Help Scientific Help Needed, SN without tasting it, (Not Capsules or Rizla\Rolling Papers) Chocolate Flavoured

[Suez]

Thanks @Suez for your help and expert knowledge I think it will work fine as well and I will melt some dark chocolate 85% cocoa and then smother the bullet and then another quick 10 minute freeze to harden it and it's ready to swallow, it's not being exposed to freezing temperatures for long periods but I will do a test run with pictures using salt.

This is what I and @C_F where wondering do you think using one large tea spoon of Extra Virgin Coconut Oil will effect the absorption from the fats and acid this is what @Quarky00 said below, it will be really interesting to get a few expert opinions.

• What I said was true for sugars, but that is not the case with oil. 1 spoon of coconut oil is 14g of oil and that's a whopping 121 calories, not to mention that fats are harder (slower) on the intestines. That's basically NO for oil. This is why ice cream was pretty much eliminated. @Jumper Geo oil suggestion will definitely slow down SN intake, and could even increase discomfort (ingesting oil while GI in toxic distress). I'm not sure how bad it would be, and I won't say it will cause SN to fail, nor that it is a good practice. I wouldn't do it.
• As for papers that's cellulose which is overall harder for the GI tract. More mechanical breakdown by stomach (churning) and overall more time in big intestines (that's not important for us-- too late). But a rolling paper is such a tiny thing. One Rizla pack is around 1g with 50 papers, so one would weight 0.02g. Would that amount of cellulose slow down digestion? I don't think so.

It will be a tasty way CTB

Thanks again everyone.

Cheers

Geo

Coconut oil is high in certain saturated fats. Known as a high fat food, Coconut oil contains 14 grams of fat per tablespoon, (13 of them saturated). These fats have different effects in the body compared with most other dietary fats. Most dietary fats are categorized as long-chain triglycerides (LCTs), while coconut oil contains medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), which are shorter fatty acid chains.When you eat MCTs, they are immediately transported from the digestive tract into the liver. Without needing bile to be metabolized. They are then used for energy rather than being stored in the body like other types of fats. Because of the way in which MCTs are used there is no strain on the digestive system. So concerns that there could be interactions with SN I think would be unlikely given that the oil goes straight to the liver without the need for metabolism. WRT I really cant see that a few papers would be of any real problems for the digestive tract, Im sure most peoples digestive tracts have had to deal with more toxic substances than a few Rizla papers over the years? So Ceo I think you know the answer to that, you most certainly dont need a scientific opinion on that one :)

 

[Jumper Geo]

@Suez @C_F @Quarky00

GOOD NEWS

Thank you everyone for helping me research this new SN method, it's really GOOD news, I can use this to ctb and it will bypass my mouth, tongue and throat and I won't experience the horrible salty taste and the gag reflex.I new the Rizla paper wouldn't cause any problem with digestion, I was reassuring someone else.

I won't go overboard with the celebrations just a small firework display, balloons and of course a Woohoo,

The YUM YUM method is available to use now, just need to muster up the courage to use it, supplies are ordered.

Cheers Geo

 

[enjolras]

The yummy taste could urge to eat back your own vomit as an extra bonus. The road to addiction is wide large and deserted. The bus wheels can cross the line comfortably. This is quite an invention

 

[Jumper Geo]

The yummy taste could urge to eat back your own vomit as an extra bonus. The road to addiction is wide large and deserted. The bus wheels can cross the line comfortably. This is quite an invention

I'm still worried I love dark chocolate and I will cover it in 85% cocoa the trouble is I might get the taste and don't want to swallow.

 

[Quarky00]

Coconut oil is high in certain saturated fats. Known as a high fat food, Coconut oil contains 14 grams of fat per tablespoon, (13 of them saturated). These fats have different effects in the body compared with most other dietary fats. Most dietary fats are categorized as long-chain triglycerides (LCTs), while coconut oil contains medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs), which are shorter fatty acid chains.When you eat MCTs, they are immediately transported from the digestive tract into the liver. Without needing bile to be metabolized. They are then used for energy rather than being stored in the body like other types of fats. Because of the way in which MCTs are used there is no strain on the digestive system. So concerns that there could be interactions with SN I think would be unlikely given that the oil goes straight to the liver without the need for metabolism.

