Not committing suicide because it is painful

[Mm80]

The former, yes. And this continues for some indefinite length of time.

A bit confused with this. After clinical death we will have an awareness that we are dying. Are you saying that the brain carries on after the body dies for an indefinite amount of time? And how would anyone know this who is still alive?
Thanks in advance.

 

[SNOB]

My method of choice I've been researching is SN. But now reading through these posts I'm thinking I can ctb with fentanyl instead. My ex sells H that's laced with F. May just take longer to get some $$ and also more time. Im already a heroin addict, so it makes it easily accessible. Problem is that I have trouble hitting myself . I seem to miss my veins or they roll. I usually ask ppl to hit me, but nobody is going to hit me and NOT bring me back. I've been brought back to life from accidentally OD three times . Fuck my life.

I'm an addict too but methadone has increased my tolerance that much I have found it impossible to OD!!

 

[ExitStageLeft]

A bit confused with this. After clinical death we will have an awareness that we are dying. Are you saying that the brain carries on after the body dies for an indefinite amount of time? And how would anyone know this who is still alive?
Thanks in advance.

The brain can continue on for thirty minutes after death. But it seems to be highly dependent on the individual in question. And the manner of death certainly matters - if I shoot myself in the head, that's clearly going to be different than if I take SN or drown or whatever. And one theory I've heard, though I am not educated enough to endorse it, is that your brain floods with glutamate, which will have the effect of "extending" the subjective feeling of time. It might "seem" indefinite, even though your brain is only active for ten or fifteen minutes.

My takeaway: if your chosen method of CTBing doesn't destroy the brain in the process, then you need to undertake it with a view to minimizing pain in your final moments, lest you end up in a genuinely horrible place at the point of death. N, heroin, fentanyl, etc. are always to be preferred where possible. If not possible, then a shotgun blast to the head is probably preferable to drowning, hanging, etc: either obliterate the physical brain or die painlessly.

Not denying it, but where did you get this understanding from?

From our own SN guide - it causes heart palpitations, headache, nausea, etc.

N is really the only painless method of death, unfortunately.

 

[AcornUnderground]

The problem with it is not that you'll survive, but that death is a process and that there will be some indeterminant period in which you will still be "aware", before your brain fully achieves death, which may subjectively be far longer than the actual process of achieving clinical death.

My recommendation: fentanyl, if you have access to it, combined with N.

Where is this theory coming from and what is "far longer"? Just wondering your thinking. If you get out under for surgery, for example, there is no recollection of that time.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

Where is this theory coming from and what is "far longer"? Just wondering your thinking. If you get out under for surgery, for example, there is no recollection of that time.

Study Shows Electrical Activity in the Brain after Clinical Death

A newly published animal study from the University of Michigan shows high electrical activity in the brain after clinical death, providing the first scientific framework for near-death experiences. Ann Arbor, Michigan — The "near-death experience" reported by cardiac arrest survivors worldwide ma

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Ann Arbor, Michigan — The "near-death experience" reported by cardiac arrest survivors worldwide may be grounded in science, according to research at the University of Michigan Health System.

Whether and how the dying brain is capable of generating conscious activity has been vigorously debated.

But in this week's PNAS Early Edition, a U-M study shows shortly after clinical death, in which the heart stops beating and blood stops flowing to the brain, rats display brain activity patterns characteristic of conscious perception.

"This study, performed in animals, is the first dealing with what happens to the neurophysiological state of the dying brain," says lead study author Jimo Borjigin, Ph.D., associate professor of molecular and integrative physiology and associate professor of neurology at the University of Michigan Medical School.

"It will form the foundation for future human studies investigating mental experiences occurring in the dying brain, including seeing light during cardiac arrest," she says.

Approximately 20 percent of cardiac arrest survivors report having had a near-death experience. These visions and perceptions have been called "realer than real," according to previous research, but it remains unclear whether the brain is capable of such activity after cardiac arrest.

"We reasoned that if near-death experience stems from brain activity, neural correlates of consciousness should be identifiable in humans or animals even after the cessation of cerebral blood flow," she says.

Researchers analyzed the recordings of brain activity called electroencephalograms (EEGs) from nine anesthetized rats undergoing experimentally induced cardiac arrest.

