Discussion SI and Firearms

[QuincyME]

Has anyone ever purchased a firearm for the express purpose of CBT but failed to pull the trigger at the moment of truth? I have easy access to purchasing a firearm and have decided on the caliber I'm going to use, but I don't want to shell out the money if I'm going to find myself unable to pull the trigger when it really counts. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I think SI is going to be inherent in ANY method you choose. Just as you may be unable to "pull the trigger" with a firearm, you may, also, be unable to jump from a tall building, stick your neck down on the railroad track, drink the glass of Nembutal or SN, kick the chair out from under yourself while the noose is around your neck, enter into your tent that is filled with CO gas, etc, etc, etc. It's not the method causing the SI; it's about the result that the method may bring about. I really don't believe in "souls" per say, but I do separate the body from the "consciousness", which is you. The body doesn't want to die and has evolved it's own mechanisms of survival over thousands of years. You have to overcome the body's innate ability to protect itself. It's hard.

Just curious....what caliber gun did you decide on? Handgun?

 

[CasperDaGhost]

Yes. I can't speak on the difficulty of other methods. But I know going by shotgun has some insane difficulty. During my last attempt I got the furthest I ever had. I had it loaded, safety off, and I was certain I was going to do it. In fact I was so sure, that I was congratulating myself for being able to do it. And as I'm sure you can tell, SI beat my ass.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

i used to own a .44 mag. i think i'd definitely have si from that since even shooting it away from me always unnerved me a bit.

 

[Guy Smiley]

Yes. I can't speak on the difficulty of other methods. But I know going by shotgun has some insane difficulty. During my last attempt I got the furthest I ever had. I had it loaded, safety off, and I was certain I was going to do it. In fact I was so sure, that I was congratulating myself for being able to do it. And as I'm sure you can tell, SI beat my ass.

Just curious, but do you think a handgun would be easier for you? If so, what is it specifically about a shotgun (as opposed to a handgun) that is causing so much SI?

 

[CasperDaGhost]

Just curious, but do you think a handgun would be easier for you? If so, what is it specifically about a shotgun (as opposed to a handgun) that is causing so much SI?

Probably not. The mess that will come from using a shotgun definitely screws with me a bit. But with a handgun there's a lot more possibility for error and I'd be far more scared of just making myself a vegetable. With a shotgun, as long as you don't do it stupidly there's very little room for error.

As for what stopped me, it was mostly fear of pain and death. Even though I knew it's one of the fastest, and least painful ways to go, there was still a niggling thought in the back of my head telling me the pain could still be bad and death might be eternal torture, or something equally horrifying.

And well, you're putting a shotgun in your mouth. There's definitely some intrinsic fear that'll mess with you there.

 

[QuincyME]

I think SI is going to be inherent in ANY method you choose. Just as you may be unable to "pull the trigger" with a firearm, you may, also, be unable to jump from a tall building, stick your neck down on the railroad track, drink the glass of Nembutal or SN, kick the chair out from under yourself while the noose is around your neck, enter into your tent that is filled with CO gas, etc, etc, etc. It's not the method causing the SI; it's about the result that the method may bring about. I really don't believe in "souls" per say, but I do separate the body from the "consciousness", which is you. The body doesn't want to die and has evolved it's own mechanisms of survival over thousands of years. You have to overcome the body's innate ability to protect itself. It's hard.

Just curious....what caliber gun did you decide on? Handgun?

Handgun - .357 I know a shotgun in the mouth would be 100% effective, but I just can't wrap my brain around using one.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Has anyone ever purchased a firearm for the express purpose of CBT but failed to pull the trigger at the moment of truth? I have easy access to purchasing a firearm and have decided on the caliber I'm going to use, but I don't want to shell out the money if I'm going to find myself unable to pull the trigger when it really counts. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

I have a .38, a 9mm and a .45 caliber pistol in my home. My husband loved guns. But I knew from the beginning that I could not blow my brains out. It's a lot easier for me to put on my SCUBA mask and breath in nitrogen. I'm at the end of everything in this existence. But I still could not put a gun to my head and pull the trigger. Guns pretty much needs to be your one and only possible route to freedom to do it. That or you're just one of THOSE people.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Handgun - .357 I know a shotgun in the mouth would be 100% effective, but I just can't wrap my brain around using one.

