A little story I heard from a family member today that got me irritated. A friend of hers have cystic fibrosis and she is trying by any means to have kids even though she can't and is now planning to try with hormones. Your body is already telling you there is something wrong. Why do people who have physical or mental problems that are quite clear genetic even thinking about having kids, i wouldent wish my condition on my worst enemy, especially not my kids!
I refrained from having kids for this reason. It's natural selection. Although... part of me wonders if mental illness may give a deeper understanding of human nature that may be necessary for future generations to learn how to live more wisely.
Mmm nah maybe not.
Mmm nah maybe not.
I also see it as natural selection, the problem with devolped society is that that we have less kids which is a good thing, so we don't overpopulate, problem is when people only have 1-2 kids they want them to survive, so everyone gets to pass on they genes and the gene pool just gets worse and worse. I hope crispr will change that one day, so people wont have to suffer from chronic illness if it be physical or mental.
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
Some do have that underlying biological need to reproduce regardless. I guess that is how most if not all of the animal kingdom works to some degree.
Hardwired. I never had the urge to reproduce. Never stopped me wanting to have sex though!
Very true, which used to work when we got 7-8 kids and some would die to disease and the healthy offspring would survive.
Most people are not rational, and I do understand that many women have an insane drive to try to have kids before it's too late. Women especially have a strong need to conform to societal expectations and to be accepted by other women. So childless women even now are seen as unnatural and it's like considered lower status. So this is the true reason she is so desperate, also the need to have someone to love them as we age and women live a lot longer than men so that's another reason. Women have less that gives us meaning when we are older and rely heavily on relationships, family especially to give meaning in the second half of life. It's also the having someone around in your old age hopefully if you treated your child well and they help u out in return.
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That makes a lot sense, also why men want kids, they are more lonely than ever. In her case she has cystic fibrosis so she probably wont make 50, but i can see the conform to society, people dont want to stick out.
So we are a genetically unhealthy species. In order for natural selection to work there has to be competition.
So sad that all life is conflict. I used to admire the elegance of evolutionary theory. Now I just see endless conflict.
So sad that all life is conflict. I used to admire the elegance of evolutionary theory. Now I just see endless conflict.
Stan
Factoid Hunter
- Aug 29, 2019
- 2,589
Evolution is a method of mutation which we cannot understand fully. Perhaps creating so many diseases will be mother earth's way of population control
It's all built in as homeostatic feedback mechanisms. War famine disease/pestilence death. Remind you of anything? Population is always controlled. If we can't do it nature will and we won't like it.
It's a perfect brutal horrific system. Some may look at it and find it beautiful. I find it terrifying.
It's a perfect brutal horrific system. Some may look at it and find it beautiful. I find it terrifying.
Yea I'm childless and older and I can tell u it's not a fun place to be even though it has some advantages. I do feel left out of the loop. Your friendships as u get older don't quite replace having actual blood related family u can spend time with as long as u have good relationships with them. It is more empty as an older woman because we don't get satisfaction from the same things men do. Our careers or jobs don't really give women meaning long term anyway.
Quite a controversial thing to say in the modern PC world, but its true, women dont find the same drive in career in the long run. It saddens me to hear you suffer so much from it, I hope you have a few things that make you happy.
I guess thats another reason to ctb, im not going to have offspring, so not even a biological reason to say alive.
not4us
Experienced
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Rachel74
Enlightened
- Sep 7, 2019
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I decided after being diagnosed at 22 with bipolar that I wouldn't have children. I couldn't give this to someone if it was genetic and what my Dr felt it was. So glad I have no children.
We truly need more people like you.
Just watched program on national television about people with mental disabilities and there is a young schizophrenic couple that wants a child, they can barely take care of themselves and cant even work. They say they just want to have a normal life, this indoktrination needs stop
Rachel74
Enlightened
- Sep 7, 2019
- 1,716
I was lucky I had a Dr say mine was most definitely genetic especially as my grandad committed suicide over manic depression. Why bring a kid into this fucked up world?
I had dogs instead! Best thing ever
Im epileptic.