Within the first 30 seconds after cardiac arrest, all of the rats displayed a widespread, transient surge of highly synchronized brain activity that had features associated with a highly aroused brain.

Furthermore, the authors observed nearly identical patterns in the dying brains of rats undergoing asphyxiation.

And as I mentioned previously, there's evidence of some degree of brain functionality, in some patients, up to a half-hour after clinical death. If the goal is to have an "easy out", to have a relatively pleasant death experience, it follows logically that the location and manner of death are important, because you're not just blinking out of existence.

For me, given my circumstances, fentanyl + clean motel room are the goal.

 

[HadEnough1974]

If the pain you feel in everyday life is greater than the pain of suicide, then... do the math.

 

[Anon2662]

The main reason I haven't done it yet is because I'm obviously really scared of the pain. But I don't get it. Why does it even matter if it's painful if I'm going to die anyway. I may suffer greatly for some seconds or minutes but then I won't exist. I was thinking of jumping from a high building but I know that realistically I can't do it because I can't imagine my bones breaking and blood splitting everywhere after I suffered the greatest suffering. But why does it matter still. Ugh.

I think this is completely normal and many people experience this. I want to go out as painlessly as possible not only for my benefit but for my family too. I think it will help them to know I didn't suffer. With enough research I think there are certainly desirable methods with limited pain. I was going with SN but for some reason every time o order it doesn't arrive :( but I was always keen on CO too as that seems very peaceful so I think this is the method for me. I totally get the whole imagining bones breaking after jumping thing because I've been there too!

 

[Paull]

I think this is completely normal and many people experience this. I want to go out as painlessly as possible not only for my benefit but for my family too. I think it will help them to know I didn't suffer. With enough research I think there are certainly desirable methods with limited pain. I was going with SN but for some reason every time o order it doesn't arrive :( but I was always keen on CO too as that seems very peaceful so I think this is the method for me. I totally get the whole imagining bones breaking after jumping thing because I've been there too!

So sn or co?

 

[Soul]

Sorry - a bunch of people asked some of the same things while I was typing. But still:

Again, unless you totally obliterate your brain, you will continue to 'exist' for quite a long time after clinical death.

I don't disagree with this concept, so I'm discussing, not attacking, ok?

You seem to be more sure of this theory each time you post about it, and the length of time we theoretically retain consciousness seems to be getting longer as well. Can you share what you're basing these speculations on? and what you mean by "quite a long time"?

Do you also consider that totally obliterating the brain might not end consciousness either? Maybe some other organs or cells are crucial, like the skin or something on a genetic level. Then what??

I reckon most people really really hope this just isn't true.

 

[Painless_end]

The main reason I haven't done it yet is because I'm obviously really scared of the pain. But I don't get it. Why does it even matter if it's painful if I'm going to die anyway. I may suffer greatly for some seconds or minutes but then I won't exist. I was thinking of jumping from a high building but I know that realistically I can't do it because I can't imagine my bones breaking and blood splitting everywhere after I suffered the greatest suffering. But why does it matter still. Ugh.

Same

 

[Mm80]

The brain can continue on for thirty minutes after death. But it seems to be highly dependent on the individual in question. And the manner of death certainly matters - if I shoot myself in the head, that's clearly going to be different than if I take SN or drown or whatever. And one theory I've heard, though I am not educated enough to endorse it, is that your brain floods with glutamate, which will have the effect of "extending" the subjective feeling of time. It might "seem" indefinite, even though your brain is only active for ten or fifteen minutes.

My takeaway: if your chosen method of CTBing doesn't destroy the brain in the process, then you need to undertake it with a view to minimizing pain in your final moments, lest you end up in a genuinely horrible place at the point of death. N, heroin, fentanyl, etc. are always to be preferred where possible. If not possible, then a shotgun blast to the head is probably preferable to drowning, hanging, etc: either obliterate the physical brain or die painlessly.


From our own SN guide - it causes heart palpitations, headache, nausea, etc.

N is really the only painless method of death, unfortunately.

Thanks for clarifying

 

[time2register]

Same

samesies

Part of me wishes I could do just do a good ol' fashioned painful method like hanging. I just know I'm too averse, would rather to drift away in my sleep.

