Resource PROOF! - VOMITING HAS *NOT* BEEN REPORTED ON THE FORUM AS A CAUSE OF SN FAILURE

[feast or famine]

Sorry if I sound like an ass, I don't mean to, it's just that the point of this thread is to stop misinformation, not replace it with more, and I'm frustrated by comments like yours that I followed up on when they're made in this particular thread.

To be direct and honest, I've been a little disturbed by how some of the comments here, not just yours, seem to be piling on the misinformation, and I may ask the mods to lock the thread because it's derailing and clouds the very clear point made in the OP.

No, you don't sound like an ass. Even if you do, I don't take it personally because it's the internet. I don't think people intentionally try to spread misinformation. I think there are many unknowns with SN and there's always going to be questions about it no matter how much factual information you think you have.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

@GoodPersonEffed Sort of an off-topic question: you mentioned in another thread about having GERD-like issues. Are you thinking of lying down after your dose(s) as is recommended? I'm wondering if that won't aggravate the digestion issues more? What do you think?

I think I'm frustrated in general at the moment about this thread going off on tangents instead of discussing the OP or seeking clarity about it if needed.

Can we talk about it elsewhere? Maybe post on your wall and tag me, or start a new thread about SN and GERD?

 

[cyberlordsumit]

I'm curious what reading you did. On the forum? Elsewhere?



This is why I recommended you do the research of anecdotal accounts and come to your own conclusion. No one has a definite answer to this

Ultimately, and rationally, it's your suicide, so it's you're responsibility as to how informed you are and how you make assessments and decisions.

(Not saying that in a cold way at all, btw. It's something I feel strongly about, but not in a mean way. I just don't know how to say it in a soft way in writing as I would irl, I can't add tone or facial expressions.)



The point of meto is actually to facilitate the stomach contents passing more quickly into the small intestine. I have another thread going right now about whether or not AEs are a requirement, and in researching, I found threads by Stan that explained this, and I quoted them in a comment on that thread. Therefore meto is not a big deal, and in fact the right antacid would be more of a potentiator for the method. But the method itself is enough.

Thanks for that, these pro lifers get me scared. Need to research, SN ks my nack and just checking it since yesterday.. Too pussy to hang myself.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Folks, since I didn't make it clear, the point of the OP is this:

For the past 2-3 months, people regularly say on the forum that "vomiting is a main cause of SN failure."

- The failure anecdotes prove that this is 100% false.

- The main cause is medical intervention, whether one is interrupted or seeks the intervention themselves.

- Of 23 cases, only one implies that vomiting may have been a cause.



This post addresses two other regular claims. The first has been going on about as long as the one above:

"An AE is an absolute must."

- Nothing in the failed cases indicates not having an AE caused failure.

- If you're still not convinced, I included in the OP a link to the successess and failures thread. I suggest you go through the successes as I did the failures to see for yourself that AEs, if at all mentioned, did not make a significant contribution, if any, to succeeding.



The second claim:

"A backup is absolutely necessary in case of vomiting."

- This has been discussed on the forum since 2018, but it's only been recently that it's been stated as a need rather than a suggestion.

- Again, I suggest you make your own assessment by reading through the failures I've listed here, and the successes on the thread I linked, and come to your own personal conclusion. But to say it is necessary has not in any definitive way been proven. It's just a safeguard, and no one has ever reported failing for not having one, period.




I'm being very straight and factual here, I don't mean for it to come across as cranky. I'm taking responsibility for the OP not being clear enough, which may have contributed to confusion and derailing.

 

[timetofly]

What's important for me besides the main point is also this

BONUS 2:

7 of the 23 members reported taking an AE.

4 vomited
1 vomited and reported nausea
2 experienced neither vomiting nor nausea
0 reported nausea but no vomiting

I hate vomiting but if meto isn't a guarantee I won't and if I won't be able to get it — I'll proceed without it with confidence. Thanks again, @GoodPersonEffed.

 

[Nature_is_God]

I wonder how much of these symptoms were caused by SN or nature of the incident (literally being on the brink of death).

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I wonder how much of these symptoms were caused by SN or nature of the incident (literally being on the brink of death).

Almost all of them are caused by methemoglobinemia. Note that if you look up metabolic acidosis, one of the symptoms is vomiting, so it could either be caused by the body rejecting the poison, or by methemoglobinemia. Dyspnea and tachypnea are both breathing issues. Other sources list tachycardia, which falls under cardiac arrhythmia here. Cyanosis means blue skin. Regarding the folks who had stomach or intestinal pain, that would, I think, have to do with ingesting the SN, and I wonder if they had undiagnosed gastric irritation or lesions.