The chance of my child being born epileptic is higher than normal. For this reason I refuse to have children. Any genetically sick person (epilepsy, cf, whatever else) should be, only in my opinion, prevented from having children because they would be subjecting the child to unnecessary suffering just to call themselves a parent. That's fucked up.
The chance of my child being born epileptic is higher than normal. For this reason I refuse to have children. Any genetically sick person (epilepsy, cf, whatever else) should be, only in my opinion, prevented from having children because they would be subjecting the child to unnecessary suffering just to call themselves a parent. That's fucked up.
We have advanced beyond our ability to adapt to our environment.
evolution-institute.org
The answer... is dogs.
The Darwinian Causes of Mental Illness - This View Of Life
Why hasn’t natural selection eliminated -- or at least severely reduced the frequency of -- well-known risk alleles for major depression and other mental health conditions that compromise organismal fitness?
evolution-institute.org
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We have advanced beyond our ability to adapt to our environment.
The answer... is dogs.The Darwinian Causes of Mental Illness - This View Of Life
Why hasn’t natural selection eliminated -- or at least severely reduced the frequency of -- well-known risk alleles for major depression and other mental health conditions that compromise organismal fitness?
Constant noise and vibrant colors, different smells all the time, people all around all the time 24/7, horrible food etc.
Food is a giant factor, my gut is beyond repair, but had a friend who had general anxiety disorder, he quit refined sugar and coffee, and is mangeging stress levels as good as he can, haven't had an attack since.
Genes are turned off and on by the environment so don't be so quick to think your children are doomed. You can control the environment u bring them into to lessen the risk that they will develop mental health problems.
Darkhaven
All i have left is memories
- May 19, 2019
- 979
I have been called a nazi and a supremacist for defending eugenics.
I don't give a fuck though. I truly believe only the healthy should reproduce. Better yet, only the more genetically gifted should have kids.
Think about it. It's an investment. By only letting the strong and healthy breed you are promoting better health and less suffering and less lives destroyed by poor genetics in the future.
And no one suffers. The ones that don't qualify can live their lives untill they die, only they shouldn't have kids.
Sure it's unfair, but most of these people only want to have kids for pride and egocentric reasons, so...
I don't give a fuck though. I truly believe only the healthy should reproduce. Better yet, only the more genetically gifted should have kids.
Think about it. It's an investment. By only letting the strong and healthy breed you are promoting better health and less suffering and less lives destroyed by poor genetics in the future.
And no one suffers. The ones that don't qualify can live their lives untill they die, only they shouldn't have kids.
Sure it's unfair, but most of these people only want to have kids for pride and egocentric reasons, so...
Well plenty of societies have done that to trive and survive. The childeren will also be happy and healthy, plus a population reduction, it seems like a logical and sound solution.
sammii
I have no idea what I’m doing.
- Oct 9, 2019
- 221
I can't have kids so I can't pass on my shitty genes 
yaaay lmao. Most definitely a good thing cause I'm autistic and have a million mental health issues, one of my little brothers is autistic and has dyspraxia, and my other little brother has really bad ADHD.
yaaay lmao. Most definitely a good thing cause I'm autistic and have a million mental health issues, one of my little brothers is autistic and has dyspraxia, and my other little brother has really bad ADHD.
Luchs
kristallene Bergluft über verfallener Gruft
- Aug 20, 2019
- 528
Exactly, she could adopt a perfectly healthy child, instead of putting someone with a genetic defect into the world.
I desperately wanted a child since I was a child myself, as far back as I can remember.
When adults would ask me what I wanted to been I grew up I'd lie and say "teacher" or "doctor" cos I knew that's the sort of thing they wanted to hear (my birth family are mostly socialist and feminist, as are their friends etc.) but really my dream was to be a housewife and full-time mum.
At 16 I had unprotected sex and a late period, and was secretly disappointed when the pregnancy test was negative.
I was pregnant twice, at 21 and 27 years old, but by then I'd grown up, learnt a bit more about the world and about myself, and had abortions both times.
I helped raise my nephew, since his dad walked out when he was 6 weeks old. He's 27 now, and calls me his 2nd mum.