While I agree with the description of MCTs , I disagree with the
(a) the notion they do not undergo metabolism ,
(b) won't strain GI in these specific circumstances -- poisoning .

By the way, I'm actually using MCTs due to my systematic GI problems and they do wonders

• MCTs passively diffuse from the GI tract to the portal system (longer fatty acids are absorbed into the lymphatic system) without requirement for modification like long-chain fatty acids
• MCTs do not require bile salts for digestion.
• Patients who have malnutrition are treated with MCTs because MCTs do not require energy for absorption, use, or storage.
• Due to their ability to be absorbed rapidly by the body, medium-chain triglycerides have found use in the treatment of a variety of malabsorption ailments.

1. MCTs are said to be rapidly and efficiently absorbed -- compared to other fats.
2. The fact that something is 'easily absorbed' doesn't make it okay with SN ingestion. For example water is the most easily absorbed substance (minutes) -- but too much water harms SN.
3. LCT and MCT increased gastric volume.
4. Everything requires stomach churning and intestinal motility -- even if MCTs do not require energy for absorbption (no need for bile or modification) more substance requires more physical work.
5. MCTs will not be absorbed within 5m. SN needs to be absorbed instantly. Thus MCTs will slow down SN absorption.

It can cause diarrhea when taken on an empty stomach , which is our situation exactly . Though diarrhea is not common and not a problem with SN (suggested Milk of Magnesia is mildly diuretic), and although I do not consider this as a likely problem , it's presence in the GI tract should not be discounted. I.e. it may not be very harmful but shouldn't be taken without consideration.

Dietary intake of MCT oil can cause significant gastrointestinal distress, such as diarrhea, vomiting, bloating and cramping, because it is metabolized differently than LCTs. Whereas most studies reporting these symptoms found they were experienced by individuals with very high-fat diets or who took MCT oil on an empty stomach, others studies indicated MCT oil was well-tolerated.

Another source also states

The oil has the natural sweet taste of coconut and contains 92% of saturated fatty acids (in the form of triglycerides); most of these (about 70%) are medium-chain fatty acids (MCFAs)

So while MCTs may be easier to digest, what about the other 30%? The LCTs and other fats in coconut oil def slow digestion..... The question is how much.

I don't trust healthline at all, but they say

Coconut oil is made from copra, the kernel or meat of coconuts. It's the richest natural source of MCTs — they comprise about 54% of the fat in copra. Coconut oil naturally contains MCTs, namely 42% lauric acid, 7% caprylic acid, and 5% capric acid . In addition to the MCTs, coconut oil contains LCTs and unsaturated fats. Lauric acid behaves more like an LCT in terms of its slow digestion and absorption.

OP suggested to use 2 tablespoons -- so that's 2x14g of oil which amounts to 242 calories -- that's not a small snack but a meal now.

As I have said I cannot reach a conclusive conclusion. It does not interact with SN but I don't know if it won't slow down, I believe it will. There's a lot of research on MCTs that I haven't read.

More info

https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(01)82543-9/pdf

 

[Jumper Geo]

While I agree with the description of MCTs , I disagree with the
(a) the notion they do not undergo metabolism ,
(b) won't strain GI in these specific circumstances -- poisoning .

By the way, I'm actually using MCTs due to my systematic GI problems and they do wonders

1. MCTs are said to be rapidly and efficiently absorbed -- compared to other fats.
2. The fact that something is 'easily absorbed' doesn't make it okay with SN ingestion. For example water is the most easily absorbed substance (minutes) -- but too much water harms SN.
3. LCT and MCT increased gastric volume.
4. Everything requires stomach churning and intestinal motility -- even if MCTs do not require energy for absorbption (no need for bile or modification) more substance requires more physical work.
5. MCTs will not be absorbed within 5m. SN needs to be absorbed instantly. Thus MCTs will slow down SN absorption.

It can cause diarrhea when taken on an empty stomach , which is our situation exactly . Though diarrhea is not common and not a problem with SN (suggested Milk of Magnesia is mildly diuretic), and although I do not consider this as a likely problem , it's presence in the GI tract should not be discounted. I.e. it may not be very harmful but shouldn't be taken without consideration.


Another source also states

So while MCTs may be easier to digest, what about the other 30%? The LCTs and other fats in coconut oil def slow digestion..... The question is how much.

