Resource Non-methods that should not be attempted

[77redbike]

As I said, I do not advise people on how to do it, and don't want this thread to get off track and turn into a how to do it thread. You have the whole website of resources at your disposal to do your own research and make your own conclusions. This thread is not that.

As a new member I'd like to know where on this website do I go to do the research ?

 

[Mav]

If you read the post I state that different prescription meds have different reliability, ranging from very reliable to very unreliable. If you have questions about specific prescriptions then do your own research.

I can't find that post. Where is it?

 

[fearofthedark]

Is aconitine poisoning a bad way to go?

 

[Ex Is Tense]

This is a good post. I used to inform people about this type of stuff whenever it came up in discussions. I had come across the info from some independent research.

 

[ladylazarus4]

What about really high doses of ibuprofen ( like 4000-5000mg)?? It is similiar to paracetamol but its not really the same stuff

nope. The ld-50 for ibuprofen is 636 mg/kg of bodyweight. This means that this is the lethal dose for 50% of the population (presumably the weaker half, like kids and the elderly). So if you're 50 kg or 110 lbs, that's almost 32000 mg.

 

[TheBlackSwordsman]

I have to say, in today's climate it's funny to read, because people voluntarily do multi-day dry-fasting now for health reasons. Some even fasting for longer than 7 days if we are talking about more extreme dry-fasting.
I used to believe this myth ngl, but not anymore. Even had a friend do a 3-day dry-fast not that long ago. I, myself, have only done ~30 hours by accident before, and I also biked some 60km in warm summer weather at the time and felt perfectly fine.

Good write-up, though, thank you.

I've done a 3 day dry fast once. Fasting will help heal the body long before it starts to hurt it. The more I read threads like this the more I think it's arguably more of a hassle to try to die than to try to live. But, I don't believe my life is worth living, so I'm stuck.

 

[kaleidoscopicFREN]

I will just say that I accidentally overdosed on 2,4 DNP a month or so ago and was in hospital for a few nights and it was absolutely horrible. I have read about people using it as a method in medical literature and it sounded grim. Obviously I didn't take a lethal dose but even a minor OD was extremely unpleasant and if considering this I would strongly advise against it.

 

[lucyanne]

I can confirm that diphenhydramine does not work. A few years ago, I had taken 100 pills of 50 mg each and only got bad hallucinations.

I'm glad I read this as that was my exit plan, now to look for other options.

 

[DZLWZL]

Can vouch that acetaminophen od is extremely painful and an awful experience

 

[loser4ever4life]

I have a pretty reliable method should I ever decide to catch the train to Willoughby(old Twilight Zone refference)

I have two prescription meds I take for a seizure disorder, one is Phenobarbital. It's a controlled substance, and almost impossible to obtain without a prescription. A one months supply would be 1800mg more than enough to do the job. I doubt I ever will though.

Hey! Not sure if you're still around (hope you are) but I should warn you that 1.8 grams of Phenobarbital (Luminal?) likely won't be enough, the fatal dose is about 5 grams which is in line with the DDMAPh mix dose

Edit: I am not trying to advise you on how to do this, just someone new here trying to let you know some pharma knowledge

 

[timechained]

I would add Amyl/isobutyl nitrite to this list. I drank 60ml total of amyl/isobutyl nitrite (not the white plastic balls).

Contrary to what has been posted elsewhere it didn't burn my throat or tongue. I initially felt dizzy, weak, start sweating, and at first I felt slightly relaxed but ~30mins the real effects will took place and I began to start feeling nauseous.

I felt my stomach heating up and it started to burn.

I puked copiously, and every time I smelt my breath it just smelt like nitrite which then triggered my gag reflexes (this lasted for days). I puked to the point that black blood came out and continued too afterwards. It was horrible.

The smell of nitrite filled the house and at no point was I unconcious!

I was not able to lie down because it stirred my stomach and sleeping was not an option as the smell of the nitrite was overwhelming. I did not feel like drinking or eating anything for a few days (I drank water anyway).

I don't recommend this for anybody, feeling your stomach burning is not pleasant.