 

[almost ded]

The main reason I haven't done it yet is because I'm obviously really scared of the pain. But I don't get it. Why does it even matter if it's painful if I'm going to die anyway. I may suffer greatly for some seconds or minutes but then I won't exist. I was thinking of jumping from a high building but I know that realistically I can't do it because I can't imagine my bones breaking and blood splitting everywhere after I suffered the greatest suffering. But why does it matter still. Ugh.

Hi, don't worry. most of us fells the same. another think, don't believe for the face value when people say when you day you feel nothing. nobody really knows. you just cant.I'm planning to go hopefully this weekend and i'm scared like fucking fly. and I cant use eny methods exept cutting wrist (I know I know... its shity method, but do it bravely in right circumstances in place where ther is nothing near, no phone. Who knows?) or hanging. Hanging would do it, but don't like choking. Fucking cant go off my mind, this horrible feeling).
Would be happy to hear what is your suffering (sounds bad :) ). mine is I'am just fucking failure. 29yo, and all my live I was just that.What is more disappointing I had opportunities. few off them for sure, but I just fuck things up far worse then they was in the beginning. Anxiety and addiction. overthinking world stupidity and just how most people are stupid. and stupid isn even bad, but what about people being so mean? what good can you reach being crude and mean? wtf with the woors, murder, torture... isn't is enough that people torture themselves with various means? I have my teorys, but people just ignore them or say you are nutjob. maybe Iam, but fuck at least I tried to understand this shit hole. most don't even try and think they know. hate this place, but even moore hate my self for not being able to function. And fack it hurts for my family. we have disagreement, but they supported me, the tried. they just cant understand me and I tried to explain. there is so much I want to tell... fuck my death note will by very long, or very short

 

[Hoopali]

I believe the method is partly dependant on the experience in life and the reason for ctb in the first place.

For example, my reason is a mental health issue, so I am not used to physical pain or discomfort (except that which accompanies panic attacks/anxiety). Therefore, I do not want it at my death as pain, quite rightly, is something I want to avoid.

Therefore my method of choice is nitrogen which is painless and will shut down the brain pretty quickly and - in theory - I will just pass out through hypoxia without being aware.

My (unsubstantiated) view is if you live with physical pain - a chronic illness or disability - then you would be less averse to a little pain to end it as you already are aware of your pain threshold so then other methods such as hanging or sn come into play.

That is not to say that mental health illness sufferers do not go with painful methods. In the midst of an episode then I'm sure people would take and do anything to end it - I know I would - but for a planned suicide then the above is my view

I am basing this on nothing but my own view of course. So it could all be rubbish, but it's just my two cents to the conversation.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

My takeaway: if your chosen method of CTBing doesn't destroy the brain in the process, then you need to undertake it with a view to minimizing pain in your final moments, lest you end up in a genuinely horrible place at the point of death. N, heroin, fentanyl, etc. are always to be preferred where possible. If not possible, then a shotgun blast to the head is probably preferable to drowning, hanging, etc: either obliterate the physical brain or die painlessly.

For me, given my circumstances, fentanyl + clean motel room are the goal.

So you're no longer considering self-immolation?

 

[ExitStageLeft]

So you're no longer considering self-immolation?

Nah. That was pique + attention grabbing.

 

[hypnogen]

As far as I understood it one passes out during SN overdose, so mixing it with high doses of benzodiazepines should make one die while being unconsciouss even before he passes out from SN overdose.

 

[HorribleFeelings1]

Again, I would challenge you on this. The brain continues to operate for quite some time after clinical death has been achieved - indeed, death is a continual process, and there's no reason to believe that it occurs in real-time from the subjective perspective of the deceased.

The fastest method is almost certainly a shotgun blast to the head. But in terms of accessibility/cost/etc., N+fent is the way to go.

Man can you just stop for a moment and realize
1. It was joke
2. I never asked

sorry to be harsh on you but you just need to lay back for a moment

 

[Otter]

The pros of SN are legality, cost, accessibility.
Other methods rate higher in peacefulness, but can be a major headache in terms of sourcing them, cost, and considering legal implications, etc.
e.g. Some people spend several months going through all the many hurdles of the sourcing process.

You left out the most important one.......
Recovery.....No long term damage if unsuccessful