New here. Want methods and tips.

[antinatalismpromort]

Hello, everyone. I'm new here, I've made my decision. Right now I'm trying the "not eating and drinking method" (basically starvation and dehydration). Please don't come here offering me "help", therapy, or anything like that. I won't change my mind. I just wanted some tips about other methods I can use.

 

[broken serenity]

Nice, have you read all the pinned threads? There's a bunch of methods and non-methods listed there. Vsed is probably not gonna work and it goes into detail why.

 

[boddibo]

Welcome, but your answers are in the pinneds thread of the suicide section.

VSED (voluntary stoping eating and drinking) absolutely is a non-method,
but you can check the resource compilations to see what you could consider options for yourself.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Nice, have you read all the pinned threads? There's a bunch of methods and non-methods listed there. Vsed is probably not gonna work and it goes into detail why.

thanks for replying. I haven't done it yet. I just wanted a full on conversation with other people, rather than just "reading methods in an unpersonal manner".

Welcome, but your answers are in the pinneds thread of the suicide section.

VSED (voluntary stoping eating and drinking) absolutely is a non-method,
but you can check the resource compilations to see what you could consider options for yourself.

just read it, and yeah, I understand it's very risky but I don't want anything physical (or even chemical). The only chemical method I would like it's medical euthanasia with barbiturics. But I'm too broke to go to Switzerland to have that. I'm also hoping not eating and drinking will make me save money in the meantime (if I don't die sooner).

 

[chaoschuckler]

Ive attempted that before, and it didn't work. My survival instincts always pushed me to eat something, so death kept postponing . Instead, it just left me malnourished, caused severe hair loss, damaged my body, and worsened my eyesight and dental health. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it, but good luck with whatever you decide

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Ive attempted that before, and it didn't work. My survival instincts always pushed me to eat something, so death kept postponing . Instead, it just left me malnourished, caused severe hair loss, damaged my body, and worsened my eyesight and dental health. Personally, I wouldn't recommend it, but good luck with whatever you decide

right now I'm currently 212 pounds (a little bit overweight for my height). Does your weight has anything to do with the complications?

 

[Bishop]

thanks for replying. I haven't done it yet. I just wanted a full on conversation with other people, rather than just "reading methods in an unpersonal manner".

just read it, and yeah, I understand it's very risky but I don't want anything physical (or even chemical). The only chemical method I would like it's medical euthanasia with barbiturics. But I'm too broke to go to Switzerland to have that. I'm also hoping not eating and drinking will make me save money in the meantime (if I don't die sooner).

If only it were so easy as going to Switzerland.

 

[chaoschuckler]

right now I'm currently 212 pounds (a little bit overweight for my height). Does your weight has anything to do with the complications?

Well, I don't really pay attention to my height or weight, so I honestly have no idea how much I weigh. I don't think I'm overweight though probably somewhere within a normal range. Sorry, I can't give a definite answer about that.
Still, I think it can seriously mess you up physically regardless of your weight, which ain't good if it doesn't actually kill you.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

If only it were so easy as going to Switzerland.

yeah, I know it's hard but I think it's the only country that accepts "mental suffering" as a cause. I'm 24, I'm physically healthy, and I hate living.

 

[adamantc]

right now I'm currently 212 pounds (a little bit overweight for my height). Does your weight has anything to do with the complications?

A higher weight usually means you can lose more before your self preservation makes you eat. However, the most weight loss is usually achieved by eating a little, not by completely fasting.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Well, I don't really pay attention to my height or weight, so I honestly have no idea how much I weigh. I don't think I'm overweight though probably somewhere within a normal range. Sorry, I can't give a definite answer about that.
Still, I think it can seriously mess you up physically regardless of your weight, which ain't good if it doesn't actually kill you.

yeah, in the meantime I'm sticking to that. If it doesn't kill me, a few days of not buying food won't hurt my bank account for me to save money to get medical euthanasia

A higher weight usually means you can lose more before your self preservation makes you eat. However, the most weight loss is usually achieved by eating a little, not by completely fasting.

yeah, my goal is not weight loss, it's literally exiting. And I actually have food addiction (I know I could use that as a method to give myself diabetes but being overweight has a damaging effect in your mobility and stamina), so that's another reason I've decided for the opposite method: not eating and drinking at all.

 

[chaoschuckler]

yeah, in the meantime I'm sticking to that. If it doesn't kill me, a few days of not buying food won't hurt my bank account for me to save money to get medical euthanasia

Okay, but first check whether you're actually eligible for euthanasia. If you're not, maybe use that time to explore other options instead of starving yourself. You could spend that money on things you genuinely enjoy or experiences that make life a bit more bearable

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Okay, but first check whether you're actually eligible for euthanasia. If you're not, maybe use that time to explore other options instead of starving yourself. You could spend that money on things you genuinely enjoy or experiences that make life a bit more bearable

trust me, I don't want to "better" my life. I don't care for anything anymore. I just want out.