Source: ResearchGate

 

[Aap]

Specifically, what unfounded complaints are you referring to? Regarding gastric issues, SN as consumed is concentrated and reactive. I would be surprised if it did not cause intestinal discomfort in some; this would occur without gastric issues or lesions.

 

[Anonymoussn]

First of all can I just say thankyou so much to you for posting this thread. It is a huge help to everyone on here to have such a decent and insightful person to turn to for information, and this is genuinely really helpful.

It is great to know that nobody has failed due to vomiting and not keeping the SN down, as I know that it has been a worry for many around here.

If you don't mind me asking - have you considered the possibility that vomiting has an effect on an SN attempt in a more vague way than simply not digesting the SN - and have you noticed any trends in this sense? What I mean is - if someone were to vomit a lot, would this make them more likely to call emergency services? I can't help but wonder if vomiting a lot for, say 30-60 minutes might make me more likely to cry for help just because of the sheer discomfort that would cause.

I've nothing to back this theory up, it's just something I've wondered about so was curious as to what your opinion was.

 

[PJFord]

@GoodPersonEffed ... I think I love you. Thank you for this extensive research and for your other SN-related posts. I'd like to buy you a drink ... SN + 50ml of water of course.

Seriously, thanks for all you do for this forum.

 

[BPD Barbie]

Thank you for taking the time and the effort to compile more valuable information for the forum. Informative post as usual from you

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

If you don't mind me asking - have you considered the possibility that vomiting has an effect on an SN attempt in a more vague way than simply not digesting the SN - and have you noticed any trends in this sense? What I mean is - if someone were to vomit a lot, would this make them more likely to call emergency services? I can't help but wonder if vomiting a lot for, say 30-60 minutes might make me more likely to cry for help just because of the sheer discomfort that would cause.

I've nothing to back this theory up, it's just something I've wondered about so was curious as to what your opinion was.

I don't mind you asking, it's very appropriate to this discussion. I noticed no such trend. However, it would be easy enough for you to research it and not just take my word for it. I noted in the spoiler which members experienced vomiting, and the dates of the their posts.

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THREAD COMMENT, not a response to the member quoted above:


I want to mention for transparency, and so that I don't seem like I'm seeking confirmation of any bias, that another member, @Silver, commented today in another thread that they recalled seeing members in chat attempt SN and report vomiting. In the OP, I mentioned chat attempts in bold and asked for accounts, and wondered if chat is where the stance originated that vomiting is a main cause of SN failure. I acknowledge now that in my excitement, I may have made an error with the title of this post, there may still be proof of which I am not aware.

 

[Silver]

I've mentioned @GoodPersonEffed 's request just now in chat, but it might be worth you, @GoodPersonEffed , popping in and asking too at some point. I know that some members only use chat and don't use the forum, and might have missed this post anyway (I did, until you mentioned it in the other thread).

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I've mentioned @GoodPersonEffed 's request just now in chat, but it might be worth you, @GoodPersonEffed , popping in and asking too at some point. I know that some members only use chat and don't use the forum, and might have missed this post anyway (I did, until you mentioned it in the other thread).

Thanks for doing that! I've also posted a new thread asking for chat accounts, so maybe others who go on chat will request there as well. I may bump it every once in awhile.

To be honest, I don't care for chat. The one time I participated, someone said, "OMG @GoodPersonEffed is here!" (There was forum drama and the thread got closed, and some folks like me went to chat because we weren't done venting about it yet! )

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Another member pointed out to me that there was a thread in August with an SN failure, and it was due to vomiting. It hadn't been added to the SN successes and failures thread. Adding information here. So there are now 24 accounts of failure and one was due to vomiting.

Date: 8/16/20
Name: @Anxietykillsme
Fasting: 8 hrs, very little water before
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 1
Extra does taken: No
AE: NO
Antacid: Milk of Magnesia
Other meds: 600 mg ibuprofen
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Immediate and repeated vomiting (4-6 times), gagging, throat burning, dizziness, blue, lost consciousness for two hours then intense pain in stomach and head, called ambulance, couldn't stand
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Instant and repeated vomiting
Speculated reason for failure: Unknown if would have succeeded without calling ambulance two hours after ingestion, was still in the four-hour window, was blue and still experiencing strong symptoms

 

[JSRF]

Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Immediate and repeated vomiting (4-6 times), gagging, throat burning, dizziness, blue, lost consciousness for two hours then intense pain in stomach and head, called ambulance, couldn't stand

Most likely the amount of time between the intake and the vomiting determines a success. I remember (supposedly successfull) users who reported vomiting after 10 minutes or so. Im not too deep into SN analysis, but looking at the time between intake and vomiting where its available might be inteeresting data.