I don't trust healthline at all, but they say



OP suggested to use 2 tablespoons -- so that's 2x14g of oil which amounts to 242 calories -- that's not a small snack but a meal now.

As I have said I cannot reach a conclusive conclusion. It does not interact with SN but I don't know if it won't slow down, I believe it will. There's a lot of research on MCTs that I haven't read.

More info

https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(01)82543-9/pdf

Firstly like the crazy coconut, lol secondly your just mean spoiling my celebration, lol I have been searching for ways to increase the absorption rate of SN for example heating the oil first for an hour, but I reduced the amount of coconut oil to one teaspoon but this is trial and error when I have my supplies I will run some tests.

Ok new method, lol hear me out chewing hubba bubba sugar free, use a AA battery to mould an oblong shape make sure there is plenty of over lap, let it dry out and go a little hard you could use a Rizla to dab to remove moisture, then pour in your SN and then push together to seal and leave to go hard or you can chill it. Bubble gum goes hard so it will be sealed and will open up when it's wet and warm, shall I get my celebration fireworks ready, lol.

Still YUM YUM CBT and you can still cover it in chocolate but the gum comes with some lovely fruity flavours, lol

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Remember people have died from accidental overdose who never followed Stan's guide.

Cheers

Geo

 

[littlelady774]

Couldn't one just numb their tongue with peppermint extract and ice, then use a straw? Has anyone tried that with salt taste?

 

[Jumper Geo]

Couldn't one just numb their tongue with peppermint extract and ice, then use a straw? Has anyone tried that with salt taste?

People have tried numbing there tongue but still get the gag reflex and said using a straw helped but some people don't like the idea as they think it takes to long.

 

[Quarky00]

Ok new method, lol hear me out chewing hubba bubba sugar free, use a AA battery to mould an oblong shape make sure there is plenty of over lap, let it dry out and go a little hard you could use a Rizla to dab to remove moisture, then pour in your SN and then push together to seal and leave to go hard or you can chill it. Bubble gum goes hard so it will be sealed and will open up when it's wet and warm, shall I get my celebration fireworks ready, lol.

Omg !

You should write a book "Jumper's Yum Yum Ctb Recipes". Will be a hit on Amazon

 

[Jumper Geo]

Omg !

You should write a book "Jumper's Yum Yum Ctb Recipes". Will be a hit on Amazon

Did you like my bubble gum SN bomb, I have to order some now just for educational purposes to test it.

 

[Jumper Geo]

Test 1, Check out Test 2 below impressive results

Please see the photographs below I weighed 30 grams of bicarbonate of soda mixed with 30 grams of 78% cocoa dark chocolate, I am please to say I could reduce the dark chocolate down to 20 grams and use a 100% cocoa dark chocolate with no added sugar.

This was my first attempt and I was surprised by how much there was I used tin foil to shape it, but I had to change to a larger piece and I doubled up to make it more secure, I then put it in the freezer for 10 minutes which I am pleased to say it came out rock hard, I broke it down into 5 pieces and I tested the smaller piece by putting it in my mouth and sucked on it gently 3 times before swallowing it and I couldn't taste the bicarbonate of soda, so the salty taste has been neutralised.

Originally I was going to add an additional coat which would make sure it had that chocolate taste so if I reduced it down to 20 grams after it comes out of the freezer I could smother it in chocolate and freeze it again for 5 minutes to harden it, to give me that YUM YUM CTB.

I forgot to shape the new tin foil so it wasn't bullet shaped and I submerged the rest in warm water and it dissolved within 4 minutes with a bit of gentle stirring.

Edit: https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-happens-if-you-swallow-gum-4153985

OK this is where @Quarky00 comes in and spoils my fun so I have not attached any fireworks, balloons or a woohoo, any thoughts @Suez @C_F

Thanks

Geo

 

[InTheAirTonight]

Chocolate SN does sound delicious

 

[Jumper Geo]

Test 2

OK I am really pleased with these results I reduced the bicarbonate of soda down to 25 grams and the dark chocolate down to 10 grams it took a while to mix it but hey presto it worked as you can see by the pictures below, it was much easier to shape, I put it in the freezer for 5 minutes and it was hard I did a taste test on the small piece, I gently sucked it and it was fine no taste i sucked it again and the salty taste came through so I could have covered it in chocolate and put it in the freezer for a couple of minutes or swallowed it.