 

[Bishop]

yeah, I know it's hard but I think it's the only country that accepts "mental suffering" as a cause. I'm 24, I'm physically healthy, and I hate livin

Okay, but first check whether you're actually eligible for euthanasia. If you're not, maybe use that time to explore other options instead of starving yourself. You could spend that money on things you genuinely enjoy or experiences that make life a bit more bearable

Agreed. Not many qualify.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Agreed. Not many qualify.

I've read that Switzerland is unique amongs the countries that legalized euthanasia. It's the only one that considers mental suffering as a valid reason. I really don't want to do anything physical or chemical at home.

 

[chaoschuckler]

trust me, I don't want to "better" my life. I don't care for anything anymore. I just want out.

I get what you mean. What I meant was spend your remaining time doing things u enjoy or trying things u have always wanted to do but never had the chance to. At least ur final moments would feel meaningful or joyful instead of being spent suffering.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

I get what you mean. What I meant was spend your remaining time doing things u enjoy or trying things u have always wanted to do but never had the chance to. At least ur final moments would feel meaningful or joyful instead of being spent suffering.

I've thought about that but nah, I'm actually really pissed at being alive, I don't want to celebrate anything related to this shitty thing called life.

 

[chaoschuckler]

I've thought about that but nah, I'm actually really pissed at being alive, I don't want to celebrate anything related to this shitty thing called life.

Starving yourself sounds horrible too. I'm saying this from experience because I went through it myself. It can seriously affect your mental state, and if you survive, it may even make it harder to think clearly or seek other options afterward. I just hope you find peace with whatever path you choose.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Starving yourself sounds horrible too. I'm saying this from experience because I went through it myself. It can seriously affect your mental state, and if you survive, it may even make it harder to think clearly or seek other options afterward. I just hope you find peace with whatever path you choose.

I'm willing to take that risk. For me to make a detailed and elaborate plan on doing something physical like jumping off a bridge or roping it's much more risky. In my country, at least, they can't force feed me in the hospital even if they end up locking me in a mental hospital.

 

[chaoschuckler]

I'm willing to take that risk. For me to make a detailed and elaborate plan on doing something physical like jumping off a bridge or roping it's much more risky. In my country, at least, they can't force feed me in the hospital even if they end up locking me in a mental hospital.

They may not force you, but your instincts will. Survival instincts are incredibly powerful and shouldn't be underestimated. Humans survived through evolution largely because our brains and bodies are wired to keep us alive. Maybe I'm just a coward , I don't know but if you truly believe you're strong enough to overcome those instincts, then that's your choice.

 

[Jrileniwa]

I've thought about that but nah, I'm actually really pissed at being alive, I don't want to celebrate anything related to this shitty thing called life.

I get it. But he meant not necessarily celebrating it but just passing what's left, if you're that committed, doing the things you at least hate the least. It's not celebrating life, it's just doing something for yourself knowing full well that you hate life, but not passing it just mulling over how much you hate it. Unless naturally mulling over it is your form of contentment in a way.
Anyway I get hating life, I don't hate it, but I don't like being alive and I've come to a point where I am fully committed to CTB, but I'm still doing stuff that I can say I like before dying.
And yeah, getting to the end of your story requires work too, after reading around. But that's unfortunately what happens nowadays, especially in a society like ours obsessed with pretending to be moral and caring about other people, when in reality they just put on an act because they need to show they care and that's it.
That's why when people CTB, the average person will gossip about it, but don't care about the actual people. It's just something to talk with their friends about if the case is famous enough.
Which is why we're at the point where options are hard to come by and we can't have something actually official that gives the last moments of people some dignity, independently of whether they're terminally ill or not.

Well, I digressed a little, but if you can do something that you might find doable you can do it while you plan your own time.

 

[Bishop]

I've read that Switzerland is unique amongs the countries that legalized euthanasia. It's the only one that considers mental suffering as a valid reason. I really don't want to do anything physical or chemical

They may not force you, but your instincts will. Survival instincts are incredibly powerful and shouldn't be underestimated. Humans survived through evolution largely because our brains and bodies are wired to keep us alive. Maybe I'm just a coward , I don't know but if you truly believe you're strong enough to overcome those instincts, then that's your choice.

I think I'm in the same boat. Lacking constitution. Or simply a coward. Or just strong survival instincts. Or haven't reached that point of desperation.

 

[chaoschuckler]

I think I'm in the same boat. Lacking constitution. Or simply a coward. Or just strong survival instincts. Or haven't reached that point of desperation.

