Nembutal self-administered by IV?

[pane]

Given the difficulties involved in drinking Nembutal such as following the anti-emetic regimen, the bitter taste, swallowing the full two or three bottles, the possibility of vomiting even after taking the anti-emetics would it be possible to administer Nembutal by starting an IV on oneself? Afterall, that's how it's properly meant to be given such as when euthanizing animals for example.

Not surprisingly there are vids on Youtube demonstrating how to do this. The major obstacle of course would be learning how to locate a vein and stick the needle in your arm without too much bloodshed. IV bags and tubing with the needed hardware can be bought from Amazon or medical supply websites.

I imagine there are members here with medical training. Could any of you please offer advice on how practical/doable this is and if so even write up a step-by-step how-to guide about intravenously self-administering Nembutal?

 

[Alchemist]

That would be easier, true, if only I weren't deathly afraid of needles and being able to even look when being inyected.

 

[pane]

That would be easier, true, if only I weren't deathly afraid of needles and being able to even look when being inyected.

You'd have to have someone assist you then which legally/ethically could be very troublesome. That's why I'm interested in the self-administered approach.

 

[chrijo]

If I had N, I'd give it to myself intravenously with a peripheral venous catheter via drip infusion.

Next to the bottle of N, you'll need:

It's not easy to place an intravenous access by yourself without any knowledge. A step by step guide is quite difficult, you definitely need experience with this. I did this to myself with a big G17 and it's possible with one hand. But I've inserted hundreds into other people.

 

[pane]

Thank you for the information Chrijo. I know starting an IV line on oneself isn't easy - especially for people with no medical training - but given the well-documented troubles people have with drinking Nembutal I figured going the IV route was at least worth exploring.

I have a further question. Would the Nembutal have to be poured out of the bottles into an empty 500ML or bigger IV bag?

 

[chrijo]

If you ask me, intravenous via drip-system is the best way to go with N.

As long as your heart's still beating, the infusion will continue until the bottle is empty, even if you're unconscious.

Don't worry about vomiting.
Don't worry about nasty taste.
100% N directly into the bloodstream.

There's no better way :-)

 

[pane]

If you ask me, intravenous via drip-system is the best way to go with N.

As long as your heart's still beating, the infusion will continue until the bottle is empty, even if you're unconscious.

Don't worry about vomiting.
Don't worry about nasty taste.
100% N directly into the bloodstream.

There's no better way :-)

Yes, exactly. That's why I'm so interested in the IV idea. It's just learning how to find a vein and stick that big needle into one's arm smoothly, quickly and easily with little bloodshed that's the big obstacle.

Chrijo could you please give the proper technical name for each of the two items you posted pictures of and explain where to buy them? Amazon maybe or a medical supply website?

 

[chrijo]

Chrijo could you please give the proper technical name for each of the two items you posted pictures of and explain where to buy them? Amazon maybe or a medical supply website?

In my country I can buy everything what I need in a pharmacy. If you want to buy it online search for:

1. Peripheral venous catheter (Size: G14-G24) - For training use G22 and for N use G20 or G17
2. IV infusions set with roller clamp
3. IV Catheter Fixation

 

[pane]

In my country I can buy everything what I need in a pharmacy. If you want to buy it online search for:

1. Peripheral venous catheter (Size: G14-G24) - For training use G22 and for N use G20 or G17
2. IV infusions set with roller clamp
3. IV Catheter Fixation

Thank you very much for that.

 

[jay35]

The problem with A's N is that it's too dilute. There's a risk of not getting such a large amount of nasty chemical down by mouth & there's a risk of falling asleep in the middle of IV drip/infusion administration. (To make sure it didn't stop because you bent your arm)
I suspect A feels more comfortable ordering bottles of 6.3g/100mg from the company because this version could be the anesthetic type of N used in farm/pet animal surgeries (for an IV drip) & not raise a red flag?-I don't know-rather than the more concentrated vet versions for animal euthanasia which I think I remember people are able to get in Peru.
We need another reliable powder supplier that can go in 50mls or a more concentrated liquid version. It goes down quick & then you chase it.

