Pentobarbital available, but additional help ?

[Chinaski]

I decided to pursue Nembutal. I just received it very, very late.

Now I have a full 13 gr of Nembutal at hand.

So to clarify, you have received the N which you ordered from A?

 

[Arak]

So to clarify, you have received the N which you ordered from A?

Right, just very late.

 

[Arak]

I've been looking a bit at lethal doses, checking various sources.

The PPEH considers 6 gr enough for a peaceful death. Although https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Pentobarbital states 'The minimum lethal dose is 6 gms.' The same URL gives other sources for 6 gr. Searching for the LD50 the number given for humans is relatively low (how can they know ?) 36 mg/kg which would be 2.2 gr, animal sources would suggest about 100 mg/kg which would be about 6 gr.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3968666/ states 'The lethal dose for pentobarbital when ingested ranges from 2 to 10 g'

Obviously the doses given by the respected institutions would be sufficient without tolerance etc. issues.

 

[therhydler]

@Arak you wrote on my other thread that butanediol plus a noose would probably not work because you would wake up, what do you think about N and a noose?

 

[Chinaski]

Arak, 13 g will kill you. Don't worry. Drink some alcohol after drinking N in order to heighten the effect.

This is it in a nutshell btw, all else is froth.

 

[JustAboutDone]

@JustAboutDone
. ' I'm sure there is the potential for lethality, but certainty ?

Hmmm. This is definitely the million dollar question.

Today, whilst waiting for an appointment, I was twiddling about on the t'internet and found a news article where a man jumped from Beachy Head - and SURVIVED. With severe head injuries. What do you do?

 

[Chinaski]

Hmmm. This is definitely the million dollar question.

Today, whilst waiting for an appointment, I was twiddling about on the t'internet and found a news article where a man jumped from Beachy Head - and SURVIVED. With severe head injuries. What do you do?

In fairness, the OP has already done extensive and painstaking research into this and every other method and this question has been raised, and discussed, several times. Initially he was very sceptical about Dignitas, never mind veterinary N. Then he decided it was his best method and went for it. Then he claimed A was a scammer and all hope was lost without his N. Now he has the N but feels the need to repeat his original laborious research.

He already knows the answer, and there will never be a response that is satisfactory. He has the N, he knows drinking it is lethal. Everything else is white noise.

 

[Morpheus]

In fairness, the OP has already done extensive and painstaking research into this and every other method and this question has been raised, and discussed, several times. Initially he was very sceptical about Dignitas, never mind veterinary N. Then he decided it was his best method and went for it. Then he claimed A was a scammer and all hope was lost without his N. Now he has the N but feels the need to repeat his original laborious research.

He already knows the answer, and there will never be a response that is satisfactory. He has the N, he knows drinking it is lethal. Everything else is white noise.

AMEN

 

[Jupiter]

@Arak. If you are truly concerned about tolerance for barbiturates why not ask people who might know. As far as I know, Idorus is in contact with the end of life clinic in Holland and a counselor. Maybe she is so kind to clarify that question.

 

[goesforemast]

i have another question to the N methode. i already ordert it and i am currently waiting for it to arrive. my next step would be to order the anti-e.
from the "anti-e. regimen wiki" i already chosed Primperan as my option. does anybody know where i can get it from. i searched on some sites like dreammarket but couldnt find it except on the legal way but therefore i need a prescription and i cant just go the the doc and lie to him to get it. i am not good in that because i am a social failure when it comes to talking to others xD

 

[therhydler]

i have another question to the N methode. i already ordert it and i am currently waiting for it to arrive. my next step would be to order the anti-e.
from the "anti-e. regimen wiki" i already chosed Primperan as my option. does anybody know where i can get it from. i searched on some sites like dreammarket but couldnt find it except on the legal way but therefore i need a prescription and i cant just go the the doc and lie to him to get it. i am not good in that because i am a social failure when it comes to talking to others xD

Primperan is on ebay

 

[goesforemast]

Primperan is on ebay

Thank you :)

is it a good choice?

 

[therhydler]

Thank you :)

is it a good choice?

yes, as far as I know every person who ordered received it, including me. Primperan is just one of the many brand names of metoclopmaride. It will work

 

[therhydler]

In fairness, the OP has already done extensive and painstaking research into this and every other method and this question has been raised, and discussed, several times. Initially he was very sceptical about Dignitas, never mind veterinary N. Then he decided it was his best method and went for it. Then he claimed A was a scammer and all hope was lost without his N. Now he has the N but feels the need to repeat his original laborious research.

He already knows the answer, and there will never be a response that is satisfactory. He has the N, he knows drinking it is lethal. Everything else is white noise.

The PPH does state that outright failures are "extremely rare"... not that they don't occur at all. But in all of these failures the reason behind it was rather quick discovery and medical intervention. So, @Arak, just ensure you have plenty of time and you will be dead.