Hopefully, I'll be able to do it soon. For now, I'm spending my time watching movies, eating food I enjoy, and visiting natural places. I just hope my survival instincts don't take over again this time.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

I get it. But he meant not necessarily celebrating it but just passing what's left, if you're that committed, doing the things you at least hate the least. It's not celebrating life, it's just doing something for yourself knowing full well that you hate life, but not passing it just mulling over how much you hate it. Unless naturally mulling over it is your form of contentment in a way.
Anyway I get hating life, I don't hate it, but I don't like being alive and I've come to a point where I am fully committed to CTB, but I'm still doing stuff that I can say I like before dying.
And yeah, getting to the end of your story requires work too, after reading around. But that's unfortunately what happens nowadays, especially in a society like ours obsessed with pretending to be moral and caring about other people, when in reality they just put on an act because they need to show they care and that's it.
That's why when people CTB, the average person will gossip about it, but don't care about the actual people. It's just something to talk with their friends about if the case is famous enough.
Which is why we're at the point where options are hard to come by and we can't have something actually official that gives the last moments of people some dignity, independently of whether they're terminally ill or not.

Well, I digressed a little, but if you can do something that you might find doable you can do it while you plan your own time.

It may sound too "depressing" or "pessimistic" but I really don't have anything that I hate less about this existence. I hate waking up, I hate taking care of this body, I hate having to go to college or having to get a job, I hate people, I hate nature, I don't like literally anything about this existence. I don't want to do anything. If someone gave me 3k I would spend it on my euthanasia. I respect if people have "last desires", but I personally don't want to have anything to do with existence. I want to be gone and forgotten.

I think I'm in the same boat. Lacking constitution. Or simply a coward. Or just strong survival instincts. Or haven't reached that point of desperation.

I spent 6 years doing my research, and I finally decided it's time to go. I don't consider myself a coward, I consider myself someone who wants to be certain that I won't survive. My survival insticts are on my lowest right now. I would do anything to go right now.

Hopefully, I'll be able to do it soon. For now, I'm spending my time watching movies, eating food I enjoy, and visiting natural places. I just hope my survival instincts don't take over again this time.

Movies, food and natural places are not enough for me anymore.

 

[chaoschuckler]

Movies, food and natural places are not enough for me anymore.

Haha, not for me either, buddy. But movies, nature, animals, and babies are things I can still spend time with without feeling too stressed. I definitely can't rely on them as reasons to keep living, though. I just chose them to make my final moments a little more peaceful. Everyone has their own things they like spending time with , maybe you do too, or maybe you don't, and that's fine.
You mentioned wanting to be certain you won't survive. Starving yourself doesn't really guarantee that. In fact, there are other methods with a much higher chance of fatality. So explore them until u save ur money for euthanasia (:

 

[antinatalismpromort]

Haha, not for me either, buddy. But movies, nature, animals, and babies are things I can still spend time with without feeling too stressed. I definitely can't rely on them as reasons to keep living, though. I just chose them to make my final moments a little more peaceful. Everyone has their own things they like spending time with , maybe you do too, or maybe you don't, and that's fine.
You mentioned wanting to be certain you won't survive. Starving yourself doesn't really guarantee that. In fact, there are other methods with a much higher chance of fatality. So explore them until u save ur money for euthanasia (:

the other ones just seem too complicated and risky. How am I suppose to buy sketchy stuff without people becoming suspicius? like buying CO2 or something like that. What I mean by "risky" is not "lethal", it's actually people finding out I want to self-delete and preventing me.

 

[Bishop]

Hopefully, I'll be able to do it soon. For now, I'm spending my time watching movies, eating food I enjoy, and visiting natural places. I just hope my survival instincts don't take over again this time.

There is no right or wrong time.

Hopefully, I'll be able to do it soon. For now, I'm spending my time watching movies, eating food I enjoy, and visiting natural places. I just hope my survival instincts don't take over again this time.

There is no rush. That option is always there.

 

[antinatalismpromort]

There is no right or wrong time.

There is no rush. That option is always there.

my right time has arrived.

 

[if_i_make_it]

I understand. People will tell you VSED is very difficult to actually accomplish, and it is, especially for an otherwise healthy young person...and I think it's worthwhile to be realistic about that. It is very unlikely you will succeed, either through your own willpower or ending up in the hospital and all your progress reset. It's days and days and days of agony and all that "progress" towards death can be undone in an instant. I completely understand your frustrating and desperation, though. It's only getting harder and harder to voluntarily exit, without any actual improvements in people's quality of life. it fuckin sucks. Just be realistic about the chances of this working out.

 

[Bishop]

my right time has arrived.

May you find peace.