 

[SadCryingBunny]

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Thank you Willitpass for this post. I think its great you are posting this because the methods you described are not effective, but can still lead to a lot of misery. This way you can hopefully prevent some people from doing that.

In terms of an effective method according to my research full suspension hanging works best, as long as you are uninterrupted for 30 min, and have a strong rope and anchor point.

I will say that CO poisoning was my initial method of choice but after reading about it a lot I am getting the impression there are many things that can go wrong.

Some other things that seem to me quite at risk of not succeeding (but with lasting condition afterwards) are:
- Jumping off below 50 metres (if you land on your feet you could survive)
- Freezing (you lose fingers, toes, even some limbs, but could be found or just survive)

How about 99.9% Nitrogen using a full face mask? That seems to be least painful and peaceful.

 

[quietbird]

I would add Amyl/isobutyl nitrite to this list. I drank 60ml total of amyl/isobutyl nitrite (not the white plastic balls).

Contrary to what has been posted elsewhere it didn't burn my throat or tongue. I initially felt dizzy, weak, start sweating, and at first I felt slightly relaxed but ~30mins the real effects will took place and I began to start feeling nauseous.

I felt my stomach heating up and it started to burn.

I puked copiously, and every time I smelt my breath it just smelt like nitrite which then triggered my gag reflexes (this lasted for days). I puked to the point that black blood came out and continued too afterwards. It was horrible.

The smell of nitrite filled the house and at no point was I unconcious!

I was not able to lie down because it stirred my stomach and sleeping was not an option as the smell of the nitrite was overwhelming. I did not feel like drinking or eating anything for a few days (I drank water anyway).

I don't recommend this for anybody, feeling your stomach burning is not pleasant.

Oh no. I'm so sorry that happened and so glad I just read this to deter me of ingesting it... Do you think inhaling it would cause similar failed/painful results?

 

[timechained]

Oh no. I'm so sorry that happened and so glad I just read this to deter me of ingesting it... Do you think inhaling it would cause similar failed/painful results?

Every body's tolerance of smells is different but I would highly doubt it would cause a similar experience.

 

[knickknack81]

"Don't Die by jumping:
To understand how jumpers die, first you need to investigate how they survive. If you look into cases of suiciders and construction workers who fell from hights; Turns outmost of them did not land by head -but by stomach/back or even worse,by feet. This cushions the crush and saves the head. Casualties off all are then taken in hospitals and die there in agonising pain,after collapsed organs make body to fail. Only way to guarantee that jumping kills you instantly, is if you jump from high enough building with weight strapped at your head. Which will guarantee that you will fall head first (your head will be pointing downward and touch the surface first). Even that is not enough. One must fall on even terrain and flat asphalt or else, uneven terrain will change body orientation at moment of impact and you will survive the crush. And Idon't even want to mention what it feels to be falling. Get on one of those amusement attractions that simulate fall and feel by yourself.In other words, It is a bad way to die and I would not suggest anyone to try it."

Really? I was told after a certain height (more than 10 stories), jumping is almost guaranteed death. with the speed you are going and the way you hit the ground (maybe not so much by water) it would lead to instant death. I understand some people have have survived these jumps/falls but most of the time the fatality right is very high. Am I mistaken?

 

[Bleh61]

Hey! Not sure if you're still around (hope you are) but I should warn you that 1.8 grams of Phenobarbital (Luminal?) likely won't be enough, the fatal dose is about 5 grams which is in line with the DDMAPh mix dose

Edit: I am not trying to advise you on how to do this, just someone new here trying to let you know some pharma knowledge

Oh, I'm still here. I just haven't been on in a while. I have another medication, Lamotrigine. It's an anticonvulsant. I accidentally overdosed(mild) when I was having a seizure. I think I took 800 mg. I experienced dizziness, slurred speech and confusion. I've been out of work now for 13 months. I used to be able to get away with lying on my resume, but now it seems like they double-check more. I started using just the years, and predictably, I'm getting nowhere. I'm deep in debt to my landlord. If things don't turn around for my by the beginning of June, I might just take the Lamictal and Phenobarbital. I'm doing my best to get out of this, but I can't seem to escape.