I have photographed them next to a AA duracell battery. I may make it longer and thinner so I can cut them in half and just swallow the two pieces quickly.

Wheres my wonderful experts @Quarky00 @Suez @C_F

Edit: This is what Stan's guide say's. The aim is to flood your bloodstream with the right amount of SN as quickly as possible so you do not feel any symptoms for any longer than you need to. This is why using the SN in water is recommended above any other method. Some people use a strong mouthwash to numb their tongue and tastebuds before or after drinking the SN. Or a small piece of confectionery to remove the taste afterwards.

The stomach does some of the hard work. It mixes food with acids and churns it pretty violently until the food is turned into a slurry of juices and solids. That slurry is drained into about 20 feet of small intestines. In the small intestines, the solid matter continues to break down with the help of bacteria in the gut. Different nutrients are absorbed through the small intestines, but water mostly stays in the slurry to make it easier to move through the system.

Thanks

Geo.

 

[Suez]

Test 1

Please see the photographs below I weighed 30 grams of bicarbonate of soda mixed with 30 grams of 78% cocoa dark chocolate, I am please to say I could reduce the dark chocolate down to 20 grams and use a 100% cocoa dark chocolate with no added sugar.

This was my first attempt and I was surprised by how much there was I used tin foil to shape it, but I had to change to a larger piece and I doubled up to make it more secure, I then put it in the freezer for 10 minutes which I am pleased to say it came out rock hard, I broke it down into 5 pieces and I tested the smaller piece by putting it in my mouth and sucked on it gently 3 times before swallowing it and I couldn't taste the bicarbonate of soda, so the salty taste has been neutralised.

Originally I was going to add an additional coat which would make sure it had that chocolate taste so if I reduced it down to 20 grams after it comes out of the freezer I could smother it in chocolate and freeze it again for 5 minutes to harden it, to give me that YUM YUM CTB.

I forgot to shape the new tin foil so it wasn't bullet shaped and I submerged the rest in warm water and it dissolved within 4 minutes with a bit of gentle stirring.

Edit: https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-happens-if-you-swallow-gum-4153985

OK this is where @Quarky00 comes in and spoils my fun so I have not attached any fireworks, balloons or a woohoo, any thoughts @Suez @C_F

Thanks

Geo

 

[Jumper Geo]

Yes test 2 was even better I finally mastered it, woohoo, plus your fireworks are better than mine thanks, lol

 

[Suez]

Couldnt find anything with balloons as well sorry!. Hey so funny...... That Lindt Chocolate is the only chocolate that i eat., also 75%

 

[Jumper Geo]

Couldnt find anything with balloons as well sorry!. Hey so funny...... That Lindt Chocolate is the only chocolate that i eat., also 75%

I was well impressed in Test 2 I used 25 grams bicarbonate of soda and 10 grams of dark chocolate and it worked and it was smaller I used a broom handle to shape the foil.

Thanks for you help

Cheers

Geo

 

[MissKatrina]

Why can't we put the SN in simple syrup or have some sugar in the water? Sweetness would mask the taste.

Of course chocolate is awesomer.

 

[june]

Firstly like the crazy coconut, lol secondly your just mean spoiling my celebration, lol I have been searching for ways to increase the absorption rate of SN for example heating the oil first for an hour, but I reduced the amount of coconut oil to one teaspoon but this is trial and error when I have my supplies I will run some tests.

Ok new method, lol hear me out chewing hubba bubba sugar free, use a AA battery to mould an oblong shape make sure there is plenty of over lap, let it dry out and go a little hard you could use a Rizla to dab to remove moisture, then pour in your SN and then push together to seal and leave to go hard or you can chill it. Bubble gum goes hard so it will be sealed and will open up when it's wet and warm, shall I get my celebration fireworks ready, lol.

Still YUM YUM CBT and you can still cover it in chocolate but the gum comes with some lovely fruity flavours, lol

Amazon product ASIN B002Y0IOAM

Remember people have died from accidental overdose who never followed Stan's guide.