 

[pane]

The problem with A's N is that it's too dilute. There's a risk of not getting such a large amount of nasty chemical down by mouth & there's a risk of falling asleep in the middle of IV drip/infusion administration. (To make sure it didn't stop because you bent your arm)
I suspect A feels more comfortable ordering bottles of 6.3g/100mg from the company because this version could be the anesthetic type of N used in farm/pet animal surgeries (for an IV drip) & not raise a red flag?-I don't know-rather than the more concentrated vet versions for animal euthanasia which I think I remember people are able to get in Peru.
We need another reliable powder supplier that can go in 50mls or a more concentrated liquid version. It goes down quick & then you chase it.

Thank you for adding your thoughts. I wasn't aware of these details. Why do you assert that A's Nembutal is too dilute?

Regarding the falling asleep issue here's a quote from Chrijo who has medical experience with starting IVs on people and who posted it yesterday on this thread:

"If you ask me, intravenous via drip-system is the best way to go with N.

As long as your heart's still beating, the infusion will continue until the bottle is empty, even if you're unconscious.

Don't worry about vomiting.
Don't worry about nasty taste.
100% N directly into the bloodstream.

There's no better way :-)"

 

[jay35]

A's N is too dilute because the volume of fluid is too much to drink easily. People need 100 to 200ml depending on their weight but who wants to risk taking too little so most people are going to try to go for the 200ml. The liquid tastes like chemical waste & it has to be drunk fairly quickly
The powder that used to be available could dissolve in 50ml of water which was more like kicking back a shot glass.
It's too dilute for an IV drip/infusion because it has to go in by gravity (there's no IV pump).
Then the person falls asleep before it's all infused. You can't monitor your own Nembutal infusion because it puts you in a coma before it's done.
Gravity IV infusions can become obstructed. It's not rare. Another person needs to be monitoring it to make sure it all goes in.
If it was more concentrated (less fluid) like maybe Dolethal?—-not sure—it could be injected directly into a vein by the person taking it, then the person passes out. Like shooting up heroin for example.

 

[lone3wolf7]

A's N is too dilute because the volume of fluid is too much to drink easily. People need 100 to 200ml depending on their weight but who wants to risk taking too little so most people are going to try to go for the 200ml. The liquid tastes like chemical waste & it has to be drunk fairly quickly
The powder that used to be available could dissolve in 50ml of water which was more like kicking back a shot glass.
It's too dilute for an IV drip/infusion because it has to go in by gravity (there's no IV pump).
Then the person falls asleep before it's all infused. You can't monitor your own Nembutal infusion because it puts you in a coma before it's done.
Gravity IV infusions can become obstructed. It's not rare. Another person needs to be monitoring it to make sure it all goes in.
If it was more concentrated (less fluid) like maybe Dolethal?—-not sure—it could be injected directly into a vein by the person taking it, then the person passes out. Like shooting up heroin for example.

In that case, do you mean that 200 MLS is not enough... I am betting on it to end my life... please dont say it wont end it..

 

[Bilbobaggins]

This is a really hard thing to do. I have been trained to cannulate but wouldn't have a chance at doing it to myself.

 

[pane]

A's N is too dilute because the volume of fluid is too much to drink easily. People need 100 to 200ml depending on their weight but who wants to risk taking too little so most people are going to try to go for the 200ml. The liquid tastes like chemical waste & it has to be drunk fairly quickly
The powder that used to be available could dissolve in 50ml of water which was more like kicking back a shot glass.
It's too dilute for an IV drip/infusion because it has to go in by gravity (there's no IV pump).
Then the person falls asleep before it's all infused. You can't monitor your own Nembutal infusion because it puts you in a coma before it's done.
Gravity IV infusions can become obstructed. It's not rare. Another person needs to be monitoring it to make sure it all goes in.
If it was more concentrated (less fluid) like maybe Dolethal?—-not sure—it could be injected directly into a vein by the person taking it, then the person passes out. Like shooting up heroin for example.

Thank you much for explaining this further. You're saying that because of the particular form of Nembutal supplied by A, there are technical reasons why it can only be effectively consumed by drinking it and that administering it by IV line would require someone else to monitor the process to make sure the full amount of liquid was infused without any problems occurring.