 

[checkouttime]

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure.

There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting:

@Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also fasted 4 days. Cause of failure was not determined.

@SomeCities on 7/4/20, rapid onset vomiting, followed Stan's Guide, had diabetes and multiple sclerosis, no hospitalization, and was banned within days after making the thread (his only thread) for having an alt account. Because of the sketchiness, the account was never added to the SN successes/failures thread, but I remembered the account and mention it here to show good faith in not seeking confirmation bias.

Out of 23 cases of reported failures, here is the breakdown of reasons for failure (70% caused by involuntary or voluntary medical intervention):

Interrupted/saved: 12
Asked for help/called emergency services: 4
Not enough SN (aborted attempt, approx. 3g and too much water): 1
Took with orange juice (no other details given except for one symptom): 1
Unknown reason: 4

Speculated reasons for each unknown:​

• Too little SN, drunk on beer
• 20g SN with 1.5L water, made own SN from sodium nitrate
• Too little SN, 10g
• @Silasruin, explained above

My source was the google document on the SN successes and failures thread, plus all of the failures reported on that thread afterward, which @Living sucks kept up with until mid-July. There have been no reported failures since, with one exception that had almost no information, reported symptoms but not vomiting, the member refused to answer questions and self-banned.

In the spoiler you'll see my analysis of all the reported SN failures. If you know of any that have been reported and were not included, please comment on this thread with the member name and a link. If there have been any failed attempts reported in chat with vomiting as the cause, please explain in comments and include the member name, date, and exact quotes with screenshots of what they said in chat. (Could that be what started the trend in the past couple months of saying that vomiting has been reported to be a main cause of SN failure?)

Spoiler: SN reported failures analysis

"None" means no or not reported. For AEs and Antacids, NO means the member specifically said they didn't take any.

Date: 2/12/18
Member: @Eden2k
Fasting: Yes, didn't say how long
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, unknown amount of water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, passed out
Other info: Vomited, passed out, woke up and had vomited while unconscious
Reason for failure: In hotel, next door heard things crashing (found on floor), staff entered and called ES
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/24/18
Member: @axorz
Fasting: 8 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Meto 30mg, 30 min prior
Antacid: Tagamet
Other meds: 10 benzos
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Loss of consciousness, vomiting
Other info: Started to vomit immediately (2x), then lost consciousness about 10 seconds after taking SN
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 2/20/19
Member: @VoloFataliDoce
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: A little over 15 g, DMSO didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, headache, drowsiness, dizziness, passed out
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Neigbor looked in window 90 minutes after ingesting, called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 2/26/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE SYMPTOMS IN LIST BECAUSE APPLIED TO SKIN, NOT INGESTED
Member: @Minudah
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 5 teaspoons (25-28 g) SN, 100 ml DMSO, no water, applied to skin not ingested
SN & water amount taken: 1/2 of mix
Extra doses prepared: See symptoms
Extra doses taken: See symptoms
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burned skin, dizziness, nausea, tachycardia, blurry vision, lethargy, weak vision starting to go black, headache, cold, tight chest, pressure in head. Mixed more SN in DMSO (amounts not stated), put 3/4 of mix on skin, abdominal pain, light-headed, pressure in head, muscle paine, headache, shaking, blue, nausea, chest pain
Other info: Went to ER, only said DMSO, was sent home. Returned to ER, had blue skin, did not admit to SN, was sent home.
Reason for failure: N/A
Speculated reason for failure: Mixed with DMSO, applied to skin and not ingested


Date: 3/3/19
Member: @Mich517
Fasting: Ate a lot of crisps a few hours before
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml DMSO, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, vision wanting to turn black, noise, feeling like going to pass out, confusion, convulsing, tingling, tachycardia, deep breathing, vision right to left
Other info: No pain, a lot of vomiting after 40 minutes (also vomited earlier) no hospital, recovered
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: DMSO instead of water, didn't fast

Date: 3/12/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Dartz
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: Not enough info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:


