Once again I don‘t get it how this person just kicks the chair away and hangs fully without any signs of pain

[martyrdom]

If we're guilty for discussing a hanging video then this whole forum is guilty or what? What a stupid logic you have . On sasu there are lots of hanging videos which are shared here and discussed there are even whole posts asking for successful hanging videos yet you had nothing better to do then to come to my post and play here the moralized, then go and also criticize all these others posts you hypocrite or better just leave sasu if you have a problem with it that people discuss their methods :)

I don't care at all if you discuss methods, but it's disgustingly insensitive and unempathetic to commodify a person's suicide that way and analyse its particularities, totally blind to their suffering, expressing jealousy at his success and "lack of SI", unaware and uncaring of the fact that a real human being lost his life, to pick at this person's bones like vultures and be so totally desensitized to human suffering. You can discuss methods respectfully without doing this to a real person who just died on camera. And yes if I saw other posts voyeuristically picking at a person's death I'd criticize them just the same.

 

[CatLvr]

Have you guys forgotten that this is a real human being?

I don't see that in the comments at all (feel free to show me where I'm wrong and I'll apologize). What I "hear" is a combination of people in a lot of pain trying to figure out how this person committed an act that more than a few of them have tried but could not "finish" because of the pain they felt. And quite a bit of admiration for the person's resolve.

But I see no disrespect, no hate, no judgement like I have seen in other places where suicide has been discussed -- where the vitriol is palatable and I can't help but wonder how people can be so disgusting and judgemental of a human they no nothing about except that their pain was so intense they saw death as a comforting solution and not the terrifying thing we have all been taught since birth to believe it is.

I'm not trying to pick a squabble with you btw. Just telling you what I see.

 

[martyrdom]

I'm not trying to pick a squabble with you btw. Just telling you what I see.

Don't worry, I'm not taking it that way. I don't believe they are judging or hating this person, but I think expressing jealousy or admiration for his "resolve" (which is really just an immature, insensitive lack of appreciation for the extent of the pain he was in), analyzing his execution (when this is a person quite literally dying on camera in front of us), saying this (again, a person's death) is "encouraging", is all extremely myopic, unempathetic and callous. This is a human being, it's a person who had a life, possibly loved ones, a family, hobbies, a personality, a particular way he laughed, maybe pets, maybe a favourite drink, and now his death is being lauded and used on a suicide forum as if it's just a thing on a screen. I find this dehumanizing and commodifying.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

After a lot of experimentation with hanging all I have to say is:

1. There's gonna be crazy painful trauma to your neck.

2. Only FSH is gonna kill ya.

Do with that what you will.

Turns out I only have one anchor point high enough. The other two are gonna be tiptoes. Maybe I can commit and kick the chair tonight. But it's gotta be that spot. Oh shit, I hope my dad's lights aren't on motion sensors like in the front.

 

[CatLvr]

Don't worry, I'm not taking it that way. I don't believe they are judging or hating this person, but I think expressing jealousy or admiration for his "resolve" (which is really just an immature, insensitive lack of appreciation for the extent of the pain he was in), analyzing his execution (when this is a person quite literally dying on camera in front of us), saying this (again, a person's death) is "encouraging", is all extremely myopic, unempathetic and callous. This is a human being, it's a person who had a life, possibly loved ones, a family, hobbies, a personality, a particular way he laughed, maybe pets, maybe a favourite drink, and now his death is being lauded and used on a suicide forum as if it's just a thing on a screen. I find this dehumanizing and commodifying.

Ok, I can actually see how you could come to those conclusions, also, now that you have spelled it out for me. Maybe the way you see it versus the way I see it has to do less with the others comments and more with to do with us as individuals?? I know there was a time in my life where I might have come to at least some of the same conclusions you did. Thank you for taking the time to tell me that and not rip my internet persona to shreds.

I would ask just one thing, though (and take this with the understanding that I come from a medical background -- both parents, a brother and a couple of sisters -- as well as a legal one -- my late husband was a cop; I was a paralegal -- Both of us for more than 30 years in each of our chosen field) so I can freely admit that my brain does not react normally or even "emotionally". In fact I have been accused of being a psychopath and a sociopath ... As well as just plain old run-of-the-mill crazy, because my first instinct is curiosity (much like the other people commenting -- now you know why I didn't see what you saw). You really don't have to explain anything to me if it makes you feel uncomfortable. Or if you think it will compromise your anonymity here. But I am curious -- do you typically have a more analytical thought process or do you lean towards more emotional thought-processing?? God, that sounds like I am trying to beat you up because you defended a dead person's humanity on the internet and nothing could be further from the truth. Now that you have told me I can absolutely see how someone could think that -- especially since none of us "know" each other -- I am actually trying to figure out HOW it is that I could not see what you saw. Like am I really that cold-hearted of a bitch?? Though I don't really see THAT either because no one (least of all myself) is rejoicing the guy is gone. Ugh, maybe I should quit while I am behind because I am not expressing myself well at all. I'm basically trying to figure out how to be more sensitive to how others might see something like this when it comes up again -- because it will. Maybe not this person. Or this method. But there are always questions. And there us no shortages of videos out there showing literally any kind of method we could possibly dream up.

You are welcome to DM me if you don't want to discuss on the open forum. I can see where some of this might be triggering to say the least. And again, thanks for taking the time. I appreciate it.

After a lot of experimentation with hanging all I have to say is:

1. There's gonna be crazy painful trauma to your neck.

2. Only FSH is gonna kill ya.

Do with that what you will.

Turns out I only have one anchor point high enough. The other two are gonna be tiptoes. Maybe I can commit and kick the chair tonight. But it's gotta be that spot. Oh shit, I hope my dad's lights aren't on motion sensors like in the front.

I'm having a brain fart ... FSH??

 

[martyrdom]

Thank you for taking the time to tell me that and not rip my internet persona to shreds.

You engaged genuinely with me in good faith, I don't mind disagreement, and have no reason I'd ever rip you to shreds. I believe I have read before (I apologize if I've confused you for someone else) that you're a woman in your 70s and so for that alone I respect you greatly and would never antagonize you like that. You have life experience and insights I probably could never have at my age.

But I am curious -- do you typically have a more analytical thought process or do you lean towards more emotional thought-processing??

I try to marry both. I was a firefighter and have seen quite a lot of gore and death in real life (due to being a firefighter among other life experiences involving extreme violence--I can go into those in DMs). I am desensitized to it in the sense that it doesn't crush my soul to see it or cause me disgust or fear, but I never became desensitized to it in terms of not being able to humanize the person or appreciate the full extent of the consequences of their death or injury, the loved ones they've left behind, the suffering they endured, or the fact that a life has been extinguished. I however dehumanize people quickly, easily and very comprehensively if I genuinely hate them (and no I don't hate the people I criticized in this thread).

Like am I really that cold-hearted of a bitch??

I don't think you are, at all. I think the culture of this forum, as well as the broader culture of the internet, creates this distance with reality that makes it hard for the human brain to fully encapsulate the humanity, tragedy or reality of something we see on screen, and this often creeps in without conscious realization. I don't know if this has happened to you, but it's an observation I've made. Your background in the medical field is likely also part of it, the resulting analytical or desensitized approach from which is very critical to ensure the functioning of many people who work in it. But you know best and yes I'd be happy to discuss it further in PMs as well, I'm happy to talk to you.