If all this is true it''s disheartening to know that A's form of Nembutal can't be given to oneself by injection or IV line without assistance from someone else. That would make for a much easier, speedier death than following the regimen involved in drinking it.

 

[chrijo]

You don't need assistance. "Gravity" comes in the form of pressure in the veins as long as your heart is still beating, The infusion will continue until your heart stops beating or the bottle is empty. Place the intravenous access in the forearm and not in the crook of the arm - of course.

Diluted or not, 6.3 gr N are 6.3 gr N. If you want to give yourself 2 bottles of N intravenous, buy one of these...

...and replace the NaCl with your 200ml Nembutal.

 

[pane]

You don't need assistance. "Gravity" comes in the form of pressure in the veins as long as your heart is still beating, The infusion will continue until your heart stops beating or the bottle is empty. Place the intravenous access in the forearm and not in the crook of the arm - of course.

Diluted or not, 6.3 gr N are 6.3 gr N. If you want to give yourself 2 bottles of N intravenous, buy one of these...

...and replace the NaCl with your 200ml Nembutal.

Thank you for adding that Chrijo. I don't have any medical training so I can't really say anything regarding the differing opinions between Jay35 and you. But I'm glad to have your input.

 

[Isittimetogonola]

In my country I can buy everything what I need in a pharmacy. If you want to buy it online search for:

1. Peripheral venous catheter (Size: G14-G24) - For training use G22 and for N use G20 or G17
2. IV infusions set with roller clamp
3. IV Catheter Fixation

Also search for self occluding catheter. When you stick it in, you should see a small flash of blood. When the needle is pulled out, the catheter stops the back flow of blood. Less messy and allows for better one handed insertion.

 

[Dazedandconfused32]

You don't need assistance. "Gravity" comes in the form of pressure in the veins as long as your heart is still beating, The infusion will continue until your heart stops beating or the bottle is empty. Place the intravenous access in the forearm and not in the crook of the arm - of course.

Diluted or not, 6.3 gr N are 6.3 gr N. If you want to give yourself 2 bottles of N intravenous, buy one of these...

...and replace the NaCl with your 200ml Nembutal.

May I message you?

 

[Hsor23]

wow i can't believe OP posted this thread . i was literally thinking to ask.

i tried drinking N last year . no anti emetic , no research . managed to get 2 sips and then woke in hospital 3 days later .
it tastes disgusting . pure chemical. i'm pretty certain you only need 100ml, after seeing what it did to me after i literally had 2 small sips.
but IV would be much easier .
i've seen IV pumps for sale for not much . how easy would it be to hook those up ?

 

[★†DaughterOfEve†★]

Someone (I presume is a veterinarian) told me that by taking N intravenously, I would need an anesthesia medication like licodaine mixed in with it to stop me from feeling pain? It's to do with the pH levels in the blood or something. I'd also feel a burning warm sensation by taking it intravenously.

 

[danilion]

If I had N, I'd give it to myself intravenously with a peripheral venous catheter via drip infusion.

Next to the bottle of N, you'll need:

It's not easy to place an intravenous access by yourself without any knowledge. A step by step guide is quite difficult, you definitely need experience with this. I did this to myself with a big G17 and it's possible with one hand. But I've inserted hundreds into other people.

This is a late reply to your comment. I have also inserted IVs and given needles for my career. I am wondering if you know if administering N IV would reduce the chance of vomiting? I am thinking it would. But I wasn't sure.

You don't need assistance. "Gravity" comes in the form of pressure in the veins as long as your heart is still beating, The infusion will continue until your heart stops beating or the bottle is empty. Place the intravenous access in the forearm and not in the crook of the arm - of course.

Diluted or not, 6.3 gr N are 6.3 gr N. If you want to give yourself 2 bottles of N intravenous, buy one of these...

...and replace the NaCl with your 200ml Nembutal.

Again, sorry for the late response to your comment. Wouldn't it make sense that you would need less Nembutal is you infused IV? I am asking because I think I may have ordered one bottle less than what I need for oral administration. I am in health also but I still need to ask questions. Thanks