Hey! Not sure if you're still around (hope you are) but I should warn you that 1.8 grams of Phenobarbital (Luminal?) likely won't be enough, the fatal dose is about 5 grams which is in line with the DDMAPh mix dose

Edit: I am not trying to advise you on how to do this, just someone new here trying to let you know some pharma knowledge

Oh, I'm still here. I just haven't been on in a while. I have another medication, Lamotrigine. It's an anticonvulsant. I accidentally overdosed(mild) when I was having a seizure. I think I took 800 mg. I experienced dizziness, slurred speech and confusion. I've been out of work now for 13 months. I used to be able to get away with lying on my resume, but now it seems like they double-check more. I started using just the years, and predictably, I'm getting nowhere. I'm deep in debt to my landlord. If things don't turn around for my by the beginning of June, I might just take the Lamictal and Phenobarbital. I'm doing my best to get out of this, but I can't seem to escape.

 

[Dejected 55]

I accidentally stumbled on something recently after doing a lot of random searches... but I saw some reports of people who OD on table salt. The descriptions of what happen sounded better than some of the other things I've read about. Ironically, you have to take everything you read online with a grain of salt (dark humor is all I have these days).

But sincerely, wonder why I haven't seen more about this. Sounds a little more difficult to execute because of the quantity of table salt it requires and the natural aversion our bodies are designed to make us not want to consume it... but otherwise sounded like one of the less painful ways to go. Anyone know more?

 

[kibo]

mod note: this has been added to the suicide resource compilation at the top.

This has been made in response to the ever increasing amount of posts made about highly unlikely methods. Please read before posting about one of these methods or feel free to link if someone does post about them.

This thread is meant to prevent people from trying methods that are almost certain to not kill them but likely to cause harm, whether temporary or permanent. Any method listed in this thread should not be attempted by anyone, and should not be considered a method. I do not give advice on methods that will kill you, as it goes against my personal beliefs, so I will not be responding to any questions asking about them. This has been made for harm reduction to prevent people from ending up in a worse off situation.

Tylenol/paracetamol/acetominophen
An overdose of Tylenol has a probability of ~5% or less of killing you. That is an incredibly low chance. If you succeed, odds are it will be slowly over the course of days to weeks, or even months, as your liver slowly shuts down. This would be an excruciatingly painful death. Liver failure causes your skin to turn yellow, nausea, vomiting, severe abdominal pain, fowl smelling pale stools, and even the potential for massive esophageal bleeding. More than likely, however, you will throw up for several hours before returning back to baseline over the next few days. If you do seek medical care, you will be given the reversal drug and then sent to the psych ward after being medically stabilized.

Other over the counter medications
While over the counter availability differs from country to country, the rule remains that if it can be purchased without a prescription, it is not a method. These medications have been deemed safe enough by your country's government through rigorous testing that they feel confident giving free access to them. This means that the odds of you being able to overdose on it are very low. Once again, less than 10%, though the exact statistic will vary from drug to drug. Generally, no matter what medication you chose, the answer will be waking up in your vomit feeling like you're more hung over than ever. Things such as ibuprofen or other NSAIDs will do nothing but make you vomit. The amount that you would have to take in order to reach toxic levels is high enough that you will throw up before your body gets to that point. If you manage to reach lethal levels, it will be painful and slow, often resulting in severe abdominal pain, seizures and other neurological symptoms. Your kidneys will work overtime to flush it out of your system and you have a very high chance of waking up in a pool of your own vomit. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is another common overdose (this is over the counter in the US, though I know it is prescription in other countries, however the consensus stands) that results in severe hallucinations. These are often described by people who have survived as absolutely terrifying. Following that is likely seizures and coma, however the odds of it being lethal are not in your favor, especially if medical attention is given. It has the potential to cause cardiac side effects, however all of this considered, the fatality rates are considered low, the highest death rate I was able to find was 14%, however this varies from source to source.