Date: 3/25/19
Member: Kaluk
Fasting: 11 hours, drank a few beers before SN
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, dizziness, passed out (after 20-40 min)
Other info: No unpleasant side effects except for nausea and diziness
Reason for failure: Slumped onto remote, noise complaint, police 1 hour after ingestion, resuscitated in ambulance
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 4/30/19
Member: @drakewantstogo
Fasting: 8 or more hours
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g, amount of water not stated
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 30 mg meto 1 hour before
Antacid: 225 mg Zantac
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Anxiety, blindness, dark blood, nausea, vomiting, stomach noises.
Other info: 5 minutes after ingesting had nausea, salivated, "finally puked" 3x. No drowsiness. No stomach or head pain. 6/10 peacefulness.
Reason for failure: Called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/10/19
Member: @L0ne1ygh0st
Fasting: No regimen details
SN & water amount prepared: No regimen details
SN & water amount taken: No regimen details
Extra doses prepared: No regimen details
Extra doses taken: No regimen details
AE: No regimen details
Antacid: No regimen details
Other meds: No regimen details
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, tachycardia, headache, sore throat from vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/27/19
Member: @Suicidal4Ever
Fasting: Beer, got drunk, didn't report food fasting
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon (15-17g if measuring spoon), 100 ml, mixed in Tobasco for nausea
SN & water amount taken: Uncertain, said he hoped he drank enough, put in unspecified number of shot glasses, took 1 shot and sipped some of a second
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES (hours later)
Symptoms: Slept a few hours, head ringing, eyeballs pulsing, vomited 3 times, tachycardia, blue, headache, slept 1/2 a day, puked about 20 times
Other info: No emergency services
Reason for failure: Unkown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN, beer,

Date: 8/17/19
Member: @Funkygibbon
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: 8-9 capsules, didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Chlorpromazine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Blue, pale, massive headache
Other info: No nausea, breathing problems or pain. In ER given methylene blue, sats 60%, died and revived with paddles.
Reason for failure: Interrupted - went outside for a cigarette, within 10 minutes after ingesting a neighbor walked past while smoke and noticed he was pale and his lips were blue, called emergency services.
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 8/20/19
Member: @21Neberg
Fasting: 24 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 10g
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting?: NO
Symptoms: Fainting, dizziness, blue
Other info: Fainted after 10 minutes, still drinking bit by bit when found
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/16/19
Member: @Jen0804
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: Not reported
SN & water amount taken: Not reported
Extra doses prepared: Not reported
Extra doses taken: Not reported
AE: Not reported
Antacid: Not reported
Other meds: Not reported
Vomiting: Not reported
Symptoms: Not reported
Other info: "Became very ill"
Reason for failure: Said reason was for taking with orange juice
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 10/4/19
Member: @Ifisieyoung
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: Not stated
SN & water amount taken: A couple gulps
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Tired, hot, vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend a few hours after, not breathing, CPR and breathing tube by emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/28/19
Member: @zajebistakaczka
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: 24 000 (large) size capsules, didn't state how much water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Antipsychotic
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Ringing in ears, anxiety, confusion
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 11/6/19
Member: @Notf1xable
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: Zolfran
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Burned going down, vomited while drinking and did not finish, sweatiness, hot, dizziness, floaters in vision, body aches
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/8/20 - TESTING, NOT AN ATTEMPT
Member: @X-Kid
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/10/20
Member: @clover___
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: Guessed 50 g, water not mentioned
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: Baking soda
Other meds: None
Vomiting: Self-induced
Symptoms: Weakness, collapsed, nausea, fainting, blue/gray, seizures while unconscious
Other info:
Reason for failure: Found, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Lotus
Fasting: All day
SN & water amount prepared: "According to Stan's guide"
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 1 extra
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, passed out, blurry vision, couldn't move or talk, methem level 68, extremely cyanotic
Other info: No pain, no breathing problems, vomiting after 20 minutes
Reason for failure: Police came in hotel room immediately after last sip, didn't know she'd been put on suicide watch
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/11/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: No info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Querry1
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, 60 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: Apap Night (sold in Poland, mix of paracetamol and antinausea med, not an AE or dopamine blocker)
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting after 20 min, unbearable pain mainly in stomach, lost consciousness after 1 hour
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Asked sister to call emergency services
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/13/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting: No info
SN & water amount prepared: No info
SN & water amount taken: No info
Extra doses prepared: No info
Extra doses taken: No info
AE: None
Antacid: No info
Other meds: No info
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burning like acid reflux in esophagus and stomach
Other info: None
Reason for failure: No info
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/26/20 - SELF-HARM, DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @seventeenangels444
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 2/4/20
Member: @calavera
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 1.5 liters
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 50 mg quetiapine, liquid veterinary meto
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Went to sleep, woke after 1 hour and vomited, then took sodium nitrAte with no symptoms
Other info: Made own SN out of sodium nitrate
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: 1.5 liters to 20 g of SN, made own SN


