NHS Talking therapy (UK) - discussing suicide without getting sectioned?

[litany_of_thoughts]

Hi, first post, apologies if this isn't the right section to post this in

I recently tried to ctb without a plan after some recent life events, and although I'm currently still set on doing it, I'm attempting to get as much help as I can first just to see if it makes any difference in my mind before I make that decision final and affect others around me. I'm wondering if anyone have any experience with NHS talking therapy and discussing suicidal ideation with them?

Currently I have a method and a plan but no set date, and I was considering disclosing this in the interest of being fully transparent with the therapist to fully give the experience a try (I had therapy when I was younger after sh'ing for a long time, but I don't think I really engaged with it back then and often hid things/lied during sessions)

Equally though, I can't afford to get sectioned and potentially lose those means/have to have time off work/have my close family find out, all of which will make my situation significantly worse for me and ironically would definitely make me ctb

I'm wondering to what extent I can say things before it becomes a case of them involuntarily sectioning me, if anyone has any personal experience or advice

Thanks in advance :)

 

[OzymandiAsh]

Welp, I literally got sectioned just now for the first time. But only because my family snitched and sent the services some evidence from texts and so on.

Unless they have some evidence that you are likely to immanently CTB or are actively planning, you're probably ok. Passively thinking about suicide won't get you much help. Being actively suicidal though could get you sectioned.

 

[litany_of_thoughts]

Welp, I literally got sectioned just now for the first time. But only because my family snitched and sent the services some evidence from texts and so on.

I'm sorry to hear you got sectioned, that must be really stressful, I hope you're okay :(

Unless they have some evidence that you are likely to immanently CTB or are actively planning, you're probably ok. Passively thinking about suicide won't get you much help. Being actively suicidal though could get you sectioned.

Got it. So if I mention that I don't have a date in mind, but say I'm considering it while keeping it vague then I should be okay? Wanting to be as transparent as I can really just to see if anything helps

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I'm sorry to hear you got sectioned, that must be really stressful, I hope you're okay :(

Got it. So if I mention that I don't have a date in mind, but say I'm considering it while keeping it vague then I should be okay? Wanting to be as transparent as I can really just to see if anything helps

Yeah pretty much. I even used to vaguely tell them about methods I was considering (like jumping off a cliff etc.) and that I wrote up a list of potential methods, they still didn't do anything.

 

[deny_conformity]

I tried to CTB last year and ended up in a coma for a week.

I am now under a community team and tell my care coordinator about my thoughts and plans (nothing in the immediate future but I have plans for how I'd do it - sodium nitrite). She had asked me if I think I need to go to a hospital or mental health retreat but nowhere near "you need to be sectioned".

Just be honest and they will do what is best for you.

 

[GremlinCan56]

Yeah pretty much. I even used to vaguely tell them about methods I was considering (like jumping off a cliff etc.) and that I wrote up a list of potential methods, they still didn't do anything.

Finallyy someone who could relate. I wasn't even vague, I was outlining where and when and timings. They still didn't care.

Hi, first post, apologies if this isn't the right section to post this in

I recently tried to ctb without a plan after some recent life events, and although I'm currently still set on doing it, I'm attempting to get as much help as I can first just to see if it makes any difference in my mind before I make that decision final and affect others around me. I'm wondering if anyone have any experience with NHS talking therapy and discussing suicidal ideation with them?

Currently I have a method and a plan but no set date, and I was considering disclosing this in the interest of being fully transparent with the therapist to fully give the experience a try (I had therapy when I was younger after sh'ing for a long time, but I don't think I really engaged with it back then and often hid things/lied during sessions)

Equally though, I can't afford to get sectioned and potentially lose those means/have to have time off work/have my close family find out, all of which will make my situation significantly worse for me and ironically would definitely make me ctb

I'm wondering to what extent I can say things before it becomes a case of them involuntarily sectioning me, if anyone has any personal experience or advice

Thanks in advance :)

I mean in my experience they don't usually section you for mentioning suicide. They might recommend some suicide volunteer places but idk.

You're most likely just fine sharing. I was kind of shocked myself as to how little they reacted. Not to discourage you, but it should be fine to disclose to them.

 

[MimiMiku]

Hi, first post, apologies if this isn't the right section to post this in

I recently tried to ctb without a plan after some recent life events, and although I'm currently still set on doing it, I'm attempting to get as much help as I can first just to see if it makes any difference in my mind before I make that decision final and affect others around me. I'm wondering if anyone have any experience with NHS talking therapy and discussing suicidal ideation with them?

Currently I have a method and a plan but no set date, and I was considering disclosing this in the interest of being fully transparent with the therapist to fully give the experience a try (I had therapy when I was younger after sh'ing for a long time, but I don't think I really engaged with it back then and often hid things/lied during sessions)

Equally though, I can't afford to get sectioned and potentially lose those means/have to have time off work/have my close family find out, all of which will make my situation significantly worse for me and ironically would definitely make me ctb

I'm wondering to what extent I can say things before it becomes a case of them involuntarily sectioning me, if anyone has any personal experience or advice

Thanks in advance :)

I think how you present yourself plays a role in a professionals decision making. If you appear calm and you don't visibly look like your manic or having a psychotic episode you should be able to be a bit more honest without being sectioned.
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[litany_of_thoughts]

Finallyy someone who could relate. I wasn't even vague, I was outlining where and when and timings. They still didn't care.

I mean in my experience they don't usually section you for mentioning suicide. They might recommend some suicide volunteer places but idk.

You're most likely just fine sharing. I was kind of shocked myself as to how little they reacted. Not to discourage you, but it should be fine to disclose to them.

Ah okay, I think given what @MimiMiku has also said I'll probably just try and present myself in a reasonably 'sane' way (a bit difficult at the moment given disassociation to be honest, but still capable) gague their reaction etc and decide from there how much I disclose. Thank you so much for the help from all of you, I appreciate it