Prescription medications
This method has a lot more nuance to it, as certain prescriptions have a high likelihood of lethality when taken in the right doses, while others have next to 0 chance. Generally, most prescriptions have a low chance of killing you. Psychiatric medications are the most discussed on this forum, and are also on the lower end of having any shot at killing you. Antidepressants vary in chance of killing you, though even the most toxic (tricyclics) have only about a 14% chance, not a very good statistic. At worst, certain antidepressants have only a 0.5% chance. Other medications, such as those taken for chronic conditions, vary wildly, however the list of those with a high chance of killing you is significantly shorter than the ones with little or moderate chance. Obviously it would be far too tedious to go and list off all of them.

Cutting
This method is often sought out by people who have seen it in movies or TV shows. It should not be considered a method, as it is only in these shows to play it up for the movies. With a success rate of ~1-4%, the odds are the opposite of in your favor. While they make it seem like you can take a razor blade to the wrist and peacefully slip into unconsciousness in the bathtub, in reality it is nothing like that. The human body is wired to not be able to harm itself in this way. In order to die from blood loss you would have to cut an artery. The arteries are meticulously located beneath several layer of muscle, tendons, and other tissues. They are not meant to be cut, especially not on purpose. Even with wonderful understanding of anatomy, such as healthcare workers, you would have a very, very poor chance of reaching them unless you were in a state of psychosis. If you attempted to, you would find yourself halfway there before realizing you mentally and physically cannot get yourself to go any further. Your mind will stop you without you having any control over it. Many people argue that if they get drunk or high beforehand they will be able to overcome it, however this would impair your ability to properly locate and cut to the arteries. The biggest risk with this method is permanent nerve damage to whatever area you attempt to cut. Depending on how deep you get before aborting, you may end up with severe scarring and potentially anemia or other blood loss related conditions.

VSED (voluntarily stopping eating and drinking)
This method is often sought out by people who hear about it use in terminally ill patients on hospice. These patients are under the care of medical professionals who are prescribing them heavy sedatives and pain killers to ensure that they are in as little distress as possible, as well as likely in the late stages of dying in which thirst and hunger cues are lost. It is also rarely done in people who have reached extreme states of spiritual enlightenment. In general, someone who does not meet either of these criteria will not be able to succeed in VSED. There are currently 0 confirmed cases of this on this site, despite many, many attempts, myself included. While people are under the impression that consuming absolutely no food or fluids will kill you within 3 days max, that is a myth. The body has the potential to make it much longer on absolutely nothing. As you get further and further into dehydration and electrolyte imbalances, your mental state will begin to suffer. Your body will go to extreme lengths to get some sort of fuel. If you have any access to food or water, you will eventually be overcome with an ravenous, primitive desire to eat and drink anything in your path. You will eventually cave. And will then have put yourself through days and days of this for nothing.

Tourniquet method should be added here

 

[imdeeplyhuman]

mod note: this has been added to the suicide resource compilation at the top.

This has been made in response to the ever increasing amount of posts made about highly unlikely methods. Please read before posting about one of these methods or feel free to link if someone does post about them.

This thread is meant to prevent people from trying methods that are almost certain to not kill them but likely to cause harm, whether temporary or permanent. Any method listed in this thread should not be attempted by anyone, and should not be considered a method. I do not give advice on methods that will kill you, as it goes against my personal beliefs, so I will not be responding to any questions asking about them. This has been made for harm reduction to prevent people from ending up in a worse off situation.

Tylenol/paracetamol/acetominophen
An overdose of Tylenol has a probability of ~5% or less of killing you. That is an incredibly low chance. If you succeed, odds are it will be slowly over the course of days to weeks, or even months, as your liver slowly shuts down. This would be an excruciatingly painful death. Liver failure causes your skin to turn yellow, nausea, vomiting, severe abdominal pain, fowl smelling pale stools, and even the potential for massive esophageal bleeding. More than likely, however, you will throw up for several hours before returning back to baseline over the next few days. If you do seek medical care, you will be given the reversal drug and then sent to the psych ward after being medically stabilized.