Date: 2/6/20
Member: @Johnrio
Fasting: NO
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, approx. 250 ml
SN & water amount taken: 3 sips, approx. 3 g, stopped because of taste
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: 500 mg ibuprofen
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Gagging, tachycardia, sweatiness, confusion, dizziness
Other info: Slept 5 hours, diarrhea, drank 4 oz of water and vomited, slept 8 hours, no hospital
Reason for failure: Not enough SN
Speculated reason for failure: Also too much water


Date: 2/19/20
Member: @Justrying
Fasting: 5 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 10 g, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: No
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Diarrhea, cold, nausea, noise, dizziness, blue/gray
Other info: Slept, no medical attention
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN


Date: 2/24/20
Member: @bpdandme
Fasting: 12 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: "Stan's regimen"
SN & water amount taken: 3 out of 5 sips
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Tachycardia, light-headedness, nausea, anxiety, pale, blue, blood was dark
Other info: Reported no pain
Reason for failure: Asked someone for help, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A
Date: 2/4/20
Member: @MysticPerception
Fasting: 7 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 2x 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
Extra doses taken: NO
AE: NO
Antacid: 1 Tums
Other meds: 2 Tylenol
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Stomach pain like a hot coal, dizziness, passed out, feeling like burning in intestines
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 4/25/20
Member: @Silasruin
Fasting: 4 days
SN & water amount prepared: 60 g, 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 75%
Extra doses prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Domperidone and mirtaziapine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Reflux, cold sweats, noise in head, fainted, gagging, vomiting, blue, headache, breathing difficulty/wheezing
Other info: Drank 1/2, gagged on ingestion, vomited. Drank other 1/2, violent vomiting within 1 minute. "Body rejects it immediately." Went to sleep, after waking blue skin inside lip, headache. Tested SN prior, blood turned chocolate brown. Did not seek medical attention.
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too much SN, four days of fasting, rapid onset vomiting

Date: 4/28/20
Member: @GoneGoneGone
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 50-100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Olanzapine
Antacid:
Other meds: Diazepam, xanax, zolpidem, ibuprofen
Vomiting: YES - in AE/ER
Symptoms: Tachycardia, collapsed, allergy shock, dark blood, gray, lost consciousness 20-30 min after ingestion, dizziness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

BONUS 1:

List of reported symptoms, how many members reported each symptom, and the percentage of occurrence out of 23 reports:

52% Loss of consciousness - 12
52% Vomiting - 12
39% Blue or gray discoloration of skin - 9
34% Dizziness - 8
34% Nausea - 8
26% Tachycardia/rapid heart rate - 6
22% Headache - 5
17% Drowsiness/tiredness - 4
17% Noises (in head or ears) - 4
17% Vision issues (blurriness, eyes going back and forth, going dark, floaters, etc.) - 4
13% Anxiety - 3
13% Confusion - 3
9% Breathing difficulty or changes - 2
9% Collapsing (not loss of consciousness) - 2
9% Gagging on ingestion - 2
9% Pain - 2
9% Pale skin - 2
9% Sweatiness - 2
4% Allergy shock - 1
4% Blindness (recovered) - 1
4% Body aches - 1
4% Burning in throat - 1
4% Burning in intestines - 1
4% Cold - 1
4% Cold sweat - 1
4% Convulsions - 1
4% Couldn't move or talk - 1
4% Diarrhea - 1
4% Hot - 1
4% Light-headedness - 1
4% Reflux - 1
4% Seizures - 1
4% Stomach noises - 1
4% Tingling - 1
4% Weakness - 1


BONUS 2:

7 of the 23 members reported taking an AE.

4 vomited
1 vomited and reported nausea
2 experienced neither vomiting nor nausea
0 reported nausea but no vomiting





If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.




(Thank you, @checkouttime, for helpling me by gathering the links to the accounts on the google document!)

Your welcome

Thankyou,for the information and effort you put into this thread you have made for us

 

[Hopeindeath!]

Thank you for your kindness in sharing the truth with us.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Most likely the amount of time between the intake and the vomiting determines a success. I remember (supposedly successfull) users who reported vomiting after 10 minutes or so. Im not too deep into SN analysis, but looking at the time between intake and vomiting where its available might be inteeresting data.

