible you fasted too long? Isn't it advised if you fast too long you are more likely to become sick? Additionally, what do you mean you dumped as much as you could? How much did you take?

This isn't meant to be combative, I'm genuinely curious, I'm trying to explore all the experiences so I don't make a mistake. If I wake up from an attempt again I might just cbt violently out of desperation and I don't think that would be fair to my family. :/

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T. Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience. Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous. I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work. Nothing is guaranteed. You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

Not trying to be mean but it genuinely seems like you followed zero of the steps outlined in the protocol. No wonder it didn't work and you were violently ill.

1) You fasted too long. 8-10 hours is the generally advised amount of time to fast as you don't want your stomach to be too acidic, and fasting for an extended period can make you more prone to vomiting

2) You don't just "dump as much as you can." 20-25 grams is the protocol standard, so you should have measured

3) You're supposed to mix the SN in WATER only. Not ginger ale or anything other than water

4) This could be irrelevant, but the trustworthiness or your source is also questionable. You say you got it from your profession, but I personally just feel like that could have had something to do with it as well

With all that said, please stop pedaling your experience as if it's the rule rather than the exception. Because, other than you, I've never seen anyone report symptoms like yours here from a failed SN attempt. Whatever went wrong was absolutely on your end and likely has nothing to do with a flaw of the standard protocol.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

Just a pro-life troll, nothing to see here move along.

Absolutely false. Read on….

Yep. There are so many helpful, genuine, shiny beautiful people here who have helped me endlessly (except for the bit where most of them died). And then, there's this shit. Aiming for a reaction. Getting a reaction. All we've all done is given them exactly what they wanted.
It's hard for me to see this shit & not wanna slap them down with facts. It's hard for me to see other people engaging so.thoroughly, the way I sometimes do too. But there's a difference between wanting debate, or answers, or anything at all, & just wanting to make other people implode & succeeding. We are human & want to be right & have truth prevail. But ffs, I'm just too tired to take this on any more & wish I hadn't. Sorry. The energy vampires sucked the last of my energy - I wonder what atrocities I've fuelled with that. Apologies. I used to be fun. I think.

I always keep the neither encourage or discourage rule at the back of my mind. That doesn't seem to be shared by everyone. I find it easier to only properly interact with people who have decided to go. The amount of recovery stuff that is sent to me is overwhelming. Hand in hand with god stuff. As an atheist. I have respect for others beliefs, which is why I just state mine so it's out there, but never try to convert anyone to my team. (Except one private convo on the merit of agnosticism being less arrogant, although more fence-sitty, but it was a mutual, respectful sharing of ideas & random thoughts & songs)
And people sending me messages requesting sources when I couldn't be more clear about that. And there are defs people here trying to save lives. And some sociopaths getting their vicarious thrills. And just fucking trolls being trolls. I know it makes me sound like a fucking idiot, I just always want this place to rise above being an internet forum, any forum, to being one with respect & an awareness that this is the last stop for so many people, shouldn't it be possible to just not be an asshole in just one place???? Cannot be done. I know. But it was challenging watching a friends gbt as they were getting ready to die - I was so hyper vigilant, ready to take on anyone that said anything AT ALL, & then we were so overwhelmed by the loveliness, the generosity. The bullshit didn't start til after they died, which came as a surprise as the guard was let down so their friends had to tackle that shit but hopefully if they got the nothingness they craved, they never knew about the bullshit something that came after their nothingness. Ffs, I've forgotten your question & my point. I think I need to go to bed. Apologies.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

 

[Mav]

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T. Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience. Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous. I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work. Nothing is guaranteed. You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

Absolutely false. Read on….

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Good thing there is usually a way of testing the purity of the substance beforehand. There is no method that I would consider a "quick way out" besides maybe a gun. Every other method has its flaws.

Agreed. But even a firearm can prove futile. Why does this have to be so hard to do? Jeeezus!!!!

They recommend it because it is relatively the most peaceful, widely available and reliable method when using the entire regime. Not everyone has access to weapons, not everyone has nerves of steel to jump in front of a train or jump from a height. SN and hanging are the most available methods. It doesn't matter whether the purity is 98% or 50%. That's why you make 2 drinks of 25g each, so that there is a reserve. The tests are inaccurate when indicating the concentration by 1%, but not so much that they are wrong by, say, 50%.

Thank you for that info.