Then my other sister got addicted to heroin and asked me to kinship foster her 6 year old daughter to stop social services taking her. I had her two years, til my sister was drug free and stable enough to have her back, and then I visited her weekly for years after. My niece is now 18 and calls her "other mother" or sometimes "oth-moth" for short. She phones me 4-5 times a week and texts me every day to tell me she loves me.
For money, as a nanny, I've also cared for another 6 children who are all teenagers/young adults now and they call me auntie!
Now my friend is paying me to have her 5 month old baby for 7 hours per week, as of last week,
and I'm looking forward to watching this little one grow. I hope I can be a support to her when she, like all the others, gets old enough realise the realities of this world... It's agony to watch, but tends not to kick in for at least 13-16 years, and those earlier years are such joy.
I always say - I love children, that is exactly why I chose not to create any.
The children, teens and young adults I know are flipping awesome. This world does not deserve them and they do not deserve this world but like me have to navigate it in all it's shitty glory regardless.
When adults would ask me what I wanted to been I grew up I'd lie and say "teacher" or "doctor" cos I knew that's the sort of thing they wanted to hear (my birth family are mostly socialist and feminist, as are their friends etc.) but really my dream was to be a housewife and full-time mum.
At 16 I had unprotected sex and a late period, and was secretly disappointed when the pregnancy test was negative.
I was pregnant twice, at 21 and 27 years old, but by then I'd grown up, learnt a bit more about the world and about myself, and had abortions both times.
I helped raise my nephew, since his dad walked out when he was 6 weeks old. He's 27 now, and calls me his 2nd mum.
Then my other sister got addicted to heroin and asked me to kinship foster her 6 year old daughter to stop social services taking her. I had her two years, til my sister was drug free and stable enough to have her back, and then I visited her weekly for years after. My niece is now 18 and calls her "other mother" or sometimes "oth-moth" for short. She phones me 4-5 times a week and texts me every day to tell me she loves me.
For money, as a nanny, I've also cared for another 6 children who are all teenagers/young adults now and they call me auntie!
Now my friend is paying me to have her 5 month old baby for 7 hours per week, as of last week,
and I'm looking forward to watching this little one grow. I hope I can be a support to her when she, like all the others, gets old enough realise the realities of this world... It's agony to watch, but tends not to kick in for at least 13-16 years, and those earlier years are such joy.
I always say - I love children, that is exactly why I chose not to create any.
The children, teens and young adults I know are flipping awesome. This world does not deserve them and they do not deserve this world but like me have to navigate it in all it's shitty glory regardless.
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I'm antinatalist. Won't reproduce regardless of genes. Even if its good genes, I still won't. Life is shitty inherently and not limited to the genetic factor.
Luchs
kristallene Bergluft über verfallener Gruft
- Aug 20, 2019
- 528
I don't think life is inherently garbage. I know more than enough people that enjoy their life. Your perspective seems kind of over the top. How did you come to this conclusion?
Life is inherently bad. Knowing more than enough has nothing to do with the logical conclusion. Logically speaking, for life to be good, it must be good for "everyone" but if "anyone" has a bad life then its bad. If one ignores this someone and pretend life is fine because of themselves and/or their beliefs then its selfishness because there are many counterexamples of suffering and inherently bad lives. Yes, I do care about those lives, why did they exist and suffer, even if its only one person.
Humans are programmed to sugarcoat life and avoid deep thinking that exposes the faults of life. Despite how many clear and straightforward some of the faults are, the human brain originally ignores all of it and choose to live with illusions or beliefs to continue living. That's why people with problems like mental or some of the intelligent people suffers even if their other circumstances are good, if the human continues to think scientifically, many things will get exposed.
Death is something that will happen to everyone but humans tend to ignore it, even if not death, they will ignore how life and time is a wheel that destructs everything.
This is one article of how brain automatically avoid these stuff
Your Brain 'Shields' Itself from the Existential Threat of Death
We just can't grasp our own mortality.
Finally, one can put and list the problems that can occur in life and the list is countless and many of those problems has no real solutions. You can see how many people suffers here in the forum for example and their stories and look at the causes. Anyway, if you still find life is cool, I don't recommend you to go deeper because once one go into that direction, there is no coming back.
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