I'm not sure if that's true. It would indeed be interesting data to gather. I tried to do that for another recent thread of mine about trying to get concurrence about the necessity or not of AEs. Unfortunately, the vast majority of SN success accounts have little to no information, as each person was in the midst of experiencing the effects. The ones with the most information are from witness accounts, and there are only a few of those, like 3 or 4 at most. I could have kept researching success accounts, but there are so few with much at all to say that I just got tired of the effort. I did it once before to look at symptoms reported in successes, and of all the success threads linked in the Google document, only 13 had such information, and it was tiring to go through so many accounts for so few with any data.

Here's what I came up with for symptoms reported in successes, please note there have been a lot of accounts added to the thread (not the document) since then:

I wanted to see what symptoms were most common. On Feb. 6, I Iooked at each success for reported symptoms, counted those that claimed taking 15 g or more of SN (included one that listed the regimen meticulously but called it the SN drink so I assumed 20+ g), there were 13 total. These were the reported symptoms:

8 Tachycardia - 61%
6 Nausea - 46%
6 Sedation - 46%
5 Lightheadedness/feeling faint - 38%
5 Vomiting - 38%
4 Throat pain/discomfort/burning - 31%
4 Feeling warm/hot - 31%
3 Difficulty breathing - 23%
3 Dizziness - 23%
3 Shakiness - 23%
2 Coughing - 15%
2 Vision changes - 15%
2 Headache - 15%
2 Heavy body or extremities -15%
1 Slow breathing - 15%
1 Feeling cold - 8%
1 Peace or euphoria - 8%
1 Tingling extremities - 8%
1 Feeling drunk - 8%
1 Thirst - 8%
1 Calm - 8%
1 Dry heaving - 8%
1 Loud heartbeat - 8%
1 Relaxation - 8%
1 Burning stomach - 8%
1 Body/limb spasms - 8%
1 Stomach discomfort - 8%
1 Thirst - 8%

 

[Niirvana]

A medical Person told me Anti ematics won't do shit for Sodium Nitrite. it would be nothing else than a placebo there..she said

She told u that meto doesn't work to stop the vomit?

 

[cyberlordsumit]

Yeah, She did. But i guess It works to some degree.. maybe not all the way but some degree

 

[Captive of Mind]

The meto is mainly for quicker stomach emptying. This allows more SN to enter the small intestine so more can be absorbed into the blood stream. It isn't just to help with vomiting.

 

[checkouttime]

The meto is mainly for quicker stomach emptying. This allows more SN to enter the small intestine so more can be absorbed into the blood stream. It isn't just to help with vomiting.

Is it only meto that does this or do the other anti e have the same effect?

 

[Captive of Mind]

Is it only meto that does this or do the other anti e have the same effect?

There are other ones. Use the list on Stan's guide or the PPH.

If you can't get one, SN will still work if you follow the rest of the guide. I knew someone recently who passed away without an AE.

 

[checkouttime]

There are other ones. Use the list on Stan's guide or the PPH.

If you can't get one, SN will still work if you follow the rest of the guide. I knew someone recently who passed away without an AE.

sorry,what i meant is.the other anti e's do they have the effect of emptying the stomach aswell. is this what anti e is?? or is it just meto thats has the emptying of the stomach effect???

I have read about using anti e, i thought it was to stop us being sick, until you posted the other post!!

 

[Captive of Mind]

Yeah, I said there are other ones that do pretty much the same things as meto. Sorry I wasn't very clear on that.

 

[Caspers]

Wow this is brilliant, thank you. I have been worried that not fasting could cause an issue, but it looks like as long as I don't have an orange (maybe no acidic fruits/beverages) and follow Stan's guide, I hopefully should be okay as none of the failures appeared to be because of not fasting.

 

[checkouttime]

Yeah, I said there are other ones that do pretty much the same things as meto. Sorry I wasn't very clear on that.

thankyou, sorry its me being lazy! you just seemed like you knew what you was talking about ,so thought i'd ask you!

I assumed anti e was for not vomitng and fasting was to empty the stomach, thats all. i didnt realise meto emptied the stomach aswell

 

[Captive of Mind]

No problem! Other people helped me when I came here, so I'm passing it along.

 

[cyberlordsumit]

Wow this is brilliant, thank you. I have been worried that not fasting could cause an issue, but it looks like as long as I don't have an orange (maybe no acidic fruits/beverages) and follow Stan's guide, I hopefully should be okay as none of the failures appeared to be because of not fasting.

Yo you do need to fast!!!! otherwise you won't absorb SN in proper amount