Cheers

Geo

Hey Geo! I'm a biomedical scientist with concentrations in nutritional science. I do agree with quark's conclusion. Maybe try adding 0 calorie drink flavoring to 100ml water and 20 grams of normal table salt and check to see how you tolerate. That's my plan

 

[Cashewmilk]

I remember reading the first few "successes" on the Google docs compilation, 2 members stated that a chaser is recommended, candy or something. In the failures, many members reported the horrible salty taste but it didn't seem they used a chaser. 1 member used capsules and if I remember correctly he was found but it was effective but he got medical treatment. The capsules should be more researched imo.

 

[Aap]

Watch out for the citric or ascorbic acid in there...

 

[Jumper Geo]

Hey Geo! I'm a biomedical scientist with concentrations in nutritional science. I do agree with quark's conclusion. Maybe try adding 0 calorie drink flavoring to 100ml water and 20 grams of normal table salt and check to see how you tolerate. That's my plan

Hi June,

Usually I have to speak to a lady before they try to kill me, lol, In test 2, I used 25g of bicarbonate of soda and a small amount of dark chocolate surely that would have no effect if it was pure SN, people have eaten chocolate after drinking SN to get rid of the taste.

Cheers

Geo

 

[june]

Hi June,

Usually I have to speak to a lady before they try to kill me, lol, In test 2, I used 25g of bicarbonate of soda and a small amount of dark chocolate surely that would have no effect if it was pure SN, people have eaten chocolate after drinking SN to get rid of the taste.

Cheers

Geo

Can you stay and be resident head chef? I like your creativity, you're already doing that with your snackies

 

[Jumper Geo]

I remember reading the first few "successes" on the Google docs compilation, 2 members stated that a chaser is recommended, candy or something. In the failures, many members reported the horrible salty taste but it didn't seem they used a chaser. 1 member used capsules and if I remember correctly he was found but it was effective but he got medical treatment. The capsules should be more researched imo.

You could check out this thread

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...n-easy-and-cheap-solution-not-capsules.36248/

Cheers

Geo

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I'm not an SN expert or scientifically minded so I don't know the chemical reactions but I think this is an easier way to swallow the SN powder and all you need is some Organic Coconut Oil, it will dissolve quickly once swallowed, I don't think you will get any gagging reflex from the salty taste, especially if it's coated in chocolate.

If you are scientifically minded would you mind doing some research and tell me if the SN will be fine to mix with Organic Coconut Oil and if the SN will degrade by being chilled in order to shape them into a bullet. I have been reading all the information I can find and I think it will be fine but i'm not a scientist.

Edit: Not being funny but instead of Coconut Oil you could replace it with Dark Chocolate as you can nuke it and when chilled becomes hard again, the reason they never used it in the video is because she was using it to go up your bum not swallow it.

Step by Step Guide

1, Weigh 30 grams of SN powder
2, Measure 1 table spoon of Organic Coconut Oil
3, Nuke the Organic Coconut Oil for 15 seconds and check may need another 15 seconds
4, Mix in with the SN powder
5, Quick freeze for 5 minutes
6 Remove from the freezer
7, Shape them into 1, 2 or 3 bullets (So Easy To Swallow)
8, Swallow immediately with 50 ML water or refrigerate for later.

Optional

1, Nuke some chocolate for 15 seconds and check may need another 15 seconds
2, Smother SN and Coconut Oil bullet or bullets in Chocolate
3, Quick freeze for 5 minutes
4, YUM, YUM and CTB, lol.




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Nuking Chocolate



Cheers

Geo

Fentanyl chocolate covered suppositories might be even better than SN suppositories.

 

[ceelo]

fuck all that noise why dont you just melt some nutella and mix it in?

 

[Jumper Geo]

Fentanyl chocolate covered suppositories might be even better than SN suppositories.

Yes I wouldn't mind some coconut Carfentanil suppositories or even some chocolate covered treats, lol.

Cheers

Geo

 

[Red]

Couldn't resist XD

 

[Jumper Geo]

Couldn't resist XD

Haha that's a great video, everyone will think that's where I got my idea from now, South parks Chefs Chocolate Salty Balls.

Cheers

Geo

fuck all that noise why dont you just melt some nutella and mix it in?

The trick was to use a dark organic chocolate 78% cocoa so it's low in fat and sugar so it doesn't interfere with the SN digestion, I got it down to one small square of 10g, nutella as a lot of sugar I think it would work but I'm not an expert. Let me know if you try it.

Cheers

Geo

 

[Red]

If you ever need a quick knock me out,
Just stuck my baaalls, in your moooouuth!