I hear you, but I wouldn't even want the minuscule chance of surviving an attempt and then have to "live" with the aftermath. If using a firearm were my method, I'd definitely use a shotgun in the mouth. I'd just want it to be over with and be assured as I could possibly be that it would be. To hell with the mess. I know everyone's different in their thinking, and in what they can and can't do, and I respect that. A .357 should get the job done with no issues. Make sure your angle is correct. You only get the one shot.

 

[CasperDaGhost]

I was just reading on Lost All Hope and found this. Definitely something to take into consideration.

 

[dragonofenvy]

I was just reading on Lost All Hope and found this. Definitely something to take into consideration.View attachment 130631

Egh, looks like I might need to rethink using a pistol.

 

[Seasmoke]

This will be my method, I've had the gun in my mouth multiple times, all I had to do was pull the trigger, couldn't do it. Partially because I had range ammunition and not self defense ammunition. This time will be different, I'm going to do it next week. I plan on being a tad intoxicated but not so much I miss the brain stem. Also making sure I don't flinch.

 

[BrainShower]

I have known 3 people who failed using a pistol, and went on to live very horrible lives.(I worked in a brain injury rehab)

For me, shotgun is the only choice. Much much lower chance of failure, especially if you know what you are doing, which I also recommend.

 

[JordanF]

Handgun - .357 I know a shotgun in the mouth would be 100% effective, but I just can't wrap my brain around using one.

I have known 3 people who failed using a pistol, and went on to live very horrible lives.(I worked in a brain injury rehab)

For me, shotgun is the only choice. Much much lower chance of failure, especially if you know what you are doing, which I also recommend.

Just as a note, you can't aim too far forward if you have it in the mouth because you will miss the brain. I saw a horrifying picture of someone who shot himself in the mouth with a shotgun and it destroyed half his face but missed his brain. I felt absolutely terrible for him, and I hope he ended up getting the peace that he wanted. I couldn't imagine living a life like that.

 

[BrainShower]

I have known 3 people who failed using a pistol, and went on to live very horrible lives.(I worked in a brain injury rehab)

For me, shotgun is the only choice. Much much lower chance of failure, especially if you know what you are doing, which I also recommend.

I will say that those people almost definitely used a .22 or a 9mm. Not good choices.

A .357 or .45 caliber would definitely be more effective.

 

[QuincyME]

I will say that those people almost definitely used a .22 or a 9mm. Not good choices.

A .357 or .45 caliber would definitely be more effective.

I have known 3 people who failed using a pistol, and went on to live very horrible lives.(I worked in a brain injury rehab)

For me, shotgun is the only choice. Much much lower chance of failure, especially if you know what you are doing, which I also recommend.

Can you elaborate on how their lives became horrible? Where did they aim? What caliber did they use?

 

[Alexandra_]

I have a shotgun. But no matter how much I want to, I can't pull that damn trigger

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I have a shotgun. But no matter how much I want to, I can't pull that damn trigger

Same. Me too

Parts of my brain know I need to and want to that it will work but others say it won't work and other things to stop me for now

Imo I'm brainwashed. Its a battle inside the brain between different models.

The "1000 brains theory " book, "incognito " book and other brain books give clues to what is going in in the brain

Incognito by David Eagleman

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The Book Incognito Three Sentences

Conscious thought has a surprisingly small impact on your life and most of your behaviors are driven by the unconscious mind. There are competing beliefs within your unconscious mind that are all battling for the single output of your conscious behavior. The complex interactions between your genetics and your environment determine the trajectory of your life.

The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence

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The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence proposes that rather than learning one model of an object (or concept), the brain builds many models of each object or concept
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my interpretation: attention: a human can think about only one thing at a time

 

[Alexandra_]

Same. Me too

Have you thought about choosing another way? I will use SN because I dream of escaping this life as soon as possible

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Have you thought about choosing another way? I will use SN because I dream of escaping this life as soon as possible

Yes shotgun and sn i have both. I'm trying to decide on a method but need to fast. I have a horrible life that will get much worse .

What goes through ur mind when u think about using the shotgun and then sn ? What detailed thoughts or feelings are stopping u?

 

[Alexandra_]

Yes shotgun and sn i have both. I'm trying to decide on a method but need to fast. I have a horrible life that will get much worse .

What goes through ur mind when u think about using the shotgun and then sn ? What detailed thoughts or feelings are stopping u?

I just can't pull the trigger. Maybe if I had a gun, I could. Then again, using a gun is risky