 

[Idorus]

Arak, if you can be a bit more specific about the dose used/using (in the past) then I can ask both sources mentioned by Jupiter per email. Or even better; write down your concerns in a few sentences, share it with me and I will address it in my own language. Let's then patiently wait for an answer (weekend just started here).

 

[NoChoice]

May I ask which country you are in and whether you have considered Fentanyl as an add-on? Or something like Quetiapine.

Yes quetiapine is great for brain damage and generally ruining your life, thats what got me here believe me. You might have a rare reaction and just die from the quetiapine by itself

 

[Arak]

Has anyone tested a small dose of N ?

I'm inexperienced with the syringe, but I took about 30 mg (oral). Definitely some motor effects (mostly muscle relaxant) , mild euphoria, very mild sedation. No respiratory depression. Nothing more, not really. I don't think it would be a real hypnotic, in the sense that 60 mg would be a potent drug to induce sleep. Or even 100 mg ... At least one source suggests 100 mg for insomnia.

I erred on the side of caution. The taste wasn't that bad either. That's me !

Again, did anyone test a dose of N ? I'd appreciate a frame of reference.

 

[311]

@JustAboutDone,
At the best it is seriously impaired, and there is no way to get it back anything close to 'normal' in few weeks.
There is no 'tapering off, and resetting your tolerance within weeks'. Not a lack of willpower. Hypothetical scenarios would be very, very long term. Not just a matter of a daily dose of one or two sleeping pills ...

I have never taken antipsychotics but appearently for some reason they can upset the effect of the pentobarbital. Not sure why.

@killing me softly ,

You may or may not have a point. I did not think that the liver functions as anything that is even close to a 'complete' and immediate filter for pentobarbital and other drugs, filtering out all relevant substances at once. If that were the case, it would exlain why chronic alcohol use would make Nembutal so ineffective since that theory of induction of enzymes in the liver could indeed work that way.

But that's a good point. To what extent does the liver act as a filter for the Nembutal ? It was my impression that it was limited at best, and that it would gradually break down drugs and other substances in the bloodstream over time, not instantly. That's a question for someone with a medical background. I just looked around on the internet for a few moments, I coudl not find a clear answer to this question. I'll check again later.

@JustAboutDone , nope and if you mean A I destroyed the emails as requested.

I did read a few credible stories on the internet, including a man who has ingested 12 or 13 gr of N. He was found by his wife 7 or 8 hours later and ultimately 'saved' in a hospital. Makes you wonder about the 'delayed comatose phase'.

It would be a lot easier if you told us your daily dose of benzos man. We are in the dark since we don't

 

[Arak]

@311,

I'm not going to post what drugs I am taking or have been exposed to. But it's not small stuff. Not mere 'sleeping and calming tablets'.

 

[JustAboutDone]

@Korrok this thread might be of use, I'm just looking for another two or three I saw also

 

[throwaway777]

hi ... i ve been clean from abilify 10 mg for nearly 1 year and a half , and from xanax for nearly 3 months ... should i be worried of the cross tolerance ? at first i thought that there was no reason to be worried ...some resources i read online say that a period of 4 weeks clean should be enough, but reading this thread makes me worry

 

[Arak]

@throwaway777 ,

I don't think there is actual cross tolerance between Abilify and N ... but it has been speculated those on/who have been on (???) antipsychotics have greater odds at a prolongued comatose phase.

I don't think it's goign to be a problem as long as your dose fo N is not too low. I wouldn't do 1 bottle ...

 

[throwaway777]

@throwaway777 ,

I don't think there is actual cross tolerance between Abilify and N ... but it has been speculated those on/who have been on (???) antipsychotics have greater odds at a prolongued comatose phase.

I don't think it's goign to be a problem as long as your dose fo N is not too low. I wouldn't do 1 bottle ...

for how much time should i be alone to assure my death ? ...no one knows, right?

 

[311]

for how much time should i be alone to assure my death ? ...no one knows, right?

I would get a hotel room

 

[throwaway777]

I would get a hotel room

the statistics from the various euthanasia organizations include old people with a very bad disease.. and their max time of death seems to be 12 h.. since im young and healthy for me could it be more?

 

[311]

the statistics from the various euthanasia organizations include old people with a very bad disease.. and their max time of death seems to be 12 h.. since im young and healthy for me could it be more?

Probably not. If you get a hotel room you'll be good

 

[Welcumtotherealworld]

But is there an actual risk of surviving with brain/organ damage? Isn't it just a risk of entering a coma before you die? I don't mind being in a coma as long as im dead at the end and don't regain consciousness

Overdoses can result in a vegetative state after a coma if they fail so that is a possibility if the dosage isn't high enough.

 

[throwaway777]

Probably not. If you get a hotel room you'll be good

okay sorry maybe im just overthinking it im scared

 

[Arak]

@throwaway777 ,

I'm not so enthousiastic about hotel rooms ... I would suggest your own place unless you'd think someone would discover you.

 

[311]

okay sorry maybe im just overthinking it im scared

Have you gotten the N yet?