Other over the counter medications
While over the counter availability differs from country to country, the rule remains that if it can be purchased without a prescription, it is not a method. These medications have been deemed safe enough by your country's government through rigorous testing that they feel confident giving free access to them. This means that the odds of you being able to overdose on it are very low. Once again, less than 10%, though the exact statistic will vary from drug to drug. Generally, no matter what medication you chose, the answer will be waking up in your vomit feeling like you're more hung over than ever. Things such as ibuprofen or other NSAIDs will do nothing but make you vomit. The amount that you would have to take in order to reach toxic levels is high enough that you will throw up before your body gets to that point. If you manage to reach lethal levels, it will be painful and slow, often resulting in severe abdominal pain, seizures and other neurological symptoms. Your kidneys will work overtime to flush it out of your system and you have a very high chance of waking up in a pool of your own vomit. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is another common overdose (this is over the counter in the US, though I know it is prescription in other countries, however the consensus stands) that results in severe hallucinations. These are often described by people who have survived as absolutely terrifying. Following that is likely seizures and coma, however the odds of it being lethal are not in your favor, especially if medical attention is given. It has the potential to cause cardiac side effects, however all of this considered, the fatality rates are considered low, the highest death rate I was able to find was 14%, however this varies from source to source.

Prescription medications
This method has a lot more nuance to it, as certain prescriptions have a high likelihood of lethality when taken in the right doses, while others have next to 0 chance. Generally, most prescriptions have a low chance of killing you. Psychiatric medications are the most discussed on this forum, and are also on the lower end of having any shot at killing you. Antidepressants vary in chance of killing you, though even the most toxic (tricyclics) have only about a 14% chance, not a very good statistic. At worst, certain antidepressants have only a 0.5% chance. Other medications, such as those taken for chronic conditions, vary wildly, however the list of those with a high chance of killing you is significantly shorter than the ones with little or moderate chance. Obviously it would be far too tedious to go and list off all of them.

Cutting
This method is often sought out by people who have seen it in movies or TV shows. It should not be considered a method, as it is only in these shows to play it up for the movies. With a success rate of ~1-4%, the odds are the opposite of in your favor. While they make it seem like you can take a razor blade to the wrist and peacefully slip into unconsciousness in the bathtub, in reality it is nothing like that. The human body is wired to not be able to harm itself in this way. In order to die from blood loss you would have to cut an artery. The arteries are meticulously located beneath several layer of muscle, tendons, and other tissues. They are not meant to be cut, especially not on purpose. Even with wonderful understanding of anatomy, such as healthcare workers, you would have a very, very poor chance of reaching them unless you were in a state of psychosis. If you attempted to, you would find yourself halfway there before realizing you mentally and physically cannot get yourself to go any further. Your mind will stop you without you having any control over it. Many people argue that if they get drunk or high beforehand they will be able to overcome it, however this would impair your ability to properly locate and cut to the arteries. The biggest risk with this method is permanent nerve damage to whatever area you attempt to cut. Depending on how deep you get before aborting, you may end up with severe scarring and potentially anemia or other blood loss related conditions.

VSED (voluntarily stopping eating and drinking)
This method is often sought out by people who hear about it use in terminally ill patients on hospice. These patients are under the care of medical professionals who are prescribing them heavy sedatives and pain killers to ensure that they are in as little distress as possible, as well as likely in the late stages of dying in which thirst and hunger cues are lost. It is also rarely done in people who have reached extreme states of spiritual enlightenment. In general, someone who does not meet either of these criteria will not be able to succeed in VSED. There are currently 0 confirmed cases of this on this site, despite many, many attempts, myself included. While people are under the impression that consuming absolutely no food or fluids will kill you within 3 days max, that is a myth. The body has the potential to make it much longer on absolutely nothing. As you get further and further into dehydration and electrolyte imbalances, your mental state will begin to suffer. Your body will go to extreme lengths to get some sort of fuel. If you have any access to food or water, you will eventually be overcome with an ravenous, primitive desire to eat and drink anything in your path. You will eventually cave. And will then have put yourself through days and days of this for nothing.

And do definitely do not try to OD on anti depressants it's not fun and didn't work.